iTunes Exclusive Episode Phantom Thread

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Number just keeps climbing man. Welcome.
My name is Rob, I am the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and in my own way I'm a bit of a fashionista.
My taste may not agree with a lot of people, but that makes it what it is.
But I'm not alone for this episode. Joining me across the desk as he tends to do from time to time is a man who's walks the catwalk with attitude.
You may know him as fond on go.
It is my name I'm Don Ford. I'm gonna call him Don Ford. Welcome sir.
I'm allergic to cats.
You do fine with the two here?
Not around him that long.
Yeah. But that's not what I was talking about. The catwalk is the thing that the models walk down.
Imagine me on that thing.
Oh, I think it would be wonderful.
I'll do it. I know you would. That's the beauty of it.
Put me in one of those little pink tutus.
No, I understand like put you just put in your regular clothes.
Do you like a Steelers fashion show?
You would do it. Totally do it.
In Paris.
Whatever we do one of these is to review something and this is no exception.
Paul Thomas Anderson is back in what could be a very...
historic film.
And it is called Phantom Thread.
Before we start this whole thing.
Yes sir.
We got to think Caitlin and everybody at Slifox.
Xeniny. Xeniny. Xeniny. Xeniny. Xeniny.
We're such fans of everybody at Slifox.
They let us see films ahead of time
so we can talk to the Empire
and help them make the best decisions they can for their entertainment dollar.
So here's what you need to know.
What's here? Daniel Day Lewis.
Great actor.
Oh wait no I'm sorry there's more.
He plays Reynolds Woodcock
who is a renowned dressmaker in 1950s London.
So he says like he's from London.
No is this based on a true story that you know?
No. No no no.
It is fictionalized of stories that have been told.
But it is completely fictional.
But it's kind of like the Versace of the day.
Kind of sort of.
He's world renowned.
He's dressed royalty.
He's a little cookie.
Yeah. He's a little weird.
Oh CD.
You could say that's something.
Oh no he has OCD.
But he wouldn't have been diagnosed that way back then.
But he's just he would be seen as eccentric.
Yes.
Well after he does this beautiful dress
for I believe a Baroness.
He's going to get a town for a little while.
He works with his partner.
He's also his sister named Cyril.
Played by Leslie Manville.
He meets a waitress by the name of Alma.
Played by Vicky Creeps.
Creeps. Creeps. Creeps.
Something like that.
Now let's kind of base the thing that he is a well known bachelor
has relationships.
Can't keep that relationship going too well.
Okay. I want to add that.
Right.
He meets her.
Completely goes Gaga for her.
She's kind of free spirited and significantly younger.
So it's about their
evolution as a couple.
Kind of sorta.
Yeah.
And how it affects his
business.
Let me just say this first though.
Oh god no.
Almost 2.25 hours.
Two hours ten minutes two hours fifteen.
Give her take.
It's a long two ten brother.
Ooh it's a long two ten.
Watch cage.
I have to think for a minute because
our screen actually started a little bit late.
So I have to do the math.
Yeah. I want to see 25 minutes.
Okay.
But how often are you watching after that?
Quite often.
Not every 10 minutes.
10 to 15. Yeah.
Going okay. Okay.
Not turn smell bad.
No.
But Paul Thomas Anderson
loves.
This is the guy that did boogie nights.
This is the guy that did Magnolia.
You know this is the guy that's there
will be blood inherent vice.
And so I mean it's like that down your day
Lewis. He's worked with them before.
For those of you who don't know,
he's very method.
So once he gets into a character,
he never works out of character during a film.
Like when he did Lincoln,
he was Lincoln the entire time with other cameras rolling or not.
But this is rumored to be his last film.
He's retiring now.
A friend of mine on a former boss,
Brett Sable, I have to give him credit for this joke.
He said, unless his next movie is about an actor
who's getting ready to retire from acting
and he's so method that that's what he's doing.
Which I think goes hilarious.
Well, plates are quick.
No, you know what in the name of the father?
Which I love that film.
You know that scene when they interrogated him for a week?
He literally stayed up for three days before they stood up.
Because he's a method actor.
He intentionally stayed up for three days straight
before they started shooting those scenes.
I treat your milkshake.
He's great.
I mean, he's always great.
He's Daniel Day Lewis.
The guy that he's going to draw.
He got dominated for Golden Globe for this.
As did the composer of the score.
Which...
And I don't see the Golden Globe on this one for him.
He didn't win the Golden Globe.
I don't believe it.
No, he did not win the Golden Globe.
Some of these associations...
Johnny Greenwood did this.
Some of these media associations like the Globes and other
even critic associations
have put him as best actor.
And I don't get it because...
Well, first of all, he's excellent in this.
He's amazing in this.
He plays that role.
He's good in it.
But this is not going to be...
When they do his lifetime achievement award,
this is not going to be up there.
It's kind of like when REM or U2
or the stones go on the road.
When you talk about greatest hits.
That's a deep catalog.
Yeah.
So for Daniel Day Lewis to pick his best roles.
I mean, that's a deep catalog.
It just is.
But this won't be on it.
He's very good in it.
Yeah, I can see this one going either way.
Because he really does convey the character well.
He really does disappear into the character for me.
But my issue, number one, is the pacing.
It's incredibly slow.
It's beautiful.
It's beautifully shot.
It looks gorgeous.
But it's so slow.
And my other problem with it is...
I feel like in this film,
Paul Thomas Anderson wasn't sure what he wanted this film to be.
Because he shoots it at a very
60's
French European style,
especially when it comes to the score.
But also mixes in
a little bit of a hitchcock vibe to it.
And a little bit of merchant ivory.
And there's a little bit of that 80's
dramatic sensibility to it.
And it just, it meander so much,
there's some time jumping in there
that I wasn't quite prepared for it at first.
It just...
Well acted.
I think that Vicki Cripps does a great job
going toe-to-toe with him.
Leslie Manville does a great job
as that intermediate between them.
Because she doesn't really like Alma.
Cyril doesn't really like Alma,
but she tolerates her and she understands
how good she is for her brother.
So you can see that through that performance.
But this is just...
For me...
I can see what they're trying to do.
This is going to be one of those little Oscar
Foo-Foo things, because
it's the Oscar...
It's all time to say Anderson,
Dean J. Lewis, it's Oscar bait.
Let's be right.
Because it's one of those little Foo-Foo things.
Don't be wrong.
I can understand the style of films
that are slow moving.
Like Gossford Park,
which I put in my written video.
That's a great film.
But they did it right.
This one did not do it right.
This is what we told you.
It's a love story.
You've got a guy who's a famous closed maker
who finds this lady
who starts your relationship with
and how the relationship grows.
On multiple levels.
And you can have a fixed business.
But that's it for two hours and ten minutes.
You could have made this.
You could have trimmed at least 30 minutes.
I'd say at least 30 minutes off of this.
Because the conversation is kind of weird.
I'll roll with it.
I was just okay.
Yeah, it's just.
And give you an idea.
The Fantastic Faith Ford was my plus one on this.
She normally is.
And you know how she's kind of getting these movies
and stuff like this.
It would be my plus one.
She's starting to get more exposure to film.
She on during this thing.
And at the end she goes.
I mean, I can see the people.
The art for art say kind of people.
Because this thing's doing very well in Rotten Tomatoes.
And I don't. I just don't see.
I don't get it.
But right now.
I mean, I said in my written review
at www.theclubhousepodcast.com.
Which is still our website.
That Paul Thomas Anderson is one of those directors
that makes me sometimes question my credibility as a critic.
Because I try to have a foot in both of those worlds.
I try to have the foot in the critic world.
And I try to have a foot in the every man world.
Yeah.
So I can try to balance those two things
when I review a film.
But I just don't see what the critics see.
I mean, I see Daniel DeLuis as an amazing actor.
And you can say that about any of his films.
But like I like Boogie Knights.
I really did.
And Paul Thomas Anderson directed that well.
But he also directed a touch truck love.
Which I thought was a flaming pile.
And so he doesn't get an automatic pass.
I don't believe in that.
But it's a film that totally took me a minute to get.
Because I had to read the trivia on IMDB
to grasp the whole thing.
There will be blood.
Good film.
And hair and vice is incredibly disappointing
from a story standpoint.
There will be blood.
It's a film that's just long.
Yeah.
It's just one of some people could do long movies
and make it great like Tarantino.
But this guy can't.
Not in this particular area.
Yeah.
All right. Let's get to the final analysis.
The way we do the final analysis on this show.
We're not going to give you a thumbs up, thumbs down.
We're not going to give you numbers, letter grades,
thimbles, anything like that.
We're going to ask two questions.
Question number one is, would we see this film again?
If the answer is no, we're done here.
But if the answer is yes, then here's the spectrum
from best of the best to the worst of the best.
Full price at a theater.
Down to Matt Nay.
Down to Twilight Showing.
Down to Matt Nay.
Down to actually leaving your house to get it from red box.
Or streaming on Netflix.
Or just watching it on cable.
Don, would you see this again?
No. I'm going to agree with you.
First one of the year, this is my favorite.
Unless I see 10 worst films in this show.
Make my top 10 worst of the year.
Yeah, I know it's early.
But this will probably make my top 10 worst of the year.
I couldn't sit through it again.
Again, great performance is beautifully shot.
It's just that it's such a thin script that I can get through.
One way to get it is if you had
you bought that burger and milkshake
and it comes out beautiful looking burger.
milkshake with the frosty
you know mug and all that.
Then you bite into that.
It looks lettuce.
You bite into an it taste salty.
That's it looks beautifully.
But the premise that heart is just
it.
That's fair. Yeah.
I mean it's it's Paul Thomas Anderson.
It's Phantom Thread.
Sir, we got to thank your friends at Sly Fox.
Zimini. Zimini. Zimini. Zimini.
Kate, one thanks for the invite.
We love you guys so much. Thank you so much.
We're such fans of you guys for helping us out to see movies
so that we can talk about them with our audience.
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