The AFC Preview EXTRAVAGANZA!

please support me if you want to have a cup of coffee. I hope in the past, without feeling позun the name. It's five o'clock on the west coast, it is the 22nd of August in the year of our Lord 2024 season 15 episode seven six hundred and seventy six times you have been welcome to the clubhouse podcast Joe one stop shop for all things sports entertainment pop culture and pro wrestling We are so happy to have you with this welcome.

My name is Rob Ryan the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and You know every last three weeks to be like all right, we've had a bunch of stuff. Nope now. We got more Because that's what we do, but I am not by myself.

Don't sell out on assignment. He will be back next week But Not only do I have my co-host, but we have a very special guest. So let's just do the split screen thing.

Chabu. Yeah That way for me is my co-host and a man who I don't know what his teacher is because he didn't show it to me in pre-show He is Alex. Let's go in on man.

Oh, you should know exactly which shirt it is since this is our Start to our NFL Preview. It's the I have a competition problem. Ah And then at the bottom of your screen a man who has not been with us since we've been on this platform That's how long it's been since he's been on the show The the host of The 1334 show, which I will always take credit for showing him something about that name that he didn't know He is Steven Zimmerman.

How are your brother? Wait, I have been on one other time One time yeah, yeah, I've been post post studio. I think one time and then on top of it I am pulling the Tom Brady card.

I am retiring when I want to but I'll just do it here and there So I keep telling people I'm retired, but I'll be back for it It's in the day before the deadline and then pull back your paperwork Yeah, and then I'll send you a video of me crying on the beach Okay, so we are doing our AFC preview tonight Alex with my question for you is Would you like to do the other sports first and then come back to it because we do have North America's favorite game show If you'd like feel free all right, so let's talk about MLB news real quick Joey Vato has retired loved the I'm now officially calling it X Twitter because that works on two different levels I can't be the first person that did it, but I thought about it yesterday And I said that's what I'm doing from now on He put up a tweet saying that he got in the cab last night and then at Whatever it was a it was something he wasn't driving and the driver was like Do you play baseball for the team and he I just said nope and he wasn't wrong because he was a retired at that point Let's look at your MLB standings in the AL East always are our second favorite East to look at In this particular report the Toronto Blue Jays are now nine games below five hundred and they're 15 and a half back in the division This I we say it every week on this show this division is just fun to watch Especially when you don't have a team in the race here They're currently five games back on Tampa Bay Tampa Bay now three and a half back on Boston Boston six packs on Baltimore And Steven's beloved Yankees now with a two-game win streak and a one-game lead in the division as we Self no no has nothing to do with Aaron judge I actually have to think the meds the grimace meds for being Baltimore twice in a row Okay, because now I can rest a little easier and I'm watching history repeated so if as Aaron judge It is 48 today. So I'm good A.L. Central We all know who's in last place.

We'll talk about it here in a minutes currently Detroit is a is 11 and a half back in the division They're five year four games below 500. They are nine and a half back a Minnesota Minnesota and Kansas City now tied and with Cleveland losing two in a row They're both two games back in the ALS in the in the perverbial toilet currently are No, what are they moving? It's not law that's moving Oh, it's the A's that's right.

It's Oakland. They're there. They're saying that the angels are the next ones up because after Oakland or after the athletics move They have the oldest stadium in baseball that has not been renovated The Mayor McKeys to revive them.

They are a half game back on Question mark That you just provide the mits They are currently four games back on the Rangers the Rangers now five back on Seattle who is five back on Houston Houston Seattle has lost three in a row In an absolutely west I'm doing things a little bit differently this week. So you have to I also get I'm trying to get the game up and run in over here and it's not Watch the game, please Watch that on preseason football. Don't be that guy.

I'm experimenting with new tech in the studio and the preseason's the perfect way to do it This is the first time I've experienced with any tech in like months So he's like no, I want to put the game on right In the NLS the Colorado Rockies. They are currently 34 games under 500 And they are well on their way to the century mark. They're 29 games back in their division They are 18 in the 17 on the half back of San Francisco the Giants now seven and a half back of the Padres who are tied with Arizona They are both four back on the Dodgers the Dodgers currently on a four game heater the NL Central Don's beloved pirates Have officially found the seller They are Eight games below 500 they could still Finish with a winning record, but they're 13 and a half back in the division They're two and a half back on the reds the reds now a half game back on the cubs the cubs a half game back on St.

Louis But none of that matters because they're because St. Louis is still 10 back on Millawoke In the only division that matters the NL East Miami continues to stink up the joint they are currently 35 games below 500 And they are currently 28 and a half back They are a 11 and a half back of the natinals the natinals now Six and a half back of the meds who are in the middle of the pack, but the meds are a game and a half back on Atlanta Atlanta now seven games back on Philly Now gentlemen, it is time for North America's favorite game show What is the run with a wrench for For the Chicago white sauce Part 74 Alex go I can see I was actually going to ask to defer to Steven who know I was referring to you paying attention to this We have a Maddie sear and we have somebody on YouTube this is he here is the reason I wanted Yeah But I wanted to defer to Steven just to see what a Possibly cold take on what you think this number is oh I don't have any Any words On the Chicago one 114 Okay, so I We'll give roughly the same guess I had last week because I don't know It felt like there weren't a lot of games in the last week for some reason maybe rainouts or something so I'm gonna say Minus 252 Steven do you want to adjust your pick? Yeah, I said minus one 14.

No, I said you want to adjust it Yeah, all right, do you want me to add another hundred we could do that? I was just trying to not be Completely rude to a suffering franchise a long suffering franchise. Yes, yeah So you want to say are you saying two 14 now?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do it We also wants to shut up pouring takes checking in from YouTube bunch of cowboy hos The Chicago white socks current Our 31 and 97 Alex we could have the century mark within the next week We said they'd get there before What depends on I have looked at the schedule see if we have outdoor have eyes Let me look now They are currently 42 and a half games back in the division They are 18 and 44 at home. They're 13 and 53 on the road 3 and 7 in their last 10 Now to give you perspective But only other team and a triple negative in the American League is law at minus one 12 Great, aren't be banned from the 90s In the nationally you've got Miami at minus 174 and Colorado has now back Kind of in the contention at minus 200 Alex if you had guessed your guess last week you would have been winner winner chicken dinner I don't even remember what my guess was I thought it was 250 you said 252 and that was last week's number Oh, okay Currently the Chicago white socks have a run differential of minus 259 They're gonna hit 300 I'm telling you That that might be That might be literally attached to the trunk. It's so not out on a burying on a limb there This is baseball I will say that if they hit that number.

I'm sharing for them to lose the rest of the year I mean they only need three more games hit the center mark and they'll be the first to do it and if you look around I'm trying to find out who else is with it has a chance at it I mean Miami's 19 away As is Colorado See even we're getting some weird I think because we got some weird noise coming off you now What oh Just a little static key feedback. There we go. It's going out.

All right. Good. Might be me.

Yeah, it's me um But yeah That's the clothes the only other teams that could get there are Miami and Colorado But they're 19 games out when they're still 10 ahead of Chicago the south side Wow Somebody has to all right. Let's get into our NFL talk first of all hard knocks of the Chicago bears episode three aired this week Shout out to their punter. I still think you use crocodile punter because I thought that was hilarious But I like this kid Like I was very impressed the skills Holy cow the skills on this kid But the thing I like better about that is highlighting the international programs to grow the game Where pro kick Australia he was just a construction worker who had played Aussie rules football and the fact that the NFL or Tangentially other groups are doing these kind of programs to find this kind of talent Hey here you haven't seen a while Anthony Richardson on the field What I agree with you.

I think I love his story. I want to hear more about him I did like the whole Caleb Williams going you know I'm not gonna need you much this year He's like that's immediately being told that's right in the first quarter home me And then it was just like hey, I'm okay with that and if I'm sitting down the whole season you're gonna hurt my feelings of Tyson Bayesian and his dad Oh Kids got it arm Yeah, he's fine his dad reminds me of country levard ball Yeah, that's and that's not a bad relation except for the fact that I don't Fresh the ranch Never know And I did like the Caleb Williams practices is harder the practice is harder than games because isn't that what you want? Yeah, that's the mentality you want Well, I feel like those the correct way is to throw that to Steven He's the one that's had more football practice and game experience than us combined.

You're not wrong So yeah, I just I just know he says that now, but then when he has a guy that's Actually trying to put food on the table for his family because he has a contract coming up and he's coming off the edge and he hits him at full speed It's not some Kid trying to make the team that my wiff you because he won't make it in week one Yeah, I'd be a little more afraid. I wouldn't I wouldn't say all those comments that quick That's that USC thing I just saw a stat that showed Anthony Richard then had six starts in high school and 13 in college And it took him like six weeks to throw one touchdown at Florida It took him six weeks to throw one touchdown like he's not a good quarterback I don't get I never got it he he's Tim Tvo but with a better running game I'm not even so certain because he brittle he went out after one year Tim Tvo at least ran people to get in that because we got a note on it Let's go into the doors last week. I'm waiting for my screen to refresh here Last week Philadelphia beats New England by a point As does Baltimore to Atlanta Chicago all over Cincinnati as we saw in those highlights 27 to three Houston Houston Houston beats the Giants by 18 Detroit over Kansas City by a point But like we said last week about Jacksonville Don't pointy stock in that Minnesota beats Cleveland by two touchdowns and You know one being a two point conversion In the anapolis by eight over Arizona Tennessee beats Seattle by a point Miami beats the commanders by a touchdown Buffalo nine three over the stillers The Rams 13 nine over the charges for the Battle of Los Angeles great movie underrated New York beats Cara the the New York Jets beat Carolina by a field goal Tampa Bay gets to beat by 13 to Jacksonville Cowboys get a win over the Raiders Denver beats up on Green Bay and San Francisco beats New Orleans by six We are still currently Scoreless in the game that is on Amazon prime video whatever they're calling it this week We're five minutes in scoreless Indianapolis and Cincinnati coming up in here just a few minutes on NFL network You will either be watching Chicago at Kansas City or Jacksonville at Atlanta Tomorrow night Miami and Tampa Bay in Raymond James Stadium San Francisco runs down the road to peace to Las Vegas to play the raid as Carolina at Buffalo Pittsburgh will be at Detroit something's got to give Baltimore will be at Green Bay on Saturday as will Pittsburgh Pittsburgh and Carolina games are both Saturday.

Everything all of this is at noon central Minnesota at Philly Rams at Texans Chargers at Calboys at three central Giants Jets for the Battle of New York in New Jersey at 630 Central your night game is Cleveland at Seattle Oh the button doesn't work Tennessee will go to New Orleans The button doesn't work I've been right we can't work We heard that I'm so sorry but I've made me I don't know what the heck is going on right now Sunday at one Central Tennessee will be at New Orleans 330 Central Arizona at Denver and we have Sunday night football this week Gentlemen as New England goes to the Washington football club All right We now go live to Rockwell Texas because this week and next week we are featuring our AFC and NFC Preview accelerances As Alex will walk us through it if we have time after that we've got stuff on the run sheet But this is what we dedicate to this because foot life is about to begin very shortly we are two weeks away And I really love the fact that we're splitting it up this way because this week we can get some auto win and next week we can get a frozen But and it happens even with us who's also an AFC guy like myself that helps as well But just gonna go with a quick why should we listen to these guys for 2023 we want to acknowledge anything we get right that is a good call anything that we got wildly wrong I got a few of those but to give you an idea with our predictions last year we had let's see six eight 17 of 32 team records predicted Perfectly if you look at being one off for those wins we got another 23 now granted that comes up over But that's because we had some that were in common and if you even want to get that even crazier If you look at our AFC South from left None of us got much of anything right outside of Jacksonville's record and that's about it But we do have some different highlights figure we'll focus more on the fantasy that's what people want to look at Josh Allen was the number two against pressure again. So we got that right with buffalo Devon Hn even though I think I missed pronounce this name that at least three times I think I just meant for who you ask. Did you see the Devon Hn versus Reggie Bush stack though from last year He had more 40 point or 40 yard runs in one season than it did for like I want to Addendum that though real quick Reggie Bush we knew as an electric player getting long runs so the The parometer we're using is 40 plus yard runs Devon Hn in 11 games because started this season hurt I heard a little bit during the middle of the year in 11 games had as many 40 plus yard runs as Reggie Bush had in 11 years I want to I want to take a big feather in my cap on that call Patriots being terrible we had My arguably one of my worst calls was saying that I can't believe every team in the AFC North has a Expected wind total of a winning record.

It's never happened. It's never going to happen. Well guess what every team in the AFC North had a winning record including the Steelers Do you think that's why they're the entire divisions on hard knocks?

I think that might be part of it but what I really think it is is that there's been enough turnover to be interesting There's been select turnover and story lines in every one of those teams plus Anybody disagree with me that that is the toughest division in football and has been for a while You're not gonna by the way just touch down indie I think I'm excited for this hard knocks. I've been saying it for weeks ever since we discovered it But it does break the one rule that hard knocks has had for years and you weren't supposed to be at least one of those There's a playoff team and you weren't supposed to be a playoff team the year before So, but I'm I'm ready But Speed running the AFC North Jamar Chase being the number one wide receiver overall Joe Burrow's injury kind of ruined that but we're gonna have a fun note on him in a bit when we get the 2024 I Said that Lamar Jackson was going to set passing bets across the board with Todd Monk and his yards and completed completion percentages were all Massively up however his TDs and other various metrics were down But that's also because he's had a couple of really electric seasons with passing So jumping into the AFC South I'm going to be on this hill for at least one more year with Trevor Lawrence should be better and he really Really wasn't last year in fact. He was so middle of the pack.

He was 17th at a 32 starting cubies Anthony Richardson. I was very high on and he had four rushing TDs in three games Except for the fact that he had to leave two of those four games for injury as Steven said gonna give him credit on that one riddle Interestingly enough none of us had remotely anything correct about the Titans or excuse me the Texans Saying Demico Ryan's is going to be building something but it's not going to be in one year well CJ Shroud proved that wrong Uh The home's having his worst stats of his career. He's been on the decline for three seasons running.

It's not really a big poll In the general rule gosh Jacobs is going to suck accurate, but That tends to be normal with every holdout. So put a pin in that we're going to have a few of those when we get to 2024 Oh Russell Wilson Did you know he led the league in fourth quarter touchdowns last year? Yes, was it because it most of it was garbage time and that defense had their third string and at that point?

Well, no, that's what I switch of games where they were probably he was probably the best quarterback in the NFL He didn't have about a month in there where they had a nice long home stretch and they were left with a bench But if that gives you a good idea Russell Wilson had 11 number two was Brock Perti at 10 and then it was a bit of a drop off from there Okay, yeah, I'm gonna take my lumps when I when I'm gonna take my lumps I said Tony Pollard was going to be great. He was so bad. He's not even on the team Hey, I'm gonna own when I'm wrong.

I'm gonna own when I'm wrong if I'm gonna get credit when I'm right What we do on the show now? I'm I'm Rob, I'm gonna give you just a little bit of a lump here You did say the words the NFC North is going to be bad and there's no way a wild card comes out of this division Compare that with saying somebody on the show saying green base offense is going to surprise and impress They were a wild card team and destroyed Dallas, so I think it's worth that win Not fair. That's not hard in the first round of the playoffs though.

I'm not saying it's hard, but I'm saying that they go in there The little pop a shot game at The pop a shot at Chuck E. Cheese is still full size for somebody of my height. I need you to respect that Sorry I was I was very adamant that Mike Evans was going to keep his streak alive a thousand yard games and I said it wasn't even going to be close He broke a thousand by week 12, so better there I was really high on the Saints and so was done As soon as Ryan Ramcheck went out hurt Derek Car was running for his life and the rest of that team was bad and maybe Dennis Allen's just not a good coach So that's one that's one I was right on You were also a fairly high interestingly enough both you and Don were close.

I was shocked because I thought the Saints were terrible But they had a winning record in 2023 and I don't know how that happened You picked one game too low don picked one game too high and I was way too high But the other one that same scope uh McAfrey Being the first nineer in um teen years to rush over a thousand yards yet almost 1500 and that's not even counting the receiving Getting him to the Madden cover can't wait for this cursed ticket again But the last one that we had that was a big one was Kyler Murray and Everybody's saying like oh he's healed up he was having time and saying that he's not going to be healthy at any point in 2023 He only played eight games was never quite right but was decent for fantasy just because he runs like a toddler who just stole a cookie But at that same time that's all you really need from a QB that runs for fantasy Which is why Anthony Richardson's going to be a very popular pick as long as he's healthy Big asterisk Steven go ahead and say it What's the asterisk? Oh, I'm sorry my dog wanted to come in and try to interrupt when healthy Who who and yeah, yeah, I'm sorry no I just he was I was out on him when he was playing at Florida because it took him six weeks to throw a touchdown and they lost every game like He physically looked great but he never did anything He you know who reminded me of a guy who couldn't throw but like Malik Malik a willister whatever whoever was on Tennessee who's this will do nothing Malik will us yeah out of liberty same guy Same exact got no and also all we're talking about it fanatics hear me No hear me fanatics Don't show me pictures of a Florida belt and not sell said belt Florida is not on the roster right now. I never saw pictures of the belt There's a picture of one from that's from behind and you can see it says gators diagonally and it's blue and orange But you can't find it on the website so Well, I didn't want to be this guy, but I Yeah, haven't had a winning season in three years.

I know you know as the hurricanes and the hurricanes got like two of them And they carbon up in them all It's them look different like they did for baseball Let's be honest. That's kind of what it's going to be at this point We even said that there's going to be like three different belts for everything at most and I think what they've realized is that the variations The rope people all so everything's going to be about the same Yeah, now there's a Florida one there is a Florida one. Do they finally get because the initial lineup did not have it?

I think what they did was all the all the ones that they could sell based off like celebrities or whatever That were within the company, but yeah Florida's next to Ohio State and right above Florida state in Alabama on Fanatics above Florida state where we should be Yeah, I don't think you can see it. It's there. I like it.

Yeah, I like the blue strip not for 550 You're not wrong. No, I Seattle New York Rangers one I wanted and I was like yeah, I never mind gentlemen. Are you ready for the new season?

Been ready since we started the show, sir. All right, so same last year But I'm going to go alphabetically through the divisions and in order of finish from 2023 Okay, so we're starting with the east we are starting with the A of C east. So in order of finish It will be buffalo Miami New York and then New England so if you want to get any Schedules pulled up and ready to go I'm ready with buffalo All right, you ready ready for me to blow your wheels off always All of the overunders on the clubhouse podcast are brought to you by bet mgm the king of sports books You're free at it's not for you well talk So with buffalo Would you prefer to have the same question as last year Stephen this will be a little bit new for you.

Do you want the wind total to pick over under or to work off of? Or do you want the team note first? Always been out finished with the over under Good with that rub I agree All right, buffalo like you giving the depth and then we do the analysis.

I dig that I like because it's a it brings everybody else into the Discussion as well. I totally dig it. It's the opposite of what we did last year.

That's fine Okay, not the same way ever back to back here Buffalo has the second most vacated targets in the NFL at 317 most of those actually being Stefan Diggs now in Houston and Gabe Davis who is in Jacksonville for reasons So In those circumstances what you tend to see in a lot of vacated targets is those tend to fall to the tight end Buffalo drafted Dalton concave last year and he was awesome even though he had to overcome Dawson Knox usually by injury but I feel like he's going to be a de facto super sized slot for them So he is going to get a lot of that look but the other part you're going to have is James Cook Who struggled for the first roughly half of last season until they made an O.C. change to Joe Brady Now they heavily focused on the run. It improved.

It helped with the line play. It also brought Josh Allen's Interceptions down so I'm expecting a lot from James Cook and for anybody that's saying will they drafted Keon Coleman look I love Keon Coleman He's a funny guy. I want the best for him but he is a raw raw player He is not going to light it up.

There may force feed him a little bit this year But he will not be a one to one replacement for stuff on digs with that Any team that has Josh Allen has a chance so I'm going to expect him to still be Good not as great as they had been because Stefan Diggs was an all-world talent he might be a little bit cooked Rob did you change your camera for a reason yeah good this that it did that thing where my camera just blanks out on me And that's how I have to reset it. I could hear everything you just couldn't see me so in that same boat with those Hit bits of information was there anything you were curious about with the bills changing year to year or anything that you were thinking about I they don't have the buy until week 12 That is a Rough go now if you go on a playoff run That's not necessarily a bad thing because you're a little fresher than some other teams will be But to have the buy that late in the regular season if I am a bills fan and my company has naming rights to the stadium and it was not passed through me let's be clear on this I would be concerned on that front Now granted I still think the bills are going to do very well this year But I think there's going to be so they've got let's see here In in that first 11 weeks they've got two prime time games Against Miami on a Thursday night and then they've got Monday night football at the jets Which I like to see who scheduled those Well at least a second one but those are both divisional games now after that they come off the buy week to Sunday night football Which is also not a bad deal there and then they don't have another prime time game the rest of the season I Think that that's just man. It's a long way to go before you get the buy I actually think week 12 with the new schedule is pretty Solid for contenders because it gets it late enough in the year that they can heal up without having the long stretch I think it's far superior than the early buy which we see with certain other teams even within this division By the way Russ checked anyone say what's up Steven Yep, it's up Russ All right, so what are we looking at for an over under here sir?

The total wins set by fed in GM the king of sportsbook is 10 and a half So gentlemen, I want you to tell me over under and what your number of wins expected is Steven you are our guest. I will defer to you I mean to be honest with all the turmoil within the coaching like the coaching staff there Erratic play with a questionable number one receiver I still got them third in the ASEE and I got them going 10 and 10 and 7 Just miss in the wall car Rob like I absolutely agree Steven looking at the schedule I think they've got 10 wins in them and that will put me at the under I Really hate that this happened about the first go because we all have the exact same situation Yeah, same amount of wins without discussing it and we all have them third in the division So Steven as the man wearing the chaining crowder if you want to make the call we are on to Miami Okay, so this is just me. I can't stand Mike McNanyol I feel like a little too cutesy.

Have you seen the latest meme that said in tune like the campaign Yeah, you went from the best by manager to a self self order truck lord Yeah, no, I'm not a fan, but he's he's running a decent offense until he gets too cutesy with it I trust the offense enough. I trust the defense even more and I know that's saying something this year with a new defense A coordinator losing Christian Wilkins everything like that I really trust the defense more than the offense Because what Mike McNanyol has to realize you can't One in the red zone try to force over the shoulder fades to tie Riku's one of the shortest players in the NFL when you have like John who's Smith now on the team and then where he most are I'm sorry he should be maybe fourth on the depth chart And he was a touchdown gypsy because of everything everyone else did in between the 20s I'm not a fan like So Reem mustard had 19 touchdowns in his career before last year. He had 18 rushing touchdowns last year 11 of which came from inside the five which actually backs up what's even just said That's what I'm saying like I paid attention to it like I think Reem mustard.

He's getting up there an age He's not Devon the chance. I trust Chris. I trust Chris Brooks who's He's a guy.

I think who should be the number two run aback and then you got Right I like David right a lot Yeah, he's gonna be good in a year to let don't blow him out in the first couple years, but like he's gonna be great But I'd like those three guys more than Reem mustard To a I like this new version of Tua everything like that. I'm I'm looking forward to the year But again, we got to see it's all Mike McDaniels because he can't abandon the run like when they're Downed by three and tries to throw everything like it just doesn't work We have a good working headline for a gentleman the chiefs and Creed Humphrey of a read four years 72 million he's now the highest place in our in a league did didn't Chris home freeze like Mary what's the funny Creed that's the card action Oh The NBA And he said or two he was a forward Okay, he forward them Thanks for that the real man By the end since today you just gotta pick it I mean yeah, yeah, so the interesting thing about you were talking about McDaniel talking or going Jalen Waddle was never healthy last year, but he has been great when he has been healthy even with Tyreek on the field But the big note that I have for that receiving side in the first 12 weeks last year Tyreek Hill It clips a hundred yards eight out of those twelve times The big note there is he got injured in the game after that and never went over a hundred yards after So circling back to our beloved diminutive my favorite dolphin player because I can talk to him I die without looking up to Von HM he averaged a rush of 40 plus yards like we talked about per game last these Now the other part that you have is that Denver game that we all very much enjoyed watching Where he just went absolutely nuts and had 56% of his fantasy points for the season in that game alone then again He had it with two other games If you take out those three games he never had a game over 15 touches, but those three games where he did have 15 Was absolutely nuts. He has bolted up this season.

I am loving to Von HM's potential He just needs to stay healthy. That is one thing I'll call like the night of draft The draft night when they got him. I looked at my fiance.

I was like that's go be our guy and no one saw anything at texting him. I just said trust me he goes into camp whatever so she does her dynasty draft. She does everything.

I said just get him Whatever and everyone Constantly will bulk up these trades to try to trade for him in fancy. I was like yeah, I don't care about fancy I'm just talking about the quality of players because he has vision he's really good I'm double checking something because he just threw me off a little bit I could have sworn he went. Who am I thinking?

Oh, I am thinking of a different player Because when you said A and M I was like wait a minute. Wasn't he But you know, I didn't know because he and Charbon A went close in the draft and I was thinking of UCLA But at nine and a half wins. Where do you got him Steven?

I got them 11 and six They lose the division by half a game and make the wild card Rob. I'm also on the over I think having the buy in week six benefits Miami because they've got a a pretty good Before the buy schedule that will help them build some things up gets a momentum I am a little intrigued at the second of the last game of the year is prime time against Cleveland That's a little weird for me But I believe this team will hit the over I Would debate whether they win the division, but I think will probably know that With about 90% assured even for Halloween I just don't know I just don't like that. I'm still waiting for the win total 12 12 who So It's funny that you mentioned the early By week.

I actually have them only winning ten games because I think the early by week is going to be wildly detrimental to this team Because you're going to have a long stretch with guys that have injury history and if we're being honest It wasn't the cold weather as much that beat the dolphins last year despite the narrative that people love It was the fact that they dealt with so many injuries Now getting reed rushes the week before the game exactly They were dupleted with a capital D so as if they can stay healthy They're going to blow that number out of the water and rob's going to be the closest Well, and looking at that that stretch after the buy week and I'm going to be honest with you from October 20th to January 5th There are only three games that concern I I am far more concerned with that end of the year stretch based on certain trap aspects to it But that's why I have them barely hitting the over with ten wins But I do have them with a tiebreaker over Buffalo for second in the division and Steven win was the last time we didn't play New England in December Because they've got the jets twice in December, but we don't we the last game we have versus New England is the week of Thanksgiving Uh Two seasons ago, I think it was two seasons ago or last season they didn't have New England in December That for at Gillette in December The game we always tended to well because it's for some reason we can beat them on the road when it's snowing Well, even like last year they did send a send a night football like weeks five or week four Against the Patriots like real early on in Gillette, so there's a Chill of that week and then the why this is and it's the lack of Thomas Edward Brady New England's going to be garbage. We're gonna get there The dolphins are going to be in it even if they're not in first or Contented they're going to be in contention for a wild card spot at worst and New England's not so they don't care about that game That's why it's not gonna be showing up anywhere of reason don't be surprised if it's and I cannot remember this I'm literally spitballing if it's going to be like New England versus 10 is C at the end of the year because it's a throw away Well, I'm going to predict that that game against Cleveland's gonna get flexed Now before we get to New England's dumpster fire we have the jets which I am Still shocked at how good the jets were despite having ostensibly No quarterback play at any point during the season and they still won seven games go figure So the other interesting note you have with that I've been Banged the drum for Garrett Wilson for two seasons especially with somebody like Rogers coming in who knows how to utilize down Garrett Wilson since he came into the league has been third in the NFL and targets So the dude knows how to get open and draw the target However, he has never had anything above a 28th ranked quarterback Actually throw them a pass now to give you that scope Rogers never targeted him in his four drop backs last year So this should be interesting even though I think this team will struggle on offense more than some people expect because Rogers and Steven you might be able to better speak to this Rogers has always been a back foot plant and like risked thrower versus a full body thrower and with his Achilles having to be repaired that could hurt him a lot He's not gonna be as mobile but it's also going to affect how he throws potential I just think he's gonna do a Like widen based dump your feet like he's gonna get it out faster than the ever does It's not gonna be the typical let me pure wet around and figure it out like yeah He's gonna try to he's gonna be like a Brady to some of where it's just quick like let's get it out like Tony Romo back in the day like just put the feet down Throw it just get out don't hit me the west coast flick basically. Yeah, just just fling it But interestingly enough because for him it's always been wrist and footwork That makes me more concerned with his Achilles injury than somebody.

We're gonna talk about next week like Kirk cousins who has been more of a full body torque thrower But I mentioned the Garrett Wilson aspect in that same scope He has at least 83 catches and over a thousand yards in his first two seasons without that I think that is his lore For this season I'm expecting over 90 I'm expecting him to be over 1200 and I'm expecting him to at least have eight touchdowns now I know that those are big numbers for a jets receiver, but this is a different situation Look, I'm just gonna say this as a dolphin fan F the jets were good Let's figure it out But the the biggest change for the jets that has me really liking their chances this year It wasn't just Rogers getting blasted Or are going down for four plays in they knew their line was a problem Pro football focus has them as a top five offensive line after acquiring three starters one by draft One by signing one by trade Including bringing back Morgan Moses who was an anchor for them for years as well as bringing in tyron Smith if he can stay healthy That's a heck of a tackle bookend for them So nine and a half Where do you got the jets under it five? I'm sorry, did you say five I've heard me you're I'm not I'm not playing with this last I told you I wasn't I wasn't following for the hard knocks rope a dope and I would right and this team does not look to me Like I'm watching them and I'm like it's the jets Five and I'm standing on it. I'm standing on business as the kids like to say Jets will jet and I can't believe I'm saying this but this is also me when I say something I'm usually wrong on this point They're gonna win the division by half a game a levited six just like the dolphins, but they win the first meeting that's them I actually have the jets winning the division as well, but clearly at 12 wins so I I Was not mentally prepared for five But let's uh moving on There is literally nothing to talk about about the Patriots.

I don't see what other people are seeing in Drake three That's it three But for those that are paying attention The two notes I have I said were Mondry Stevenson was gonna be a value He's gonna be a value again because he's the only part of the offense But he's gonna see double-digit people in the box. They're gonna dare people to throw it while leaving a receiver open Now the other part about that is new offensive coordinator Alex van Pelt Was 29th in passing all four years he was with the Browns And now he doesn't really have an option because there is no passing until Drake may bruise me wrong So four and a half I actually agree with Steven at three wins It's exactly what I have as well How about Europe they've got a deep bias well the only Prime time game they have all year Is week three on Thursday night Almost every other game outside of international is a new central start That's how little faith the league has in this team. I'm going to Who I like that all right?

We talked about them at hard knocks because it's gonna be the in season for the AFC North Let's do it one of my favorite predictions the last year was a Baltimore had their wins and just about everything exactly right from a team aspect I'm not as much on the Derek Henry bandwagon with the acquisition But Derek Henry is an anomaly and he's gonna run until he just can't so the fun we know what's I have Derek Henry has averaged 1353 rushing yards and 12 and a half TDs over the last two years the titans were bottom three in yards before contact They had a negative Expectation on running plays which means he was getting hit in the backfield every time if you look at Ravens Rock north or south I thought I said north The Titans no you don't he's on the Ravens. Okay. You started mentioned 10 is seeing in my brain fry Because they are in Henry yeah, that's where my brain got screwed.

Okay. Yeah So to circle back Derek Henry really good on a really bad titans team However if you look at the Ravens running backs just last year they had almost 17 hundred rushing yards among the group and 20 TDs Even when not getting great line play the Ravens running backs have averaged 4.8 yards per carry with Lamar Jackson because they have to respect that run This will be the first year that the Ravens have a leading rusher not named Lamar Jackson in five years At a win total of 10 and a half Steven where you got him nine nine wins under Who Rob Looking at the Ravens. I'm very interested in this division too because Starting the first week of October All four teams have their buy within five weeks So in my opinion I don't know that there's an advantage to any of them in that particular or the latest of them being Baltimore who gets the buy the week of December eight I'm looking at the schedule now It's Baltimore which There are another one that I just don't buy the rope a dope I don't know what it is about the Ravens I they're not a team that I fear they're not a team that I look at and go oh God here they come like that like I did let's call it in the early odds Let's see here Hmm I think they've got five in them Me actually and I'll go seven I'm feeling saucy.

I just don't see them finishing about five hundred. I don't know why I I don't see that bad but I got him at nine So after going through seeing where the travel schedules work out along with the strength of schedule Being in the AFC North where every other team has a question mark I have them winning 14 Now you double up rounds yeah, Cleveland Browns Here's an interesting little tidbit a Mari Cooper is still considered a very good receiver he had 1250 receiving yards last year which was a career high he had He He had five touchdowns All year despite having that many yards if you take away his week 16 He doesn't break a thousand yards and he only has three touchdowns And here's the fun fact All of his best games were with Joe Flacco who you're probably gonna be seeing playing for the cults here in about five to ten minutes but All of that says there's going to be no passing game. I like David and Joku I like his ability but you have to be able to get him the ball and I've seen nothing from Deshawn Watson since his return That tells me he's going to be competent in Cleveland so As much as everybody is liking what happened with the Browns I think that spoke more to Joe Flacco always a leader and being able to just do the job As well as them having the number one defense in the NFL all of last year So with a win total at eight and a half.

I'm gonna tell you flat out. I got him under it seven Steed him I got him at eleven wins Second in the division because Deshawn Watson He can't just come off a couch and play a full season clearly after sitting with all the stuff for what two years So all right and then the defense is good everything you're saying was right But they're now another year together that defense everything like that. I got him going eleven and six Rob flip it for me six and eleven six.

I just It's And how do the elf is a curse? It's just like they don't have the toughest schedule on the planet, but they're also not good So Moving from Cleveland to Pittsburgh because rivalries and health things work This one. I'm not gonna bury the lead the win expectation on bedmgm is eight and a half for the Steelers Which I feel like is what they have said it at for the last seven years just saying Tomlin not Tomlin not Tomlin as far as that goes.

I mentioned Russell Wilson leading the league in fourth quarter TDs But the other interesting note about that In the last two years in Denver. He was sack to more times Then any two years combined even his bad year in Seattle any two years combined. He was sacked more in the last two years for Denver And as Stephen mentioned earlier he didn't play all the games So you combine that with the fact that I think they'd be better off just trying to find out what they can get out of just in fields That's just my personal opinion, but Pittsburgh has By far the most difficult schedule In the NFL Outside of the Patriots and the Browns being close to him now.

I want to go ahead and show you this because Coming off of sharp analysis for football war and sharps people are some of the most in depth Reviewing now the way to look at this is up to the left is the easiest schedule down to the right is the most difficult You'll notice Steelers Patriots Browns and then there is a jump up to the rest of the teams that are in a subtle curve It's going to be a rough year for the Steelers And while I get that back up so I can go ahead and track it rob at eight and a half Where do you have the Steelers? I'm gonna take the under its seven Because of their difficulty they're they've got I mean they've got a tough stretch out of the gate. I I mean at it land at Denver home against the chargers at indie home against Dallas The only one that I could see them like they're gonna win that game Probably Denver But I'm not saying It is Indianapolis, but I want to go ahead and just go ahead and say I like I said with the hard stretch I have him at six wins for the year Which is interesting because Steven mentioned earlier, which is why I wanted to give him the the hammer here He said he had the Steelers winning the division, but I don't know if he was serious They're gonna win 12 games whoa that defense is stout String the schedule nothing every time someone has a string the schedule whatever the team with the easiest always ends up losing their division Or and they could be a great team like I don't buy any of that Russell Wilson like we said was Probably one of the best three quarterbacks statistically last year and he's on the team with a coach that's competent in a winner Cool you got a good viable backup now too at least we think and then you got all these the only thing They're missing is a real number one receiver There's no way they don't think it's the number one He's a good number two somewhere.

He's like CD lamb. You're not a real number one. You're a number two somewhere So I don't even just fold this goes.

I hate the Steelers. I hate the Steelers But I got the win the division the 12 wins you just you I don't you can't write it off I don't like the schedule leaving thing and the getting the first like five or six games y'all right Rally it off like they're better than all of those teams other than maybe Dallas and I don't like Dallas either That that's why we loved Steven's analysis here. He knows football But if we got around it out we got the Cincinnati Bengals who literally did not have their starting QB healthy at any point last year and we got you know Joe Burrow the Cincinnati nightmare coming in with the new blonde hair but He Higgins is the highlight I want to put on this because Jamar Chase is still dealing with the Holdout Ocho Cinco thinks that it without a deal.

He's not even gonna show up I don't know how that's gonna work. So I can't speak to it But T Higgins was wide receiver 40 last year wildly below where he was drafted in fantasy, but he only had nine full games and only five of those games were with Burrow Who was still hurt at that point so his statistics should have been bad same with Jamar Chase He had a down year but nobody was healthy Now in the games that they have played together, and I mean Higgins and Burrow threw out his career He's a top 12 receiver in targets yards and touchdowns and that was with a healthy Tyler Boyd who is now on the Tennessee Titans Circling back still talking about the Bengals, but Tyler Boyd is at a town the only thing you have competing with T Higgins as the number two If not the number one if Chase actually sits out is a rookie and germane burden Now you can argue other things, but the other crazy fact you have about this in his entire career This is the first season Joe Burrow is going into actually healthy I am excited to see where Cincinnati goes because They don't have Joe mix and they traded him to Houston so their run game is Zach Moss and Chase Brown So uh good luck with that. I'm seeing a lot of throwing the rock Now I'm still stunned that you had 12 wins for the Steelers, but I appreciate and cannot fault any of your analysis Steve with the Bengals at 10 and a half wins on bed MGM.

Where do you have them? Right at 10 right at 10. So there's the vision under Yep, how about you rub?

Looking at the schedule Normally I wouldn't circle a game versus Dallas But Dallas in December if there a team that's backed into a corner, they're not a team. I want to play in December But I'm still gonna go under even with Steven said I'm going down to eight I mean eventually you we got to put the the injury prone thing on Joe Burrow too. He can't stay healthy Hold season.

I mean I'm gonna have to then he's just gonna ask everybody what they want to talk about so Hmm So interestingly enough, I have Cincinnati as the leading wild card with 12 wins Now the only reason they don't have the division is because I had that massive number on the rate But balance it out with the Browns and the Steelers going under so AFC South The shock for everybody with Houston Texans and to make a riot turning it around Immediately with CJ Strahd Who From a fantasy perspective. I actually think the Addition is going to be a subtraction. I think Stefan digs is Not fully roasted and cooked but I think his best years are behind him and I think he's going to be more of a problem child Then he's actually going to be a help in the slot but the other aspect Tank Dell Is going after Nico Collins and Stefan digs in drafts When he was playing with CJ Strahd he led the team in targets yards and TDs And he averaged over 70 yards and almost a full touchdown per game with CJ Strahd Fun note CJ Strahd on with Micah Parsons was asked to build his perfect receiver core He said Devante Adams all time great Jamar Chase Reak athlete And tank Dell as his wide receiver three he knows where money is made tank Dell does work It's coming back from an injury this season.

I'm going to be curious to see with him looking like a starter from the jump and seeing how that goes Now at nine and a half wins rob. Where do you got the Houston Texans this year? Right below it at nine Which is crazy for me to say that about a team in Houston But like you said last year I team that one double digits last year yeah, they shocked the world but I think they're gonna come back down a little bit They'll win nine I feel good about that Steven I agree with the stuff on digs take.

I think it's going to be more More problems than anything else and I can't really trust the health of some of those players So I'm going to sit at 10 but I don't think they win the division So you have them just over at 10 yeah 10 now I with the talent on this team I think that they should be able to build with continuity and go up But like I said with Stefan digs I think it's actually a detractor especially with that many young players that are going to have to deal with the Let's say unjustified behavior potentially as we've already seen it in the preseason. I have them at nine just like rob now Shifting over to don's every year pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars I mentioned before I think Trevor Lawrence has to do it this year I cannot see a circumstance that it doesn't work because despite all of his failings He was still six in the NFL in deep pass attempts and the Jaguars added Brian Thomas who had a ton of bomb touchdowns in a senior area last year in college and they added Gabe Davis who has been able to do nothing but catch deep touchdowns Periodically so I think they're just going to try and play into Trevor Lawrence strength there and if you want those statistics on Brian Thomas He had 17 TDs in What was it 12 games last year in college nine of them were over 30 yards Davis since coming into the NFL has the highest average depth of target in the league and he's second for most yards per reception Sense coming into the NFL so he is a guy that gets deep they're playing the Lawrence of strength and it's going to be a chuck in duck when it's not Travis E.T.N So Eight and a half wins rob where you got him I'm under it's seven Stephen I'm at 11 I think I think Doug I trust Doug Peterson I do like drug Peterson as well, but I think that they have some issues that they need to work out on the line and I think they need some work Issues worked out on the defensive side as well So I have them just under at eight so rob and I are close Part of me will always root for Stephen to be right here because a good Jacksonville team is just more fun That's that's the team that just has the like the division number right like I think because they could Run through the division that helps them and they'll run into some cupcake teams like that's kind of like the same like half of their division It's like the old like middle 2000s dolphins teams they were bad, but they beat everybody in the division all the time as they were bad. Yeah, yeah, so shifting from Jacksonville to Indianapolis I mentioned Anthony Richardson When he's healthy big asterisk has it only happened for a few games he rushed 25 times In four games now remember two of those games.

He had to leave early with injury So he had two full games and maybe three quarters of one and had 25 rushes and as I mentioned on this show last year He is bigger and faster than Derek Henry now He I hope he develops as a passer, but he ain't there which limits pit in and everybody else on that team But they also had something that I really look for in teams where they had Among the lowest player turnover Now they've already been a very highly ranked offensive line. They are a very good blocking team Their defense is going to have continuity. I like Shane Stiken.

I like the OCCs he's brought in It's really going to go as Richardson goes and if he stays upright, I can see them making some noise But at eight and a half wins I'm going to bake in him only playing 12 games and I think that they're going to come in just under at eight Steven I got them as a six-win team Okay, and I'm leaving it at that like I just I don't the the last two teams on this division. It's a coin flip or who wants to lose He's not wrong. I agree.

I actually agree with Steven. It's six. I'm still feeling a little generous But I I fully agree with Steven on six.

This is a team like you of course you can't judge anything by preseason But just looking at the roster here. I'm not looking at anybody that's come that makes me go woo Now I will say this with Tennessee. I'm sorry even it's now John Cena Well he has his earbuds in so he know he can hear me but the last one we have in that Tennessee Yeah Tennessee now.

I'm going to kind of very to lead the highest Tented air yards over 20 yard pat so passes that go over 20 yards in the air the highest in the NFL not named will levis is 15% Will levis did it 22% of his pass attempts. So one out of every four was getting chucked Now the Andre Hopkins did not have the juice to help with that even though he was a decent receiver But they have added Calvin Ridley and Tyler Boyd who have both excelled at deeper routes Tyler Boyd less so because Jamar Chase came in and he became an intermediate but They signed Calvin Ridley who was top five in deep targets last year for the aforementioned Trevor Lawrence and his deep success Possibly attributed to Calvin Ridley. So again the team is going to try and play into their young quarterback strength New offensive coordinator Brian Callahan called the fifth most past plays in his five seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals So he is going to want to chuck it.

They have added Tony Pollard now I will fully up or acknowledge again that that was a bad call by me that Pollard was going to be great but allow me to clarify He mentioned on multiple occasions that he did not feel right and fully recovered from his broken leg until after their week seven by Now if you wanted to look at a voided tackle rate and that's the ability to break tackles of void tackles just essentially to stay up as a running back For those for that first half of the season roughly Tony Pollard's avoided tackle rate was 7.3% which is What's that word for trash you like to use Steven? Yeah, but thank you sir After the buy Tony Pollard became a top three running back with a 25% A voided tackle rate and that's when he said he was finally healthy I know we mentioned that Tennessee's line is terrible But I think his elusiveness might help and the big note to have Tajaj Spears had over 50 catches as a rookie running back That is almost unheard of. I think he's going to get a lot of work and I think Tony Pollard is going to get a lot of work in the same space I think they're going to be another chuckett team that might be a little bit of fun So 6.5 wins Rob where do you got him?

By the way, we have a Sam Elinger siding in the game Anthony Richardson is on the sideline Give me eight Wait is Anthony Richard on the sidelines by force or by choice? He looked like he was hanging out. So okay Steven six and a half was the win total on betmg.

I'm for the Tennessee Titans. Where do you got him? I'm sorry, but analytics make numbers seem like things are more important than they are Tony's Pollard is still but cheeks and he will always be but cheeks.

He reaped off of Zeke's hard work. I'm going to give them five wins. You mispronounced fat work for Zeke I mean he got big, but he opened up all the holes for the other guy But I say five and can I make a quick observation while we're getting reset here?

No prime vision on the preseason game Do you mean no Ryan Fitzpatrick? No, there's not the cool Prime vision thing that I like so much on Thursday night football What the ads? I'm not I'm not watching the game in prime vision Oh, it's no I might have been not even noticed.

It's almost like you're watching mad unfold Yeah, they follow all the routes instead of I love it. I absolutely interesting I will say this it adds an element to the game But I actually concur with Steven. I got five wins for Tennessee because they may be fun to watch check it around that doesn't mean they're gonna win So finishing it off with the AFC West Now I I reserved what I think to be the best call from last season for this particular division because of the Kansas City Chiefs And it was not by me.

It was actually by Rob Irvin and he called the He called the exact matchup of the Super Bowl. He just had the winner reversed. So that that's pretty slick.

I appreciate that call. Thank you, sir The big thing with Kansas City is Uncertainy with Rossi Rice who was decent last year. He he accomplished a lot of things But if you've looked at a lot of what's been going on with practice with preseason with who they brought in They are trying to shift to a run heavy deep past team so that they're not reliant on Travis Kelsey or Rossi Rice Over the middle at intermediate routes.

That's why they've got guys like Skymore. It's why they brought in Hollywood Brown It's why they drafted Xavier worthy who had the fastest combined time ever which I Still want to see the paperwork on it felt a little suspect to me But they are trying to shift and in that same scope Isaiah Pacheco is Getting his first season as the unquestioned guy and he was top five in red zone rushes and top 10 in yards Over expectation. So if you take in broken tackles and any kind of botched blocking assignments Anterromo Antic Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay So he does it speak French So I think Isaiah Pacheco is actually going to backpack this team and I love watching him run because he just looks like he's mad at the ground with his legs flipping out So There's a lot here and I will never doubt Andy Reed.

I don't think any of us are allowed to ever again unless it's passing on a cheeseburger But with a very hot the second highest win total in the NFL on bedmgm at 11 and a half I personally have him at 13 because I think as a too borrow Stephen was vernacular the rest of the division is booty cheeks Stephen what do you think? I got him at 12 wins but same thing you can't doubt Andy Reed has played calling everything like that I just it's and if Taylor Swift is still floating around. I believe she has some magic judo I just I hate to say it.

Oh the next leg of that not a swifty. I'm not a swifty The next leg of that two or starts in October at Joe Robbie All right Rob 11 and a half for the chiefs what do you got? I'm also at 12.

I do believe they lose week one I think that because they're playing opening night against Baltimore I think Baltimore's gonna come in a house of fire But and then everybody's gonna think the sky is falling with Kansas City because Monday morning quarterbacks or in this case Friday morning quarterbacks But I think they're gonna get that out of the way and then people are gonna remember oh This is the chiefs you are the champs until somebody tells you otherwise and I am not betting against them right now They're getting the Patriots treatments from the years of old where they lose a gamer too early and it's like oh Is this the end of the dynasty and then Bellachek just comes in as the dark emperor and wipes out everything Andy Reed gets him some attendees and it's on That is a grown man that used the word pennies in a commercial. Okay, I know it was the it was the finger movement across the table Yeah better chemistry on screen, but then pat my homes with him. I don't know point it So Shifting from the ultra successful Kansas City chiefs to the Las Vegas Raiders Robby you want to take it real quick because we know on September 21st The autumn wind is a great up Now apparently bed MGM doesn't have a very high opinion of the Raiders either with a six and a half Line set for their total The interesting thing about that is they've done nothing to improve the team to me They drafted Brock Bowers who is awesome one of the best names in football But when's the last time a tight end actually made a team go that wasn't a Kelsey Especially in his rookie year, but the big thing you have there Luke gets he who I am shocked got another gig Is their new offensive coordinator who loves 12 personnel Steven as our resident athlete for football.

You want to explain 12 personnel for audience real quick No No, I don't want to waste that much time Well, the I'll do it then so 12 personnel one running back to tight end so it's basically just going with a beefy line The mirror white's going to get a lot of run, but it's not going to be good now the other big Given it too much time just no uncle Rico is playing quarterback You don't have to worry about what person now is out there I'm going to be the only guy posted no He did a hype video to no easy way out from Rocky 4 There's no show it got how you didn't have shirt now the reason I brought up the 12 Personnels Luke gets he used it the eighth most in Chicago if you remember Chicago sucked on offense last year If your name wasn't DJ more, but they do have Michael mayor and Brock Bowers so they have a young Set of tight ends that could be good But that also means that Gardner mentioned she's going to be dinking dunk when it's not pat when it's not a run Which is going to be bad for Devonte Adams and even worse for Jacobi Myers who Was so lapping the field last year on Value over expectation It was eight point nine times what he was supposed to score because of efficiency that makes no sense in his wildly unruppitable now bearing the lead Six and a half wins. I feel is already too high, but Rob where do you have the Raiders at? I'm going to take the barely under at six two words gardener min shoe The third Don't forget to say it like love roller coaster No, that's not it that's not that's not the one they use It's the one I use now they use missing miss you by the stone god damn chew Yeah, yeah, it's the Raiders Raiders all the The Raiders are going to be a team to reckon with in two seasons Right now.

I'm going to give them seven wins Only because they're going to go get Taylor hynicky or one of these quarterbacks that get cut off a team and that's going to be your starting quarterback Because you really think a guy who still lives in his mom's trailer is going to do anything with the Styrofoam cooler and a full man chew No uncle Rico can go back to the mountains and throw it over it the man you phrase Mississippi mudflap when referring to his Mullet I just actually I I'm a very different point than Steven does in that scope I don't think they're going to go get somebody else I think they're going to try and run this team out. They're going to win three games They're going to grow their hat into the ring for one of the upcoming draft picks It's going to be a race between the Raiders and the Giants for who's going to suck for Carson back enough But another team that intentionally sucked for a draft pick that didn't hurt Broncos Which I can never hear the name without hearing it in Homer Simpson's voice being disappointed Look it up now You would think losing Russell Wilson would really make a team better. Don't you?

Nah Portland Sutton had them was the most TD dependent wide receiver in all of fantasy with over 30% 31.2 to be exact of his fantasy points coming strictly from TDs That is the worst rate in the top 50 receivers and it's not getting better with bonyx's dinking dunk Javante Williams was an awesome running back coming out and broke tackles not just avoided like we mentioned before broke tackles where people got hands on him 31.6% of the time before he tore his ACL Since he's come back and last year it was at 15.7 if you remember what I said earlier That was Tony Pollard who is what was it Steven but she's thank you but They had the 31st rank to defense or they have the 31st rank defense of 2024 and all you need for evidence is the fact that they've done virtually nothing to improve it they lost to their best player after giving up 70 to a Dolphins team that wasn't even trying to run up the score they just couldn't stop them The only line for hope in this team is that Sean Peyton is their coach and bonyx is the closest thing to jrubries that he's had since jrubries which means shorter accurate passer I don't think they're going to be anywhere anytime soon but at five and a half wins I still think they're going to beat the raiders because I haven't just over it six Steven where do you got him at? I got him right at seven. I think them and the raiders are the bottom of the barrel but it's seven it is going to sneak in some games where who knows what happens and there it is where the opposing team is just gasped because mile high or yeah or they sleepwalk into the game it's bound to happen Yeah, the overall look is a big thing for the Denver matchups.

How about you, Rob? This team has two prime time games. One of them's going to get flexed because right before the buy they're on Monday night football hosting Cleveland The other one's not going to get flexed because it's a third thing night game and it's at New Orleans which ain't going to be much better.

I'm going to go the other way so that we have nice grouping as they say in darts. I'm going to go five solid pick but we've come to that ending time and I promised myself I'm not going to buy into the chargers more than I should for the first time ever. The Los Angeles super chargers.

Thank you, sir. You're welcome. However, no.

The big change from the chargers is looking like being a real football team versus a fantasy team. They have been great for fantasy with offenses throwing it around but that hasn't won games. That's why they brought in Jim Harbaugh.

It's why they brought in Greg Roman. Now in the 10 seasons that Greg Roman has called plays as an offensive coordinator he has peaked at 27 in passing offense 80% of the time. He has never been good or never been past heavy.

Jim Harbaugh even less. He has been 31st in pass attempts as an NFL head coach, which was on a team that won games. The other interesting fact you have with that in the same scope.

Can you name the RB1 for the chargers right now, Rob? I can't even. Ben is a boomer fool.

It might as well be because it's Gus Edwards who has never had a little brother Gus. And what do I say about that? You never trust a man in the NFL named Elvis Gus or?

Is he going to have to tell me? Jim? No.

Elvis Gus or Kittna? Oh no, I trust John. That has been a long-standing philosophy to me.

But with the Gus thing, I just did him only play two and a half games. Well, that's what I was getting at. He's never had more than a hundred and ninety eight carries, which he had last year and was toast.

Now if you look at his backup right now, it's JK Dobbins who has been really good when healthy that one season. And if you saw the picture he posted earlier this offseason, he owes you in a apology because I thought that was a shark attack victim, but it's actually his leg. And that's not what an NFL running backslag should look like.

But he also tore his Achilles, which theme of last year in week one. So he might not even be back at that point. The only one you could look at who might stay healthy is Kmani Vidal.

Who is a sixth round traffic? I have no concept of what's happening here. If there is a team that goes out and gets somebody who got cut, I think it's going to be the chargers looking for a running back who I don't know can stay healthy, since they want to run, run and run some more.

But they have some talent on the team. They still should be a better defense than they have been for ever. And I'm shocked that Bet MGM has them at eight and a half wins.

Steven, where do you got them? I have them under at eight. I think with the new coach, the new energy, everything like that, I think it's going to click, but it's not going to click enough.

I mean, I just don't trust Justin Herbert. He is, I don't know who to compare him to. He is just a stat guy.

He looks good. All game to do. He's rookie Derek Car.

You're not going to win anything with the guy. You're just going to put up a bunch of numbers and look good, but you just ultimately suck. The way I've always heard it put in that scope is Justin Herbert is Peyton Manning if he had Eli's brain.

He's Dollar Tree Philip Rivers, how about that? How dare you, sir? That's family dollar, Philip Rivers to you.

Oh, he is. He is a family man. Dag.

Yeah, come in. How about you, Rob? What do I always say about this team?

Oh, I didn't want to bury it. I didn't want to steal it from you. I knew you were going to say it.

Charging, hurting again. The charger. I don't get proven wrong often in that particular category.

And when I look at the schedule, by the way, buy isn't week five. Not good. When I'm looking at the schedule after Halloween, I'll give you three wins.

And that'll be half of their wins. Are you saying after Halloween? Okay.

I thought you were going to say three total. No, they're going to get six out of it, but it's three half of them are going to come before the buy. Because they come out of the gate.

They'll beat Vegas. They'll probably beat Carolina. They could beat Pittsburgh.

They ain't going to beat Kansas City, and then it's the buy. And then they've got Denver. See, I don't think Denver is that big of a concern.

And what we're going to need is dawn to pick seven because I actually have nine. I think that the quality of the coaching staff as Stephen was alluding to, they're going to find ways to win those close games that they have consistently lost over their history. I think they're going to be just barely over the eight and a half.

I think they're going to have a winning record, but it's not going to be enough to make the playoffs. And we are at half in the indie game. It's seven a piece.

Well, that's the wrap on our AFC. Do we want to hit the plugs or do something else? Well, it's 26 after eight.

So we need to go ahead and do the plugs and shut it down. We do want to remind everybody as my shirt shows you. This is all in weekend.

Do the math. It's in London. Next year it'll be here.

So it won't be as bad. But, uh, do half. Uh, we'll take, I'm going to take some of these headlines and put them in next week if we need them because there's some stuff that you want to talk about, but I don't want to rush through it.

Besides, we reserve this week in next week for NFL. And this week in next week for NFL is what we're going to do. We do want to remind you that Alex and I are in a fantasy football league together.

So there will be discussion of that as the series as the season goes on. I still declare draft shenanigans. But that's just me finish dead last.

Still get the last pick of. But we're going to be, you know, you guys know this show. If you know this show well enough after 14 years.

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She also got a blue ribbon for her watermelon-rine sweet pickles and she got a third place ribbon on a quote of a, uh, forgot what it's called. It's cute. Oh, be it.

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