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iTunes Exclusive Episode The Disaster Artist

December 22, 2019 Season 8, Episode 120
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Greetings Empire member and or members. If you are hearing this sound of this voice it means there's a couple of things that are going on for you right now. It means at least once in your life you have checked out the clubhouse podcast live every Sunday night seven Eastern for Pacific your one stop shop for all things pop culture but it also means you subscribe to this show on your favorite podcast app because it's time for iTunes exclusive.
How's the way animated I'm sorry kind of excited about there greetings my name is Rob on the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and you like to watch good movie.
That was not a racist thing I'll show I'll explain here in a minute stay with me all right. Don't at me if the kids are saying now don't at me.
But I'm not alone for this particular episode joining me across the desk as he tends to do from time to time is the official fact checker of this show and a man that can officially say for one night in his life he threw plastic wear at a movie screen.
You may know him is fond on go but his mom and even Don Ford I'm gonna call him Don Ford you're right over there sir.
But what kind of plastic. The plastic spoon. I don't know. I was just a plastic spoon. Very confused by all this. Also joining us for the first time on an iTunes exclusive episode is a guy who thought he was being
broken into what could be the most painful experience of his life last week and it turned out to be one of the greatest hour and a half stretches to two hour stretches that he spent in years and I think I can speak I can speak for that genuinely when I say that.
Alex is with us how are you sir. I am excellent I genuinely was upset for about five minutes going into that you are warned going in. I believe I believe the words I said were cinematic train wreck.
Those were the exact words I still was confused and afraid. Okay, so you may you may have figured out what we're talking about but let's get the introduction done.
Whenever we do one of these things it is to review something and this is no exception. James Franco who I truly believe could be one of the top five people in Hollywood that likes the roll the duty.
He's directing. He's starring in. I'm sure he's probably an executive producer. He is a producer. He's not an executive producer. It's time to talk about the disaster artist.
We're going to start this whole thing. Yes, sir. We got to think Denny. I mean. Well, listen, Al. I did a great mark. Denny.
Denny. Okay, let's let's be clear on something before we get into this.
I cannot be blamed for Don. First of all Alex cannot be blamed for Don in this episode. There is no there was no Starbucks gifts broad.
There was a gift brought but it was not Starbucks. This is the effect of the room on its own. I've known Don.
I would venture to say about five years now. Would that be a rough at least no longer than that. Well, on the last one you said you know, he's on the show for six years.
Yeah, so probably seven years seven years. Yes, public school math. We've made a lot. And I've seen a lot of movies with Don. Yes, a lot.
I would venture to say I have seen more movies with Don than anybody else in my lifetime out of the exception of my mom.
Because we probably don't 300 iTunes. Yeah, well, this is three 31. Yeah, but probably somewhere in the 250 range.
I have never seen this man more tickled than as we prepared for this film. And this you may want to just sit down and get comfortable because this episode might take a few minutes because there's a lot going on here.
And it's all glorious. Now and this and I'm even going to count certain stage productions because Alex, I don't know if you've ever heard this story.
The very first stage production we ever got to review was for our friends at Dallas summer musicals for Mama Mia.
The musical that is all out of films. Why is that song? I have a song stay with. Yes, I have a song. So stay with me. I am familiar with the concept of Mama Mia. Don, however, is making me uncomfortable.
So it's Don and then Chad. Was it was it was it was Chatson actually was I sit next. I think Chats on the other side. Okay. No, because Chad, we were sitting next to each other.
But we have like a seat between no, we're sitting in the road three of us. Right. We didn't have, but I don't think you were between us. No, no, as on the end.
As the title track fires up towards the end. No, it was dancing queen. I'm sorry. It's dancing queen fires up at the end. No, no, no, they don't play dance. It was because I was in the middle. But one of the songs.
This man on his feet full blown groove thing happening. Chad looks at me like dude. I might do let the dude roll. He's having fun.
He's, you know, he's rolling. Just let it happen. Don, I didn't realize what a big Abba fan Don was until that night.
He was more tickled after the room than that. So if you don't know what the disaster artist is, let me preface this because we have to do some groundwork here.
In 2003, a movie was released called the room. She wanted to call it that written. No, it was a film. It happened. Hey, it went for it. It doesn't mean he hit it. What do you mean? Exactly.
Written, produced, directed and starring a man by the name of a guy by the name of Tommy Wiseau or Wizard. This guy's such a mystery. Nobody can say his name.
Yes, allegedly. He made this movie with $6 million of his own money, which to this day nobody knows where the money came from. Nobody knows where he's from. Nobody knows how old he really is.
Nobody knows where the money came that he did because there's actually a scene in this where Seth Rogan's character who's the line producer goes to cash his check and he's just shocked that it clears.
One of the best unexpected scenes in the entire movie. Yes, well, they can now play Johnny. So the room is could be on its own, on its own merit, could be one of the worst films ever made.
The best worst film ever made. It's yeah, it's in the discussion. I don't know if it's literally the worst film I've ever seen because it's so bad. It's wonderful. Like it's one of those films that you can't even say it knows what it is because it doesn't know what it is.
Now I did I hold on I did a written review for for this film, which may be at WWW dot the Cobboss podcast dot com someday someday. I haven't I haven't edited it yet, but this one we can take on our own, but on this one, this film is horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.
This gets the uncovited time six root canal warder dentist award. I'd still watch it before I watch a tariff smile. Okay, but, but what made this film is the way of the parting where we saw it with our great friends.
Well, no, stay with me because I haven't gotten there. Okay, I have to lead up, but this film is horrible. I mean, I'm going to stay with. I know that.
But the it reminded me of the acting in the sound and everything of some of those cheesy adult films where they try to act in this bad. You know what I'm talking about? The acting is that bad.
You know, it's the words get a max family friendly enough. Yes, because at one point I did lean over while we were watching the room because we actually went and watched the room at one point. I leaned over to Alex and I was like, it's like I'm 13 and it's two o'clock in the morning on a Saturday on cinematics.
That's not bad. This is. So, and of course, I got uncomfortable because it came to that scene and Rob starts leaning close. Hey, no ladies. Um, so this movie is released.
A bunch of no name actors. Still no name actors. And there's a segment on a podcast that I love Hollywood Babylon called exquisite acting.
You could do an entire episode of Hollywood Babylon just on the exquisite acting from this film because when they say exquisite acting, its performances that are so bad, they come around back to good.
So, this movie is just horrible. It's just, I mean, I know people before I saw it that were comparing notes of how far did you get in before you had to bail. Right.
And the movie is only like 95 minutes long. I mean, watching it at home on Netflix is just torture. But, you know, yeah, I'm getting to that state was hold put a pin in that. I think the official time on that is 139.
So, over the years, this film has gained this weird cult status to the point where there's a couple of local theaters here in the Dallas Fort Worth area that show it on the weekends midnight shows in the same vein of the Rocky Horror picture show.
Rocky Horror, I can watch on its own because it is what it is. But when you see it in that communal environment, it adds a whole different angle to it.
So, what has happened is this movie has become such a crazy cult thing that there are now when you go see it in a theater with people, there are props, there are standard lines that you have to yell at the screen.
There are, it basically becomes an episode of mystery science theater 3000 with about 250 other people.
There is actually a start to that that's covered at the beginning of the book that says that Cicero went with co-writing it.
Greg Cicero, who was his best friend and co-star, who wrote the book, who wrote the book that the disaster artist is based on.
Who said that this never would have happened if it wasn't for two film students walking past the theater that Tommy was outpaid to have in there for two weeks.
And when they saw it, they were looking at different movies and there was a sign taped to the room that said no refunds.
Really? And this is almost the first chapter of the book, possibly the first chapter I was doing the audio.
But they went in as film students to see what the big deal was for something that was no refunds, laughed hysterically at what was intended to be a dramatic movie.
Indeed it was.
And wound up grabbing other film students and anybody they knew and camping out in front to try and keep the movie in the theater because it was so bad it was hilarious.
Okay so, Greg Cicero, who is again his best friend, the whole deal, writes a book about the making of this film called the disaster artist.
This movie caught so much fire with all of these different people in Hollywood that James Franco decided he's going to make the film version of the disaster artist, which under normal circumstances you know what I can roll with you.
This is going to be fun.
Let me run you some names of people in this thing.
I don't know if we have the time for everybody.
Zoe Deutsch, Alison Brie, James Franco, Kristen Bell, Josh Hutcherson, who's brilliant in this by the way.
Oh he's great.
Lizzie Kaplan, Zach Efron, Megan Malali, Brian Cranston, Jason Menzoukis, who you might remember is Rafi from the league.
Adam Scott, Dave Franco, Kate Optins in this.
Let's go back and look.
Sharon Stone, Seth Rogan, JJ Abrams, Melanie Griffith, Judd Aphatow, Chris Mintz Plott, Zach Braff, Ari Gainer, Bob Odin Kirk, Hannibal Burris, Randall Park, Casey Wilson, Paul Sheer,
Kevin Smith, and so I hadn't seen the room.
So the week before the screening that we attended, which was the night before we record this, which is well in advance, which is why I can't put a number of this episode.
Our friends at the Alamo Drafthouse, along with Allied Integrated Marketing, did a screening of the room.
We attended.
And we were given cards, so we knew certain things to yell.
They didn't want to give us everything because I hadn't seen the film, about 80% of the theater hadn't seen the film before.
So we were experiencing it together.
My stomach hurt from laughing because like, as Don yelled at the beginning of this, there are certain things about the film.
Like when they were doing set decoration, and at the screen they said nobody knows why.
No, this is exactly the story.
The guys that were doing set decorations, Tommy sent them because they needed more stuff to decorate this set.
So at a thrift store, they found this framed picture of a spoon that they put on the set.
And so every time, when you see it, about 16 times in the room.
So when you're in the theater, whenever you see this picture, you have to yell spoon and you throw plastic spoons at the screen.
There are certain points where there are just unexplainably sweeping shots of San Francisco.
And you're supposed to say, meanwhile, back in San Francisco, like, it is a fully immersive experience.
And we even added to it.
Oh, absolutely.
Because there were times where they lived door open.
Well, no, that was, but that's actually that wasn't on our cards.
Yeah, but that's a no thing.
Yeah, shut the doors and known thing.
So for reference, people will walk into the home where most of the movie takes place.
And nobody shuts the door except twice.
Yeah, now I still don't do it to say why it's called the room.
Because it's not like everything's in one room.
He could have called it, oh, he couldn't call it the apartment because that it's a whole different deal.
The room was the first word in English that he could say.
I guess.
And he can't shake his accent.
What accent?
Which they talk about in the film.
Now, Franco plays, why so brilliantly?
Also understand that Franco stayed in character the entire production,
whether the cameras were rolling or not.
He never broke character to the point where as I read on IMDB,
Seth Rogan fully admits it took him two days to stop laughing every time he spoke.
And Franco even told him, you will get used to it.
And he did.
You will get used to it.
Well, did you notice that by the time Rogan actually has lines in it,
he looks pained because he's been laughing so hard.
Oh, it's got to be.
It's got to be.
So this film is a, this film is not only a behind the scenes look at the room,
it's the events leading up to them deciding to do the room.
And they re-shot the entire film shot for shot.
Can't wait to see that.
In the film.
So it's a film within a film about another film that they re-film the entire film.
In case we weren't met enough already.
Like, my think, I think I just went cross-eyed.
Like in Austin Powers.
Oh, yeah.
And yeah, there are certain points in the room where it just,
there's, because he filmed it on 35 millimeter and digital at the same time.
Because I am saying it.
And I'm saying it now.
Hear me now.
Listen to me later.
Believe me, come February.
Actually, you can believe me, come January.
Franco will be nominated for Best Actor.
It would be a crime if he isn't.
Because those Golden Globe nominations will come out within a couple of weeks of the release of this will be December 8th wide.
I am going to also say at this point my favorite performance of the year.
Because he so commits to this role.
Like he is, he is Tommy.
No, it's not even a role for him.
I mean, when you saw the behind the scenes, which we were lucky enough to see at the room.
Yes.
And you have, was so on one side and Franco on the other.
And you genuinely, if you close your eyes, you don't know who's talking.
No, I mean, he fully commits to this role.
Now, his brother, Dave Franco is in this.
Play Cistero.
I could roll with it, but I really got sold when he grew the beard out.
The beard sold it for me.
See, I wasn't even sold that that was real hair.
But it was there enough.
Because at one point, Cistero's character like shaves the beard off with no real explanation why.
And then all of a sudden, he doesn't have the beard anymore in the room.
In the room.
Right.
But there's a lot of things that go unexplained in the room.
And one of my co-workers was my plus one for this.
All we kept saying for at least the first 20 minutes was dead on casting.
Dead on casting.
The other actors in the film, we were like, I know exactly who that is, I know exactly who that is.
And people that were playing roles that you were like, are you kidding me?
For instance, Melanie Griffith, Sharon Stone.
Absolutely.
Like, I was able to pick those out, but I was like, wow.
And for those of you that don't know, because I need other people to share in my pain,
everybody knows that I do have a very unhealthy crush on Alison Brie.
She and Dave Franco are married.
They got married earlier this year.
So they have great chemistry on camera as well.
So you know that there's some realism.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Um, I didn't realize Zach Efron was in it until the very end.
Like, there are some people in this film like, wait, what are you going to do until the very end?
You didn't realize I was in it.
I didn't realize it was him when he first showed up.
Oh, I lost my mind when it got to the end.
It was like, oh my god, is that Efron?
Oh my god.
Like, the casting in this is like,
what they do to transform these people, Hutcherson.
Okay.
Hutcherson was genuinely afraid of Efron in that first scene.
I genuinely expected to see him having penis pants.
And I guess they must have shot that scene in multiple environments.
Because when they see, they filmed it, that's not the, the environment they used it in in the film.
So they must have done that scene in more than one place.
Right.
Or I mean, that might have been some kind of a weird inside joke.
Yeah, because it was the alley for the alley, but in the room, it's like a rooftop.
Right.
There is nothing about this film that I did not absolutely love.
You look at the casting of Ari Gainer, who you might, Ari Gainer, I apologize.
You might remember from the TV version of Bad Teacher.
That's what she's done most recently that she was known for.
She plays the female lead from the film.
She plays Julian.
Or Juliet.
I apologize.
I'm so bewildered by this film right now.
I can't get stuff right.
She plays Juliet Danielle.
Juliet Danielle.
Who's the female lead in the show?
And she crushes it.
Like there's nobody in this film that doesn't absolutely destroy.
Like Paul Sheer, who I'm used to seeing play kind of like a goofy like, especially from the league,
where he plays the director of photography in this.
Just, and just even talk about the opening two minutes, where it's Kristen Bell, JJ Abrams,
Kevin Smith, Zach Braff, talking about this film.
Now, all of this being said, it is important to understand.
And guys, I think you'll back me up on this.
You need to see the room before you see the disaster artist.
Totally.
It's close.
I think you can enjoy the disaster artist, but I don't think you will enjoy nearly as much.
No, not nearly, not nearly on the sale of it.
If you have the opportunity to see the room first, do that.
Right.
Do yourself a solid.
Find a theater near you.
I mean, because I talked to some guys behind me as we were waiting for the film to start.
And they were like, you know, you're the first two guys that we've talked to that have actually seen this.
And one guy was like, well, like, I watched it at home the other night.
I'm like, oh, you poor soul.
You poor poor soul.
You need to go see this in a theater with people that know what they're doing.
Because it makes the movie so much more fun to deal with when people are just yelling.
And this is really one of the very few times the Alamo will let you talk to the theater because of what it is.
Or like sing along.
It's not kind of thing like a sing along.
Right now.
Do yourself a favor, though.
When you see the disaster artist, shut up.
Just watch the movie for what it is.
Because you really need to, you need to just experience the story of the film.
And you made the point in this movie, the disaster artist.
You see the picture of the spoon, but only for splits.
Right.
And I think they did that on purpose.
Yeah.
You only see it for a split second because they know if they had shown it any more than that, people would be throwing spoons at the screen.
Well, somebody behind us actually said it.
I don't know if you caught that.
No.
No.
Don whispered it next to me.
Oh, no.
There was somebody behind us who tried to do it for getting which showing they were in.
And all you just hear is the hush.
And it's like, yeah, this is actually a good movie.
Yeah, you'd be quiet.
Yeah.
And they even said that going in, guys, just don't watch this film for what it is.
You're going to want to, but don't.
This film is brilliant.
This film is brilliant on multiple levels.
Like everything works.
Again, stay through the credits.
There is a post credits scene.
That's all I'm willing to say.
And somebody, and I don't want to mention his name.
But his initials are Don Ford left early.
Oh, well.
During the credits.
And also during the credits, they show you the shot for shot they did side by side with the room.
And with the shot they did for the disaster.
So they can show you how dead on all this.
Because none of that stuff was shown in the film.
Not at all.
And again, they shot the entire movie.
They read the entire movie shot for shot.
And like you said, if that's not on the Blu-ray, I'm going to be really mad.
Because I need to see this for what it is.
Absolutely.
What I'm also hoping is at some point, because Wiseau still owns the rights to his films.
He actually loaned the rights out to A24 so they could do some screenings of the room.
I really hope they do a version of the Blu-ray that has an audience participation track.
Much like they did for the anniversary edition of the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Or you can watch it at home, but the back two speakers, if you have a home theater system,
are the audience participation.
Absolutely.
You have to do this with the room.
Just don't throw spoons in your living room.
It's all I'm saying.
Unless they're plastic and you have a good team.
I'm still not doing it.
I value my TV too much.
But I'm telling you my TV.
And I'm saying it now.
Franco nominated for Best Actor.
He will win at least one.
Whether it's the Golden Globe, whether it's the SAG, whether it's the Oscar.
He is taking some form of hardware.
I could see him nominated for Golden Globe.
But which we talked in the pre-show.
He did.
I think this is too much of a cult following thing.
And if you don't know, I knew nothing about this film a week ago.
Nothing.
Really?
Kind of like, you know what I'm saying?
Until you said, hey, you should see this on Thursday night.
And I'm glad I did.
I'm glad you did too.
I'm glad I did.
And I could understand it.
But for somebody who hasn't seen the room, doesn't know the story.
Doesn't know the whole thing.
You know, it's not a big push.
They're releasing it at the right time.
Yeah.
But the Oscars is too much of that Oscar bait, foo foo.
You have to be a darling.
I think the Oscars might be tough for him.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I'm with you.
I'm not saying that I disagree with you.
Does he do incredible?
Yes.
I'm going to put my, in my upcoming written review at www dot the call box podcast.com.
That is a website.
Good lord son.
I'm going to put on there that he, he deserves in the best act or not.
He is that good.
Now, can I see him when the Oscar?
No.
Can I see him?
You do not.
Yeah.
But because that's the way the Academy is.
And there's been plenty of people that I think you might run.
And my counter to that in the pre show was what won Best Picture this year?
Moonlight.
A severely indie film.
That yes, there were some politics behind it because of the message of the film.
But it's an amazing film.
And I believe it deserved the best picture.
And I'm glad it won Best Picture.
That's what kind of gives me hope for a film like this.
And number one, number two, because of all the star power involved in this thing.
There's going to be a groundswell.
It's going to happen.
And I would love.
And one of the things we talked about when we saw the room was how meta would it be?
When the worst, one of the worst films ever made.
There's a movie made about that film.
And that film gets nominated for Best Picture.
No.
And I said I would love to see, even if it's just Best Actor, where you get real Tommy,
Franco Tommy in stereo around the mic.
I feel like Franco would have to give him the Oscar.
Oh, absolutely.
This is for you.
I love everyone.
You'll give a wad by my movie.
And plus, look at the fact that he's really capitalizing right now.
Franco is on the success of the doose from HBO where he played twins.
He's on a role right now.
And I'm telling there's just something in my gut that tells me he's taking home.
It doesn't get it.
It doesn't surprise me if you won't get it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I know.
He does get it.
Hey, great form.
You know, but I think it'd be a tough role for the Oscar goal and globe.
Different story.
That's a different ballgame.
It's the foreign press.
And the Oscars will have that where they'll loop around where they'll do the one that the audience likes,
once every few years.
And this could be that one.
And you'll get some seasoned actor who's, you know, in their 60s or 70s,
who's going to do some kind of foo foo Oscar darling film.
He'll get nominated, of course.
This movie is so overpriced.
It is so, so good.
And I'm so glad I saw the room beforehand.
So thank you to Allied for actually doing that screening to give us the chance to set ourselves up
so that we could enjoy this film as much as we did.
Let's get to the final analysis because we're at minute 31.
Here's how this works.
We're going to ask up to two questions.
Question number one is, would we see this film again?
If the answer's no, we're done here.
If the answer's yes, the follow up question is, how far are you willing to go to see it?
From best of the best to worst of the best,
full price at the theater, twilight, matinee, early morning on a weekend,
second run at the dollar theater, actually leaving your house to get it from red box,
streaming on Netflix, table.
Alex, since you're our guest, we're going to ask you the question first.
Would you see this film again multiple times?
How far are you willing to go to do it?
Full price.
Right out of the gate, he's not even messing around.
Oh no.
First review, he is straight to the top of the list, Homer.
Don, would you see this again?
Yeah, I would.
How far are you willing to go?
There was just something small missing for me, but I can't give it the coveted.
I just can't.
Josh Hutchinson, then it.
You see what I think there?
Because he's short.
No, never mind.
No, no, but it's incredibly good.
And maybe just a tab long, but not too long, but I love what they put into it.
And I love how they did so much to detail to it.
I'll give it like the twilight two full price.
And I think it's one of those films that you know what I would love to see?
Is them do the room like we did and show this film right after?
Do the double feature.
I don't think you can do that.
Because the problem is you'll have everybody ramped up from the interactivity and they'll keep going.
Yeah.
I thought about that on the drive over.
I feel like you need to be able to buy both films on Blu-ray together, though.
I would definitely see this film again.
I don't care how you have to do it.
You owe it to yourself to go see the room in a theater and then go see this film.
Because again, you can enjoy it without it, but you appreciate it so much more if you do.
And that's the thing I can't give the coveted because what if you haven't seen the room?
Do you feel you would have enjoyed it enough if you hadn't seen the room?
I wouldn't, if I haven't seen the room, I wouldn't have joined it near as much.
Okay, that's fair.
And to see the room how we saw it.
Oh, absolutely.
We did.
How it happened for me is ideal.
Going in, not knowing the film, seeing the film for the first time, like we saw it, then seeing this film after.
So if you didn't see the room how we saw it and all know all the story about it, this film is good.
But you wouldn't understand how Franco plays Wassau so well.
Oh, absolutely.
You know what I'm saying?
If you see the film without seeing the room, you're going to think, okay, this is all right.
You know, I was freaking away.
Yeah, I mean, well, at the point, this guy's annoying, but then you see that's the problem I have with it.
That's why I can't give it the full coveted.
But you know what I would tell people to do for this film?
What's that?
Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, yeah!
Will you focus?
Oh, careful, careful, careful.
That word almost made me a little nervous.
They're done.
But again, go see the room.
Go see the disaster artist.
And again, don't watch it for the first time at home.
Go to a theater where they're doing the midnight style shows and check it out.
You owe it to yourself to do that.
It is James Franco doing everything under the moon for the disaster artist.
Ready to sing again?
Yeah, we are.
Al, I did a great at marketing.
I think Melissa got to think, hi, Danny.
Got to think the whole crew.
But you just got here by Danny.
You used to be my friend.
I was going to say, I was going to say, you didn't just get here because we're in minute 34.
Although not the longest one of these we've ever done, this might be top five.
All right.
So should we go into it more?
No, no, we need to get to the plugs if we're in a dinner time and I'm hungry.
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So until next time, for Alex for Don for the Empire,
I'm Rob. Clubhouse is closed.
And yes, as bad as this film is,
Brittany Palmer would definitely make it better.
I mean, for real, for real, for real, for real, for real, for real.
I have a, ever.

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