iTunes Exclusive Episode Suffragette

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My name is Rob.
I am the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and I'm a big fan of history.
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He is Chad.
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Whenever we do one of these episodes it's usually to review something and this particular
episode is no different.
We are here today to review the latest film from director Sarah Gavron who doesn't have
a lot.
This is only her second feature she's ever directed after Brick Lane that she did with
screenwriter Abby Morgan.
It is called Suffragette.
Terry Mulligan.
Ben Wishah Helena Bonham Carter and Marie Duff.
Meryl Streep names you might know.
Here's what you need to know.
This takes place at just past turn of the 20th century England and it is basically the
story of women fighting for rights for equal pay and being able to vote.
And the lengths that they will go to in order to achieve these goals.
Before we begin we got to think we have to think Candace we have to think Julie at Merak
everybody at Focus features for vittness to this thing.
Yes thank you guys so much they're so good as a normal people.
So always put on a great presentation for us.
Our friend Scott was there as well helping out.
We are always so thankful for our venders that they have a lot to do with these things.
So thanks again Julie and Candace for inviting us this thing.
Kind of rocking an interactive vibe there.
They were that's some cool things going on for that screening.
This photo booth thing.
Oh yeah.
106 minutes so an hour 46 is your runtime on this.
Chad let's start with you the story itself.
Would you think not a pretty story I mean it's but that's not necessarily not an
a criticism it's it's it's not an indictment on the storytellers that's the
word for the purpose say but it it looks at this at this struggle for equality
through a relatively unflinching unblinking eye I mean warts and all you see just how bad
things were for women at the turn of the century the turn of the 20th century and people
kind of want to forget that we went through that period of our life and some countries
are still going through that period as we saw and this is really isn't a spoiler but
at the end of the film they show you the years that countries were given women were
given these rights and there's a couple at the end that expected this year and there's
not a lot of this year left yeah there's still waiting done yeah on on the plot I have
to make this which I put my rate and view at the klobspocass.com that's our website
the film seemed to drag for me like the cargo in 20 miles per hour and a 35 mile
power zone I just thought the storyline and plot just did not was not fast enough for me
now I understand what they were doing I understand what they're trying to get across
and at that point they really did I just thought it was too slow moving because they
gave you a lot of information up front they gave you a lot of information at the end
of the movie but in where they write you know historical things this happened here in
this app right there which we're not being spoiler free on we're just giving you
a way our being spoiler I mean that there's we're not seeing what's on the exact
yeah so for the prior be aware that there is going to be some and I'll agree with you
yeah the the past year the you know the pacing here is very slow especially in the
first half of the film for me what you kind of expect of a film like this but it
was exceptionally yes I understand where they cut the film off at the end but I
would have liked to see more of what happened after the event that's I can understand
it just I can just just put some words up there this happened here this happened
there I would like to see more of that in results that is arguably my biggest
criticism of this film was that we spent so much time and I'm trying to remain
as spoiler free as possible which we appreciate we spend so much time seeing how
horrible things were for women at the turn of the century and with this with this
character that carry Mulligan blazing particular you're thinking burden you know
it's a civilized country well I mean but but for for any for for any country that
it would be said in it's it's nothing but gut kick after gut kick after gut kick
and there's there's no I don't feel like there was any real light at the end of
the tunnel which granted I know that's probably how they felt at the time and maybe
that's the message that the filmmakers are trying to convey but give me something to
where I don't walk out of the theater and want to kick a cat I mean in this there's
some tough scenes to watch I mean a lot when you watch it like the cops hit the
women and with the Billy club recently yeah immediately it's like you would never see
that today no would be you know especially in Britain but it did happen back then
and they weren't afraid to show it oh not at all which I thought was it something
interesting that we talk about Helen and Bottom Carter in this film she is actually the
great granddaughter of H. H. Asquith who served as the prime minister of the UK for 1908 to 1916
and was a staunch opponent of the really wow coming from our friends at the internet movie
database thank you so much IMDB and one thing I'm positive I want to say though
the scenery the set in the look of the film that was so historic yeah that was going to be
one thing for me that if there's anything that really stood out for me in this film it's the
cinematography the set design the production design yeah there were moments where
the camera would open up the shot and I could feel my jaw drop like I was like wow
this looks amazing and what it really took me back to and this is a compliment trust me
I kept going back to Gangs of New York that yeah how gorgeous that looked
yeah it's historically correct absolutely and I was really blown away in that particular
aspect of the film from a story standpoint like I said the first I have a little slow for me
the last 20 minutes moves quickly it was it did for me like it was just like whoa whoa whoa
yeah and maybe it's just because the rest of it was so slow that the rest of that part of it
seemed fast but the weird thing for me here and was performance and I guess maybe this was
written this way on purpose but there there wasn't anybody that I can tell you right now
was a standout performance from because it's really as much as it is the story of Mod Watts played
by Carrie Moigan it wasn't ensemble piece at the same time right I thought I thought Moogan's
did good but after one empire on this on the poster it shows Merrill Streep and promoted through
the trailers and everything with her in it she has her own one she yeah she's only in that
film but what five ten minutes total if you get it for a bathroom break you might not see her
exactly but but but I will say this in in defense of that but I'm sworn in the empire that
and then where if you want to see a lot of real street you're not going to have I hear where you're
coming from but what what I want to say in defense of that is did you need her in this film
no no not at all and that's why I was kind of okay with it now granted this being set in Britain
and then talking about the king and knowing she played Margaret Thatcher in the Iron Lady was
a little weird for me but I just I thought that she was she played the role she needed to play
and exactly the right amount she needed to play it and there was nobody given the fact that we're
in the fourth quarter of the year you got everybody going you know wanting to get there for your
considerations deal done the crew is really if there's any awards to be done here it's going
to be to who we talked about before handling the the set design and all that but my my thing is I
just consider that kind of false advertisement to the empire you know but but movies do that all the
time down just warning them I just want to get the point across because I care about the empire
I know I appreciate that but I mean I but don't be wrong the rest of the acting I I did like
what the job that Morgan did what Duff did what Carter did oh no I'm not saying that was bad it just
wasn't like it didn't like it didn't like I didn't like I struck that this person deserves
the best actress not right and there's one scene where I thought Moigan really kind of brought it
and it's the scene where she's explaining herself to the inspector to bring in Gleason to
Brendan Gleason's character but nothing that Brendan I I just lost it I just lost where he was but
there was no he's inspector Arthur Steadis who he plays but thought he didn't credible I thought he was
he didn't but I have a standout if he's always good that's my thing but Brendan Gleason is always
good there was nobody in this that that just hit me like a freight train and made me go yes
did them statues now that being said carry Morgan has already won the actress of the year for this
from the Hollywood film awards really yes what did carry Morgan okay I I think of a shout out
it might mind this gonna go to Gleason when it comes to the acting in this film it goes to him but I
know like you say it's like Paul G. and you know what you're gonna get right everybody out
again but I still regardless of how good he is I still think that he did the best job of
everybody and he deserves acknowledgement on it no you know that right I mean I'm saying you don't
that wasn't supposed to happen okay you know that's what I was supposed to do right there okay
thank you and for me it's more about cinematographer Edward Grow production designer Alice
Normington art directors Jonathan Holding and and Choi Ho Man set decoration Barbara Hermann
skilled in costume design Jane Petrie these are the people for me that were the standouts who do you
think made deserve an Oscar not or two because absolutely won't surprise me do I think this is
gonna get an nomination for best picture I don't but that's not a criticism of the film I enjoyed the
film I thought the film was very good it just for me it didn't have that it factor that would
push it over the top like some of the other films that we've seen recently yeah again fourth quarter
everybody wants there for your considerations to happen exactly well it's just my my my my my my take on
it was that it was it was a very important film that that needed to be made it was a so it was a
story that needed to be told agreed my own my biggest beef with it though was that they
centered on a character that doesn't exist and I think there there were so many other people
that were involved in that struggle that did exist that would have made them more and there were
people in the film that that did exist and I really wish they would have focused on them more
rather than this one peripheral character fictional character where just bad thing after bad
thing continuously because a male Streep's character her her great granddaughter and her great
great granddaughter actually have scammyo roles in the film I mean she her character did exist but
not all of them did right but I will say one person that was from an acting standpoint ahead of
the curve that I put them on is Helen a bottom Carter I am not the world's biggest Helen like
bottom Carter fan she's serviceable she's good I just don't put her on the pedestal that a lot of
people in the industry do here I thought she was very good she was above the curve that I put her
at but what I nominated her for an Oscar I wouldn't know and I don't I don't it was a weird feeling
for me because on one hand I was like this is kind of what they're going for but on the other hand
I was like maybe they're really not and maybe they're just trying to put together and put on the
screen a good story which again a good story a little slow but I think you have a lot of ground
work to make everybody understand the struggles that these women went through. One thing that I think
maybe even worth pointing out to a certain segment of the audience is that we had comments going on
behind us of people that couldn't quite make out the dialogue because this takes place in turn
of the century London and their accents are quite thick yeah it was your wife of British descent
able to understand yeah yeah I mean and so was I because again I live with a British woman
you have for the better part of six years now and five years now there may be people that have
that same problem that can't quite make out what people are there there are certain
they're laying that is there were moments that it got a little muddy for me but I it didn't take
away from what I was trying to watch I could gather what was going on given the situation
but you know you also you have this is kind of you have to pay attention you know don't
don't read Facebook while you're watching this movie you know don't live tweet the movie just
watch the movie and enjoy it for what it is which let's be honest they shouldn't be doing that
any well in a movie theater but I'm talking about if people end up watching this on a home
home video of some form anything else before we get to the final analysis before we end
again we got to think Ash Julie and Candace focused and Ash didn't because they're all
yeah but yeah of course focus features for bonus to this thing thanks again guys
all right the way we do the final analysis on this show we don't give you thumbs up thumbs
down we don't give you letter grades we don't give you ranked one to ten we don't give you stars
our audience whom we affectionately refer to as the empire is better than that
we're gonna ask two questions or at least I am first question is would you see this film again
if the answer is no then we're done here if the answer is yes my second question will be how far
are you willing to go to watch this again would you pay full price would you go to a twilight
matinee early weekend morning would you wait until it's in second run to the dollar theater
would you venture out of your house to run it from red box would you stream it on Netflix
would you wait for it on cable done let's start with you would you see this film again yes
how far you will need to go uh i'm between the red box and the dollar theater because if you
want to see the theater only paid dollar for it but if not if you still interested at that point
red box would still be good chat would you see this film again I don't think so it's just it was
you seem like you're just on that side of note yeah it's not like you're putting your foot down
emphatically yeah but is it is it more i've seen it i wouldn't see it again right it's it's it's
not the kind of film that you enjoy it's the kind of film that you survive would you recommend it to somebody
who hadn't seen i would recommend this to be shown in history classes and in such you know it's
it's it's an important story to be told and i don't know if this story has ever been told this
brutally you know this and i don't know that you would even have to edit anything out of it they say
that there's brief nudity but i don't think that there was anything the scene that they have to
be talking about wasn't that bad no yeah i mean it's there's some violence don't get me wrong but
i don't think there's any violence that would make me want to edit any part of this if it was shown
in a school yeah if if they have and i know that there are schools that have shown similar
list unedited in schools if they had no problem with this that point then they should have no
problem with this i i would watch it again but i think i would wait for it on cable as a second
viewing i would recommend it's like hp or something like that yeah but for a first viewing i would
say get it from get it from red box you know something that you said last night when we were
walking out was don't make that your last stop of the night yeah don't yeah don't don't make that the
the pinnacle of your evening because you're gonna want some some decompressed time after it but i mean
it's it's it's good it's not great yeah it's very very serious it's very very deep
prepare yourself for that it's very well i wouldn't say avoided it all but but if you're a fan of
cinematography and stuff like that yeah yeah the looks and the historical yeah anything else where
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