iTunes Exclusive Episode Fahrenheit 11-9
Rob and Don Ford review Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9, a political documentary about the events leading to the Trump presidency. Don saw the film and describes it as a left-leaning propaganda piece similar in style to Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, featuring Moore's narration, interviews, and activism—including a scene where he attempts to spray Michigan's contaminated water at the governor's mansion. The film runs over two hours and makes controversial allegations about Trump and Ivanka's relationship and comparisons between Trump and Hitler.
About this episode
Key takeaways
- Fahrenheit 11/9 is geared toward left-leaning and middle-road viewers; those on the political right are likely to reject it as propaganda
- Moore uses actual quotes and footage from Trump, though some may be taken out of context, particularly allegations about Ivanka and Trump comparisons to Hitler
- The film is structured non-linearly, jumping between different time periods and topics including the water crisis in Michigan
- Viewers should know their political leanings before watching, as the film is designed to reinforce existing beliefs rather than present balanced analysis
Q&A
Does Michael Moore narrate the film?
Yes, Moore narrates throughout and combines narration with footage, interviews, and public activism.
What is the film's stance on Trump's legitimacy?
Moore argues that Trump should not have won the election, suggesting through comparison to Hitler that he threatens democracy and may not allow elections in 2020.
How far would Don go to see Fahrenheit 11/9 again?
Don would see it at a matinee showing for middle-of-the-road viewers; he recommends those on the extreme right avoid it entirely.
How long is the film?
The film runs somewhere around two hours or slightly over.
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That's right, ladies. Whenever we do one of these, it is to review something, this is no exception. Michael Moore is back, taking...you can call it a sequel, but you can't call it a sequel, because it's kind of a play on another film he did.
This one's actually called Fair and Height 119. From a start to soul thing? Yeah, sure.
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They take care of us and let us see movies a little bit early, so we can talk to you guys about them and give you our honest opinions. Now, Don was able to see this one. I was not.
I actually wanted to check this one out. I just... It couldn't get lined up in my schedule.
In channels, able to see with me. Yeah, he's under the weather tonight. We hope he's getting better.
He's been having some health problems as of late. So basically what you need to know is this focuses on the...would you say the events leading up to the Trump presidency, or does it go through the Trump presidency? How close to now being September 20th, 2018?
How close does it go? It kind of starts from...it talks about from the time why he probably ran, because of the NBC contract, and you can say to that, makes kind of this hair brain theory about it. Well, Michael Moore and hair brain theory?
Yeah, but you, sir. Kristi Nagelar's a reason, because she made too much money on the voice, so he got mad and he didn't make as much as her. So, that's why he ran for president, because NBC cut the contract all that yaddy-addy.
Allegedly. Allegedly. So it talks from about the time of why he ran, and from going down that famous escalator to announce to the presidency, and it kind of goes back and forth in a new...
It's going to be a new, just going to be a men's... Different stages and all that, and it goes back and forth from one point to another point to another point. So is that very linear and jumps around a lot?
Yeah, it's very... Okay. And there's another part where he talks about the water issue in foot Michigan, him being from with himself, and he may really make that governor Michigan in a really, really good limelight.
Yeah. Is this one of those... Is does he narrate it?
Does he rely on the... Oh yeah. So he doesn't really necessarily rely on the interview footage.
He narrates it like he normally does. Yes. It's like most of the things where he will narrate and show some footage, have interviews, he will go out in public and do certain things also, like with the foot water thing, and this isn't a trailer, so this ain't spoiler.
He takes a big ol' one of those trucks that travel with liquid, one of those liquid containers, like a gas tanker, and tries to fill up the foot water and goes to the governor's mansion and start spraying the water over the property of the... Oh dear. Yeah.
You want to put water and start spraying the whole, you know, the grass or everything else to make a point. No! No!
No! So, I mean, it's Michael Moore being Michael Moore, and if he kind of saw it, it's kind of hard for me to explain, but it is what's kind of funny, because oh, there's no foot water. Okay.
There's no problem there. Here. Have some water.
Yeah. Knowing his... And this runs a little over two hours.
Somewhere around there. Knowing his propensity, do I want to say that he's very focused in his belief systems and his mores? Does that show here?
Or did you feel... Was it... Did you feel there was any bias to the things he was saying?
Oh, yeah. Okay. There's that one director who...
I can't even pronounce his name, who's done the anti-hillary and anti-phid... Obama films and then he did the new one, comparing Trump to Lincoln and how he... It's a propaganda piece.
Just like there's some films for the right, this is one for the left. Okay. This is just in a way as the same format as Fahrenheit 9-11 except instead of Bush, you got Trump.
It even starts off the same. Is this a dream? Then I wake up and it starts showing the footage, same music, same everything.
So it's kind of reminded of that. And the reason why I called Fahrenheit 11-9 is because that's the day that the election officially confirmed that he won. Right.
Yeah. This is going to be a very strange question. Yeah.
I'm going to tell you that ahead of time. Did you feel... How much amount of truth do you feel was in this?
I mean, and that's a question that's out of bounds. It's fine. No, no, no, no.
Is he saying... This is kind of a hard question because Trump's taking it with a grain of salt. You take it with a grain of salt because he does say stuff that's truth but in the world of politics do they always give the whole unbiased if Jesus was talking truth, no.
Okay. And that happens a lot of these pictures. They give half-truths and a lot of stuff is true.
I mean, yes, he ran and this happened and this happened and this happened. But some of it is a point of view stuff, too. And technically that's his point of view.
So... And there's always allegations and I got this proof to back it up. So how do we know it's true or not true?
That kind of thing. So you feel that this is the kind of film that people could watch and make a form judgment or is there other things that they should watch that would balance it so people could make a better form judgment? I think it's just like...
This is a film for the people on the political left. Do you feel that it would feed a fire or just... Yes.
Okay. Fire. It's just in the same realm of Fahrenheit 9-11.
It's that same style thing where he looks into Bush. Now he's looking into Trump. How did he win all this stuff?
Now, I'm going to say it right now and I don't like to speak for people and all that. And I'm willing to bet everything I own that if you are an extreme Christian conservative who watches Fox News 2 hours a day and listens to Alts Jones for another hour and glistens to one back for another hour and it's... Could you get a budget yourself?
Yeah. You're going to... You...
This film will make you mad and it will... It will might hire you. Okay.
Okay. I don't think you'll like this film. Of course, I have to speak for everybody.
Right. No, totally. Yeah.
This is geared towards people of the middle road to the left. The people on the right are going to hate this. Just like the people on that new film that came out with Trump and D'Souza's films.
People on the left are going to hate it and the people on the right are going to love it. Oh, see. It's one of those films that will back up the belief that the people on the right and maybe make people in the middle think.
Okay. Now, I've seen just about everything Michael Moore has directed. I've seen Sikko or Dan Baynex Fahrenheit falling for Combine, Roger and me, so I followed his career.
And then some stuff I kind of like, but here's the problem. Okay. He kind of pushes the edge on some of these allegations, I would say, in this film.
Okay. I'm going to say is Ivanka and Donald relationship. Okay.
He really makes some allegations and he uses footage and actual wording from Trump. Actual quotes that are audio. Him saying this, him saying that in the video.
Do you feel they were taken out of context? Possibly. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah. Another one where I think it's going to really push the edge is he compares Trump to Hitler.
Oh, dear. And in a way, how Hitler built and was able to move up in Germany and how he changed the government, he's saying Hitler did this and it shows Trump doing this. Hitler did this.
Trump did this. Hitler did this. Again.
Possibly taken out of context or no? I mean, these are actual quotes. I mean, how do you say that?
Okay. You can see the movie. That's why I mean.
It's an actual political move that Trump has done or stuff that he's said publicly. So how do you, you know, dispute that? But you know, Trump as a president is an or by himself.
I mean, he's not your normal, politically correct president. I'm just going to say that to be there. That is true.
Yeah. That is true. Um, but he even makes you kind of think, you know, well, Trump even allowed election.
Well, he took this away from a democracy saying Hitler did this, Hitler did that. I think he's trying to scare some people in this thing, trying to make him think that Trump's not going to allow an election in 2020. I mean, so this one on certain things with the Ivanka kind of raised my eyebrow.
I'm like, whoa, he's saying this and the things to Hitler, I think are really going to make some people think it's going to reinforce other beliefs and the people on the right. It's going to hire them. They are going to be tearing this film apart politically.
Fox News will not give this a thumbs up. I guarantee you that. I'm willing to bet anything.
Do you think that there will be discussion or will this just be one of those? Oh, there's Michael Moore doing his thing again, and people will move past it for the right. They're going to say, this is just a propaganda piece.
This is not true. How dare you say this? Oh, how dare you?
You know, this is just about fake news, fake news people on the right, you'll make them talk and the people in the middle might make them think, okay? I think this is geared towards the people who are, you'd call like the Reagan Democrats or the Clinton Republicans. I know, but they call them Reagan Democrats or Clinton Republicans.
Oh, okay. Republicans who voted for Clinton. You actually made me think about that.
Yeah. You know, so I mean, people who lean towards Republicanism, but voted for Clinton or vice versa, the Democrats who voted for Reagan, it's going to go to that kind of base. Try to reach out to them.
But there's some stuff that I just like, whoa, he brought that. He said that. This is kind of up there for Michael Warren, kind of.
Anything else you want to discuss before we get to file analysis? Just know what you're getting into before you see this and know your political litmus test before you see this. Okay.
You've been warned of, you're somewhere in that lit, I brought up the extreme right, the middle to the left. If you're someone's in there somewhere, everybody's in that within that spectrum, right? Just get ready.
There's going to be a lot of talk about this film. There will be a lot of talk about this film, especially with the stuff that he brings up with his daughter and the Hitler stuff. There will be a lot of hero on this.
Okay. Well, let's go to the filing house. Maybe the filing house is on the show.
We're not going to give you thumbs up, thumbs down. We're not going to give you letter grades and numbers, ballots, anything like that. I'm going to ask Don up to two questions.
Number one is, would he see this film again if the answers know that we're done here? If the answer is yes, then I'm going to ask him how far he'd be willing to go to see it. From the best of the best of the worst of the best, here's how it works.
Full price at a theater down to a twilight showing, down to a matinee showing, down to early morning on a weekend, down to second run at the dollar theater, down to actually leaving his house to get it from Redbox, down to streaming on Netflix, down to watching it on cable. Don. Would you see Fahrenheit 11, 9 again?
Yes, I would. Okay. Actually, that's the wrong one and then it's this one.
How far you willing to go to do so? Okay, since this is not your normal review, if you're Christian, consider to don't go. Okay, so you're saying this?
No. For those people. All right.
If you're extreme liberal, check this out, see it, see it, see it, see it. If you're middle of the road person, how far you want to go to do it? Matinee.
All right. For middle of the road. All right.
We have to give that spec from there. Absolutely. Come on.
This is not a normal film. That's part of the deal. Yeah.
All right. Michael Moore. It's called Fahrenheit 11, 9.
For an asshole thing. Yes sir. I'll take him listen to our best friends.
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