iTunes Exclusive Episode Jackie

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The 246, one of the somewhere in there. My name is Rob Yame, executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and I live in the Dallas area. But I'm not alone for this particular episode, joining me across the desk as he tends to do is my co-host and a man who has lived in the Dallas area longer than I have, because it's been his whole life.

He is Chad and welcome sir. I was born and down down down, yes you are. And next to him is the official fact checker of this show, and a man who has been called the conspiracy theorist, at least once in his life.

You may know him as fun, don, go, but his mom and even don Ford, I'm going to call him Don Ford. Sir, Mr. People are trying to rule the world.

Told you. And none of them look like Marina Bakker and Zachary. And the movement he was faked.

That's your boy, that's your boy. Whatever we do one of these things, it is to review something and this one is no exception. Today, we were reviewing a film by a director who kind of has a little something going that not a lot of people realize.

This is a very rare thing, join a very rare club, when a director has wide releases of two films on the same day. Director Pablo Lorraine releases a movie called Naruda, but he is also releasing a movie called Jackie. But we start this whole thing.

Yes, sir. We have to thank Julie and everybody at Slyfox. Zinyini.

Zinyini. Zinyini. I will not continue.

Zinyini. I will not continue to go to this. You have to.

Thank you so much for the invite. Some of our favorite people who love them to death. This is the story of Jackie Kennedy before the O'Nassus, because the O'Nassus is not addressed in this film.

It's place from starting on November 23, 1963, when her husband, John F. Kennedy, was assassinated in our fairberg, and pretty much covers the events over the next week. Most of it told in flashback, as she is interviewed by a guy that's not named but is believed to be a life magazine reporter who termed, who coined the term, Camelot for them.

He did by Billy Kudra, I'm sorry, I can't even say that. I can never get mad. I always get it wrong too, yeah.

The title role played by Natalie Portman, let me just run down some of the other people that are in this for you, because Chad, you are, you know, I was not able to. Otherwise, book that night, Peter Sire's guard plays Bobby, Greta Gerwig is in this John Hurt is in this, Max Casella with a great turn in this as well. I'm not even going to, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I'm just going to say it.

As of right now, or as of the end of my 100 minutes viewing this film, best picture, best director, best actress, just got real interesting. This film was amazing, on so many levels, how so visually it looks like a film that was done in the 60s, which was a bold choice by Lorraine, because it doesn't, it doesn't look like digital photography, it actually looks like it was, it's not, it's not gritty, it just has that feel of being done in the 60s. Like you're living at that time, like you were there, like like filters and stuff like that.

Yeah, like it's just really well done in the 90s, when you look back and you see some that footage back in the 60s and see that they, the way it's filmed it makes you feel like you're watching it in that style, like you're actually there from what you remember from the footage and everything like that. Well, because they actually use some of the actual footage in it, which on a certain level works to its detriment, because Sire's guard doesn't look much like body, so when they cut to the actual footage, there's a bit of a dichotomy there for me. He does a great job in the film, but he really didn't, like I'd ever, was bought him as Bobby Kennedy.

I'm having a really hard time trying to picture him, the guy down the guy that played Jack, Casper Phillips and I am DB him real quick, okay. That dude was spot on as JFK, brought it. It just that one blew my mind.

Then we get to Portman, let me explain my vision of why I said what I said, just a little while ago. Because you know Jackie was the first, first lady to do a televised tour of the White House in 1961. Yes.

When they're showing the scenes where they're filming this tour, when they cut to what people at home were seeing, they didn't use the actual footage for this, but they re-enacted everything and it looked like it had been filmed in 1961. They used the actual audio that she and everybody involved lip sync too. That's freaky.

So when they cut back to the behind the scenes as they're filming it, Portman's doing the dialogue and you can't tell the difference. That's impressive. It's that good.

It's that scary good. That blew me away. For the first about 30 seconds, it took me a minute to settle in.

Because the first scene you see her, she's opening the door as crewed-ups character is coming into the house in Maine. Once she walked it in for me, I was sold to rest of the film. She kills this.

I'm trying to find the guy you're telling there he is, okay. Guys, perfumes him. Yeah.

You're still looking him up. This, this guy, scary looks like this. Holy.

Yeah. Geez. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. That's bizarre. And I mean, he embodies JFK too in this film.

Whew. It's an important Denmark level. Yeah.

Go figure. Now, I have spoken my piece. I'm going to open the Florida Don.

Put your seatbelts on kids. If you go to my written review at www.theclubassparkass.com, that's our website. I put on there.

For me, Portman did not work. I'm going to give you some light. I'm going to lean back in my chair.

Yeah. I leaned back to mine. I didn't say a word.

I didn't say a word. I didn't say a word. For me, it was trying to do that accent, that fake accent, what I call or whatever.

And for me, it didn't work. I just, uh, when I was watching this, I'd really thought that she was trying to fake the accent so bad. And for me, it did not work in a god and knowing after about the first two minutes in the port for the rest of the film, it just turned me off so bad because it was just trying to, there's been some of those roles like concussion, give an example, or we'll Smith trying to do that accent in it did not work, because acting was incredible, but it did not work.

So I just agree with you there because that thought he was amazing. Well, but that him was trying to do that accent did not work. That's like me trying to do the same thing in for Portman.

Just, she was not perfect for the role. She did not work for the role because it just got annoying every time I heard her talk. Okay, let me ask you this, because we really have to put this in proper framework.

And this is a question I don't know the answer to, but I'm asking you this live on air. How do you heard Jackie talk? Yes, I have many times.

See, this is where my disconnect comes from because she was that on. I thought she was way off and faked it too bad. I got annoying to me and that's just my opinion and that's what we're, you know, that's what we're here for is to give our opinions on stuff.

No, agreed. And the other thing that got me was the way they portrayed Jackie, and see, this is where we're going to disagree to because it made her look like some points in this film. What do you mean?

Very vindictive. And she acted mentally like she was about four cans short of a six pack. And you said that in your review, make sure your mic's fully on because it's kind of popping on me.

Here would be my response to that. Her husband had just been shot in front of her. This is where we're going to disconnect to because I see it from a completely different angle.

For me, she played it exactly as I would have expected Jackie's mind frame to be. She was a very headstrong woman. What I really liked about it, switch microphones with something's popping real bad on you.

I'm going to change it to a different microphone, go to that one. She closer to the end of the film admits because they talk about she's the one that wants to do the procession. And she actually says, you know what, this is, I've realized that this is for me, it's not for him.

But even though she has that moment of realization, as we know from a history teaches us, the procession still happens. I think she portrayed a grieving widow that had no clue she was going to be a grieving widow. She's not, you're talking about a woman who is, could not be more in the public spotlight if she tried.

So you've got, you're the first lady, you're a widow, you have to, you have to explain this to your two children while trying to keep your personal thing together as you're basically being kicked out of your house with somebody else moving into it. Someone that if found for a member correctly, she didn't, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, make sure to make sure the mic's on. I'm not discounting your opinion in any way, shape or form.

Yeah, I got you. Yeah, here's, here's, I'll give you the best example. Okay, right at the beginning, okay.

She's, when he talked then reporter talked or her about the job she did, showing the White House. Uh-huh. And she, and he said something like, you know, you'd be able to, you're like, you should been, you've been a reporter.

And her mentality was like, so you tell me what to do with my fan? It was a very, a major look as a very harsh, crass woman. But given what that woman went, I don't know, but it did that too awful or a major like very crass.

Don't tell me what to do. Are you trying to tell me what to do and I think she, I know, I see where you're coming from. I totally see where you're coming from.

I just see her differently because of not only what she was dealing with at the time, but you look back at their marriage, there was a ton of instability. Oh, I know that, you know, and I think that she's pretty, she's still stood headstrong, did what she had to do. And this bill behind the scenes that showed her that she was loony as a band, crass it could be me.

I just, we're definitely going to have to agree to disagree because, well, okay, let them ask this then. Because I'm not, you know, I don't have a horse in this race, but I see it. You don't.

Do you think she was inaccurately forged or unfairly portrayed, don't? 100%. And Don says that in his written review, we said, www dot the clubhouse podcast.com, which is our website.

Thank you for somebody picking up the slack there. There was a little bit of a pause there. Cause I was waiting for him to do it first or what's I think I think for what I know of Jackie, it was spot on, but Don and I are going to have to agree to disagree on this because I'm going to tell you when I was editing his review, I just sat there with my mouth just a gap that we, because we, this, I don't know that this ever happened that we've been this polar opposite on a film.

And I respect your opinion. Absolutely. No, no, that's the healthy discussion is what this show is all about.

Holy, I'm just in awe that we are this far apart because even you and I, Chad, have never been this far apart on a movie. Well, ever. I was outside of stupid boat movie and thought it was real, even though it's not what 90 minutes roughly, you've ever, it's 100 minutes.

Yeah, I thought it'd dread. See, I did it. I totally didn't.

Okay, as a point of reference, because, you know, we all grew up around the same time. Correct. We missed the Camelot era because, by about a decade, we weren't alive yet.

But just as a point of reference here, what is the collective opinion given that we were still relatively young when she was in power in this room of Margaret Thatcher? I had no issue with her. Okay, Dawn.

Margaret Thatcher. Margaret Thatcher. Prime Minister of the Iron Lady.

Yeah, which I was kind of young, I was only a little, you know, but yeah, she's a well-respected, but toughest in the else. Okay, and the same, and I was the same way, she was, she was Prime Minister during the Reagan administration. I know where you're going with this.

And I got nothing but good positive vibes from her. I respected her, but I didn't know that much about her. And then I married a Brit who cannot stand her.

That is true story. That is true story. So looking at things through a certain lens, we have a perception of people that we kind of come up with on our own indeed, and we think we're dead on, and then we see another person's take on it that was actually there.

And we realize, wow, maybe we weren't all that right about this person in the first place. So maybe that's what's going on that you, we all have a perception of what Jackie was like. And we want to believe that that's how she was.

That's not how she was. That's fair. Yeah, that's absolutely fair.

Yeah. Just it was, I was really looking forward to this particular special edition because I Don's review had come to me way before we recorded this. I was very, very interested in how that was going to work out.

So I mean, I don't know that there's anything left to say, but to put some ratings on this thing. You all've made me want to see it if or no, the reason for the way we write things on this show. We're not giving you thumbs up, thumbs down, numbers, lettered grades of, you know, smoke signals, anything like that.

Two questions. That's probably going to further. I think the only one we've been so far apart was Amy.

I never saw Amy. They were pretty far apart on episode seven last year. That's fair.

Yeah. So two questions. Question number one, is would you see this film again, if the answer is no, then we're done here.

If the answer is yes, then it's going to be a ranking system that we have. Spectrum runs from top to bottom like this. First run in the theaters, twilight, matinee, early morning, second run, red box net flicks, cable, don, would you see this film again, no, all right, even it, I could call it at that.

I would see this film again, but I'm going to put an interesting caveat on this. I would say it's worth your money to see a theater evening show. One of my favorite films of the year.

However, roll with me on this, don. You remember early on in our, in our, you know, we were a little baby reviewer. Yeah.

We saw a movie called Parkland. Yeah. I am saying that you should watch this in a double feature, Parkland first.

And then Jackie. Because. Oh, yeah, I agree with you on that.

Parkland doesn't address her very much, no, she's in it maybe five minutes. Yeah. I think if you followed Parkland with this film, it would give you a more complete view of what of the events that happened because when they show her on the plane with his casket, they don't really explain how the casket on the plane and why it was there.

Where Parkland actually goes into that a little bit deeper. I think these two films are good companion pieces to each other that you could watch and and either one of them is very long, so you do not come both out any way, I would see that again. Okay.

Jack. That's fair. I'll give you that.

Pablo Lorraine and for you, this thing again, yes, I'll take you with the jewelry and everybody at Sly Fox. See you. See you.

See you. See you. Oh, guys.

Thank you. Thank you. All right.

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