iTunes Exclusive Episode Forgotten Four

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Joining me across the desk is the official fact checker of this show.
And a man that maybe believes he roots for the right team.
Some might debate that.
You may know him is Don Ford.
We also call him Fawn Don Go Welcomester.
I don't want to talk about my Steelers and Baltimore.
Okay, fair enough.
I would say it was bad.
We didn't show up.
Also, joining Don and I this evening as a casual observer.
Perhaps asking some questions along the way is my co-host for this show.
He is also producer on this show.
And a man who right now probably doesn't have much use for AT&T stadium.
He is Chad Welcomester.
No, he does not.
Oh, God, I like it.
The way you describe a wall.
You acknowledge it's existence, but have no real use for it.
Right.
I feel you're paying after my team last night.
We'll leave it at that.
In this particular episode, we are going to be discussing a documentary that will be debuting
on the epics network that is EPIX.
For those of you that have that available on your particular cable system.
It is called for gotten for the integration of pro football.
It's about 59 minutes long.
It's about an hour.
Yeah.
And it features Kenny Washington, Woody Strode, Marion Motley, and Bill Willis.
These names may not mean much to you, hence the name of the documentary.
Although one of them I recognized going in.
But these were the guys that kind of broke the color barrier a little bit in professional football.
And a time where people, if you were not white,
it was very difficult to get things done.
But these guys, not really, I wouldn't call them revolutionaries.
They were just guys that wanted to play sports.
And they were very, very good at it.
I mean, to me, the Hall of Fame in D.
And first of all, we want to thank our friends at Allied Integrated Marketing,
actually in the crew over there for inviting us out to AT&T Stadium.
Yeah, we got to see that out.
So watch free popcorn and that's right.
So Jerry, we never gives it any more free.
We really caught a horn and sort of on a 60 yard wide screen.
We got to watch this in a very booming sound system as well.
There were probably about 200 of us probably somewhere around.
In a stadium that seats 100,000 if you get it down that fall.
So we kind of had run to the place, which is kind of cool.
Walking in there in empty stadium, just kind of like, you know, wow.
This is cool and empty.
So let's talk about this is produced by eight time P body award winning producer Ross Greenberg.
Let's talk.
You know what, don't I'm going to let you start this off.
What did you think about the story telling itself?
Because being a documentary, we can't really talk performance.
Yeah, exactly.
So there really is going to be no performance on this.
The documentary itself.
It was your basic standard documentary.
It did.
I watch.
I'm a, I am a guy who loves the National Geo Channel Discovery, all those history.
I like documentaries.
I like to get documentary.
But it was nothing that was out of the standout kind of documentary.
It was, here's the story.
Here's what's going on.
Here's the point we're trying to tell.
Here's the history lesson.
And let's tell you what it was like living at that time.
For me, I thought that the story telling itself was very strong.
It kept my attention.
I very much enjoyed the way it was laid out.
One of the people featured in it, of course.
Don Shulo and Jerry Coach of the Miami Dolphin.
So you know, you've got my attention at that point.
I will warn our listeners.
There are some very graphic images, especially in the beginning of this thing,
to really drive home.
What race relations were in the 20s and 30s and 40s.
And they use the, I said the end word in this.
I mean, but they're doing quotes and stuff.
Right.
You know, but it's history.
It's something that you're not ignoring.
Here's what it was.
Here's what we're trying to tell you what it was like.
Everyone from scholars to reporters to teammates,
to the kids and even grandkids of these four gentlemen themselves,
from different walks of life.
Washington and Strode, of course, very close friends from college on horse.
Motley and Willis kind of came from different paths,
but their paths became when they became teammates.
They crossed exactly.
I really thought this was really, really well done.
Well, it's a great documentary.
The storyline, how they told it, it didn't really stand out,
but I like what they gave me.
It's a substance.
Exactly.
If I have a good meal, I don't care whether the salad or the pasta comes out first.
Just, this long as the meal is good, that's what I was.
Well played sir.
Well played.
So I mean, it went into like a kind of normal documentary,
but I loved what they told us in what I learned on that.
I really enjoyed this myself.
For me, it was good to see some younger kids there,
because there is the old saying that, you know,
those who did not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
And I think that we don't spend enough time in this day and age,
talking about history.
And why things are the way they are and what people went through
to get through to this point.
And I really hope that the younger generation was there,
really paid attention to this.
Because it really was a very, very,
although it was a stark look at the way things were.
It was a very real look at the way things were.
They did not hold back any punches on this.
This was very storing, kind of some graphic, you know.
They described a lot of graphic stuff there.
And even there was differences between the two teams that that
I really did not know the,
the ones who played Los Angeles and two played in Los Angeles,
two played in Cleveland.
Correct.
And the ones in Los Angeles,
they kept them on the field.
So the teammates were not get on them.
You know,
and then in Cleveland,
we don't care,
remember that ball guys saying,
oh, you know,
you know,
Brown's son, he owns the team now.
Yeah, but if you want to say,
and well, if you change the rules,
and I'm going to change my rules,
you know,
let's have some fun.
Chad,
any thoughts of the discussion you've heard so far?
I wish I'd seen it.
You know,
for those that haven't seen it,
it's going to be premier on the epic's network,
September the 23rd at eight Easter.
What I like about it is,
you don't,
you invest in an hour of your life.
And although that's great,
it also leads to my one criticism.
For me,
I wanted more.
You know,
I was talking,
we,
you know,
this got was with us front of the show,
the King of Boeing Andrew Beckham,
was with us.
One of the things that I said afterwards was
what I would really,
really like that,
what they've done,
is turn this into a four-part mini series.
Of at least an hour,
if not an hour and a half,
do one on Kenny Washington,
one on Woody Strode,
one on Marion Motley,
and one on Bill Willis.
I think that would have been awesome.
Because I really,
although they gave you a good overview of the stories
of these four gentlemen,
I really wanted to know more.
I wanted to go deeper.
I wanted to really understand
truly,
because they talk about,
you know,
how they went back to normal lives.
One of them went back to working with the LAPD.
Exactly.
You know,
I wanted to know more about that,
but I know when you've got four stories to tell
and you're trying to do it in an hour.
You know,
we see some great stuff,
recently with Houdini on the History Channel.
If anybody,
for me,
which I know you very much enjoyed,
the lovely and talented Mrs. Irvin enjoyed it as well.
The people from the History Channel are listening,
and they want some ideas for their next kind of,
you know,
there's the Hatfields of McCoy's.
That was a great miniseries.
Yeah, and Houdini,
and they've had the World Wars.
Keep this one in mind.
They can make it good for you,
two, three,
four night event on this thing on the History Channel.
Absolutely.
I thought this was amazing.
And I think it also helps tell a larger story
that maybe needs to be told too.
These got these four guys,
and one of the things that I really liked,
and in this,
I don't know if you would call this a spoiler,
and Chad,
I don't know if you know this,
but Washington and Strode played together at UCLA.
And there was another guy on the team,
who would go on his own path.
Name Jackie Robinson.
Oh my God.
And they talk about how when Jackie Robinson,
got called up and played for the Dodgers,
that it kind of overshadowed what these guys were doing,
but these guys weren't really making a statement,
they just wanted to play ball.
And you know,
the fact that I didn't know that Jackie Robinson played football,
I didn't either.
That's news to me.
So in for 10 years,
I really,
one of the owners really kept the,
he said no way.
And the thing I could,
my make a point to this,
this is something I think they should show
to every current NFL player,
and to every future rookie when they do a rookie,
you know,
combine and stuff,
you watch this thing,
because these people come in the NFL today,
especially the African Americans,
they get to come in and have one heck of a career
in a lifestyle and all that stuff,
and they need to realize,
yeah,
you got to great now,
but you need to look back and see somebody,
somebody had to pave the road.
Yeah,
and they really paved it.
And these guys,
I mean,
it's just the story,
I wouldn't call it heartbreaking,
but the story itself is just so,
it grabs a hold of you,
and it doesn't let go.
And if you don't have epic,
find somebody who does,
have them record it for you.
So, and watch it.
This is really, really good.
And we really,
I don't know if we can,
you can do a final analysis on this,
because it's already going to be on cable.
So,
we,
I got an idea for fire.
Please do.
Please do.
First stop, we're going to do the,
would you watch this again?
Right.
We don't give you thumbs up thumbs down.
We don't give you a ranking stars,
because our people are empire.
So,
it turns into a,
a two-pronged question.
Prong number one is,
would you see this again?
If the answer is no,
we're done here.
But if the answer is yes,
how would you see it again?
Here's, here's what my criteria is.
Okay.
Go ahead, don't.
Would you watch it on the premier night?
Why of us it goes?
Would you DVR watch it that weekend?
Would you watch it on demand a month later?
Okay.
Or would you,
wait until,
the DVR is about to run out.
You got nothing else to throw it on.
I will defer to you on that.
This one I would watch it again.
Okay.
I am a second for documentaries.
As am I.
I'm,
the older I get in the more I'm enjoying the documentary.
Yeah,
but I would put this
to the empire out there
when it comes on,
watch it right away.
See,
I'm not,
for me,
I'm not a good gauge on that,
because I don't watch live television unless.
Yes,
because I live on my DVR,
as we have as well documented on this show.
Of course.
But I,
if,
if I were one who had not seen it,
I would say,
make sure you DVR at premier night and watch it as soon as possible.
It is an excellent documentary.
I love how,
and I love how candid,
especially the kids and the grandkids were about what they saw their fathers go through.
It's a great,
it's a great documentary to watch with your family,
regardless of who you are,
athlete,
non-athlete,
there's nobody that I don't think
wouldn't enjoy this documentary.
Congratulations to everyone involved,
again premiering on the epic network Tuesday,
September 23rd at 8 p.m. Eastern,
4 p.m. Pacific unless you've got the West Coast feed,
and then you can just do the math there.
If you don't have that,
call your local cable operator or satellite provider.
Get it on there.
Get it on there.
A lot of great stuff going on on that.
Yeah, I really,
I,
I was really surprised and how good this was.
And again,
we got first up.
Think you're bait out loud and actually,
and all of them.
And then of course,
people at Jerry World for having,
you know,
they had the people there at AT&T Stadium.
Let's say it right.
AT&T Stadium,
but you know,
they even had the people opening the doors for us there.
Yeah,
great, great experience.
Everybody was so kind and,
and the popcorn in the city.
Yeah,
real light atmosphere.
They provided us with drinks and,
and popcorn to watch with the film.
And some of the cowboys were there,
the whole time.
It was like,
it was a good experience.
It's just worth the drive easily.
100%.
So I'm glad I did go.
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