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You know, some people consider Montana foreign country.
I can understand it.
It's a different world up there than where you come from.
Okay.
But still part of America.
Every time we do one of these, it is to review something, and this is no exception.
And through the first time in quite a few episodes, we're all going to have input.
We've been doing so much dividing and conquering, or me being at a town, or chatting.
Being that available?
We've been all over the world.
We did for the empire though.
We do indeed.
Indeed.
But today we are here to review a documentary.
The latest documentary from controversial, if we can just use that word.
I don't really like that word, but I'm going to use it here.
Michael Moore directs his brand new documentary called Where To Invade Next.
Now, before we start this thing, we've got a couple of people in the thing on this.
We got this, you know, a screener link.
I mean, DVD.
Yeah.
Discreens even before Christmas, you know, but we did, but we did get the,
we had to hold on to our ears.
Yes, but we got the, the invite from our best friends,
Josh and everybody at Alligator, all I didn't agree to marketing.
So our best friends, sorry, just tongue tied there.
So we were doing a lot of recording today.
So we're in the war now.
Yeah, but thanks to Allide and everybody for the invite and everything.
But we've got a screener this, this was cool.
And so yeah, they said, you know, watch your screener.
Get us your review.
We're going to do that right now.
For those of you that don't know Michael Moore.
About 20 years ago, he did a documentary called Roger and me,
where he wanted to interview the head of GM after they had,
basically ruined the city of Flint, Michigan,
which, you know, Flint, Michigan,
going through some rather rough times now as well.
Which he was very claimed for that.
It was a different kind of documentary.
People loved it.
Then things got weird.
As he does, uh, bowling for Columbine,
which is about gun rights.
Fair and height 911.
I think we know what that one was about.
I get sick of sicko.
Yeah.
So this thing hits and then you look at the title.
And you go, where do we end?
Next.
Really?
Is this the right climate to do this documentary?
But it's kind of a bait and switch in a good way.
You can say that.
Yeah.
Because it's even when the film starts,
let me just say this.
This is a two hour documentary.
So it'd be prepared for that.
But even it starts out where he's telling the story
about he's been summoned to the Pentagon
and sits with the joint chiefs of staff.
And they don't know where we need to invade next.
And it's, of course, incredibly tongue-in-cheek.
Yes.
If you believe what's going on here,
there is a bridge in Brooklyn.
I can sell you very cheaply.
But what it really is about is,
Michael Moore going into different places in Europe
and studying different parts of culture
and how he can take some of the things that work in other countries
he wants to boost.
But he tells him, I'm stealing this
and I'm bringing it back to America with me.
I'm not even going to bury the lead here.
I was very impressed.
And I am not a Michael Moore fan by any stretch.
I think the guy tends to do his documentaries
in a way where it's like, look,
if you don't agree with me,
I'm going to like you look like an idiot
on my documentaries.
But he kind of takes a back scene in this,
which I really kind of appreciated.
And I don't know if it was because
the things he was finding out
were just so mind-blowing to him
or if he was really trying to showcase
what was going on there.
But I really kind of liked the way he filmed this.
Um, my kind of idea and this is,
I've been, I've watched just about everything
Michael Moore's done.
And I thought bowling for Columbine
was deserve to Oscar.
He's done some great stuff over the years.
But he is a guy with an agenda.
He has a political bias.
Let's get that out of the way.
And we pride ourselves on being a non-political
and I'm going to try to do this very non-politically.
Agreed.
Um, my feelings personal things
which I'm not going to put on the show aside
is that one thing I didn't like about it
in this documentary.
It shows wonderful programs throughout the world
different countries and shows these great programs.
Why don't we do it here?
And one thing I kind of got the feeling from
is that there's all this great stuff going on
over there, but America's so horrible.
Like the school lunch program.
You know, we're horrible over here.
They got this incredible stuff over here.
You know, and that kind of did get to me
a little bit on that.
And I know it's going to be a bias piece.
Right.
Some people may call for up again or whatever.
You know, that's one thing that kind of disappointed me
and this whole thing.
And we got to you that feeling that America's not great
and everything else around the country is wonderful.
And it shows these countries like Slovakia
and stuff like that.
Wherevania.
Sovania.
Sorry.
You actually address it.
Yeah, exactly.
Sovania.
Is that, you know, this country's so wonderful
and they got this great program.
But everything in that country is not wonderful.
He portrays it that this country's perfect.
They got all these great programs and we're horrible over here.
I can see what you're seeing.
Yeah.
But I think I like the idea of these programs.
Right.
Right.
But all of them working on something.
No.
Some of them possibly.
I think the bigger picture that you're trying to get to here
is these programs.
Because every country has this problem.
Yes.
But these programs specifically that he deals with.
These aren't turnkey solutions.
Exactly.
There's going to, there's a lot more involved.
Like, would we, would we love to be able to have free college education in America?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Get up on the page.
Not a year.
We can wake up in the morning and go.
Okay.
Everybody goes to college for free.
Yeah.
There's a lot more to that.
But I don't think he was trying to.
Hide the dirty laundry of the country.
Like I did.
Yeah.
For me.
It was more like this is one thing that this country's doing.
Yes.
I'm not going to go into everything that this country does.
Something that I, it's kind of like going to a grocery store.
And yeah, I know the store brand sucks.
But I want to make sure that I highlight the brand name of this product.
Because this is the best thing of this product.
Yeah.
For me, it was more just about borrowing elements from something.
He wasn't saying this country's amazing in America sucks.
He was just saying this is one thing that this country does.
That I think could work in America.
To do that point, and there's some incredible programs, which I'd love to see work here.
Absolutely.
But my big thing, he really made the point of knocking American on the school lunch program.
That's France.
I'm kind of with you on this Rob, like, and with you bringing that up in particular.
Don, I mean, I know that there's been this massive effort within the school lunch program to offer healthier options.
Do I think that the French cuisine lunch program would work over here?
No.
But could we have a better alternative, not just from what we have, but what we currently have?
Yes.
There's got to be a happy medium that can be found.
Yeah.
And I think that what they are doing and how they are preparing those lunches and the amount of preparation
and thought and care that goes into that school lunch program in France is a much better alternative than both what we have and what we grew up on.
We're at one point.
He's actually got the niece of one of his production people.
Sense and pictures of their school lunches and he's showing them to these French kids.
And they're like, what is that?
They're like, recoiling in terror.
You eat that, that's food over there.
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
And what I liked about that particular scene.
Because the whole time I'm going, I bet this is the private school.
And he says, no, this is a public school and in France, they don't have private schools.
Because what it does is it forces the rich kids parents to be more involved in what the school is doing.
And I was like, okay, that's genius.
And that's kind of similar with what the, I forgot what country was.
Where he actually goes deeper into their educational system.
And what was it then?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That they were like, like, top marks across the board and, you know, like, number one in the world.
No more work and stuff like that.
And 10 minutes or the 10 minutes.
Yeah.
And it's kind of a similar thing there.
Or where like, you think it's going to be a private school.
And like, this is just how the education system is set up over there.
And, you know, do I agree that everything will just be a, like you said.
It's, it's something that's going to take a lot of time, a lot of money invested.
And the right people in the right place.
A lot of private investors, you know, you know, it's going to take people that genuinely care to make this system work.
And I know we have people like that over here.
But I just don't think that the obstacles that are put in their way would allow it to happen smoothly.
A lot of, a lot of things are going to have to be fixed, not just in education.
And, and the things that he's highlighting, but other things have to be fixed.
Like these, another, for example.
Like the amount of time they get off from work and Italy and stuff like that.
Yeah.
I'm just getting five weeks of marriage leave.
And, you know, five months of maternity leave and stuff.
That's government mandate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That, that, that threw me.
Yeah.
That threw me.
Look at me wrong.
These are wonderful programs that he shows.
But I just think he's kind of doing it where this country so wonderfully doesn't say anything about these countries.
And how I just got that feeling that American needs to do it.
We're so horrible on this this and this.
And that's just kind of feeling that I got across to see that.
But I love his work over time.
It had the Michael Moore feel.
I had the Michael Moore look.
You know, but it's kind of he's trying to get those points across, you know.
So I mean, don't get me wrong on that.
To me, this was the least heavy handed of any of Michael Moore was saying.
That's what I was saying.
Documentaries that I've ever seen.
It was just like, take it for what it's worth guys.
I mean, you know, I'm not saying that this, this is, this is gospel.
This is Michael talking at me.
And this was the more a more human version of him.
Yeah.
It really seemed like he's kind of scaled it back a little bit.
I mean, when you, when you look at him on the cover of the thing where he's basically.
Looks like he's carrying the American flag in the battle.
And you think he's going to be like ultra militant Michael Moore.
And he's not.
He's really not.
But one thing that I'm put in force, my point is the beginning of the film.
All these horrible things that happened in America, you know, like the guy who got arrested and set on by the three cops.
The guy in prison for, you know, that's something that kind of just put that bad light on to me.
You know, it at the beginning somewhat, you know what I'm saying.
I can see that.
Yeah.
That's that's something that was that really needed.
You know, was that intro really necessary.
You know, that was just my point.
It almost is from a Michael Moore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you're having a shock people out of their apathy by showing them something like that.
And I know, it is Michael Moore.
He's does stuff like that.
You know, it's something he can expect.
But, you know, of course he's done some incredible stuff in some credible programs.
I was very impressed by this.
And I was prepared not to be you and me both because again, I'm not a huge fan of his style because he or my.
He always wants to club you over the head with a sledgehammer.
If you don't agree with him, you're all.
Right.
Like Charleston on the bone for combat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think he made some some very good points on this.
And it didn't come across as as ultra ultra preaching.
And it could have very easily of have absolutely slid over into that.
You know, to where it becomes almost evangelical to where he feels like.
I didn't want Michael Moore to turn into the bitty hand of touching the.
Fire.
I just not please don't let it go there and it didn't.
I was I was thoroughly impressed with it.
And there's a nice little twist at the end to it, which I don't want to give away.
But it kind of means going.
Yeah.
And I will admit I got there were there were moments where I got a little choked up.
And I and I never saw that coming.
Right.
I was just like.
Wow.
You know, it's it's like a dose of reality just slapping you in the face.
I'm like.
Wow.
This is what things could be and this is where things could go and I didn't realize it.
Certain aspects of our of our country were that messed up.
Anything else we want to add for you to the final analysis?
Because you really can't talk about.
Yeah.
When it comes to documentary, you just want to talk about the content of the documentary.
It's all you got to go on really.
Yeah.
No acting.
I mean, the look was fine.
So good interviews.
Yeah.
I thought I liked the interview stuff.
Yeah.
Well, we do a final analysis on this show.
We're not going to give you thumbs up thumbs down.
We're not going to give you stars.
We're not going to give you letter grades or anything like that.
Our audience whom we affectionately refer to as the empire.
They want us to go deeper than that.
So we're going to.
We're going to ask two questions.
Question number one.
Would you see this film again?
The answer is no.
Then we're done here.
The answer is yes.
Then I wanted to know how far we're willing to go to see it.
Would you go to a theater in full price?
Would you wait for like a twilight?
Maybe a mad name?
Maybe early morning on a weekend?
Second run at the dollar theater?
Netflix, Red Box, for TV?
Chad.
Would you see this again?
Yes.
I would.
How far you want to go?
It's not one of those films that begs a theatrical presentation.
It really doesn't.
But if you're going to do something.
If you want to check it out theatrically.
Do a matinee like maybe around lunchtime or something like that?
Early matinee?
Fair enough.
Because it brings up really good talking points.
It's one of those things where I don't know if you'd want to see it.
And then talk about it or I don't know.
One of those really nice things to sit through on a Saturday afternoon.
Don't you see it's good?
Yeah, and this is kind of a weird one because we are all lucky enough to get a copy of this.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Right now.
Yeah.
But I would see it again.
Definitely.
How far you want to go?
I just didn't like the knocking of America.
I thought point on that.
But I would still say a red box.
Okay.
Yeah.
I still like it.
I would see it again.
But for me.
I think more of the Netflix.
Okay.
I think it's a good.
You know, gather everybody around the house.
Have some, you know, light, light or derbs and kind of talk about it.
Because that way you could pause it and kind of talk about what's going on as well.
Good call.
But yeah.
I mean, it's good.
Which is something that, you know, I'm not sure.
I would.
You can find yourself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is called where to invade next.
And four of the differences.
Again, we got to think.
The people have sent us the great screeners from there.
From the, I think it was age 24.
And then the, um, uh, allied integrated marketing
Josh, everybody for inviting us, uh, given us the invite to this thing.
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