iTunes Exclusive Episode Ant-Man And The Wasp

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Welcome.
My name is Rob.
I am the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and I'm a bit of stupid because
the last time we talked about the person we're going to talk about in this review today,
I didn't realize that if you just add two letters to Ant-Man, it's Giant-Man.
I found that out on a podcast later on.
I felt stupid and I'm not afraid to share that.
Today across from me in the co-host here is my co-host and a man who hates wasps as
much as I do in the literal sense.
He is Chad.
Welcome, sir.
Yeah, my former line of work.
I had one too many entanglements with the way I came out on the wrong side of it.
Next to him is the official fact checker of this show and a man who if he had nieces
and nephews, his wife would be an ant.
You may know him as fond don go but his mama named him don for it, I'm gonna call him
don for it.
He's got one niece and one nephew and one Tanner.
Well now, then your wife is an ant, but no, she with her six siblings, the fantastic
fate for six siblings, she has like, I don't know, somewhere up there in the nieces now,
it's like on 23, I don't know, nice to be done, sir.
Rounding out the day, this is the newest member of the cast and a man that just likes to watch
geek movies.
He is Alex.
Welcome, sir.
That might be the most honest thing anybody's ever said about me.
Well, the check cleared.
There you go.
Whenever we do one of these things, it is to review something, this is no different.
It's time to get even more superhero-y on you than we already have because it's time
to talk ant man on the wash.
Of course that's something.
Yes, sir.
We got that Delaney, everybody at Disney and Levinson for the invite.
We love our vendors so much.
They take care of us and let us see movies early so we can talk to you guys about them
and help you spend your entertainment dollar wisely.
Okay.
All right.
So let's put this in context.
This is in the aftermath of the events of Captain America's Civil War, where Scott Lang,
also known as ant man, has been put on house arrest for his activities in Germany as he
joined Captain America and taking on Iron Man and all those kids at the airport.
A little bit of destruction going on there.
Shame on him.
So he has also fallen out of touch with Hank Pym, played by the great Michael Douglas,
as well as his daughter, slash Scott's pseudo love interest, Hope Van Dyne, played by Evangelion
Lilly.
I think I even spelled her name wrong in this description, so I'll have to fix that.
So they've kind of lost touch.
He's trying to keep things moving.
He's got his daughter, Cassie, played by Abbey Rider Fortson.
He's trying to start up a business with Luis, played by Michael Peña, as well as his
buddies, one of whom, played by Ti, who actually plays Dave, because he got such a think
of.
What do you think?
You do realize that the other one is actually named Dave, right?
Right.
David Desmackelan.
Who I believe?
Wasn't he on a Gotham?
He's been on just about everything where you need to talk with him.
Oh, I know he was in the dark night.
Oh, the dark night?
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
He was the weird henchman.
He was the one that was schizophrenic.
I love the business of the ex-con.
That's a great name.
Yeah.
And in his role in the dark night, potential spoiler alert in...
Three, two, one.
He was the cop that turned out to...
He was disguised as a cop and then I'll hell-broke loose.
Right.
He had the Rachel Dawes and the Tad.
Yeah, Dawes was the last name.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
You just did that to push that deck, but none of us did.
I want people to be used to it when we actually need it.
So when they know they hear it, they're like, oh, there's a spoiler ahead.
I need to hit the little 15-second button.
I almost believe that.
You see?
No, what I'm doing.
So when we have to say that...
I pushed the button for a reason.
I pushed the button for a reason.
It's basically...
Well, I mean, that's 40 years ago.
Actually, not...
I had about 38 years ago, so...
Yeah.
We haven't hit the 40 of Empire yet.
We got to test it out.
Make sure it works.
That was the beta test.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So...
Digging that hole.
Welcome to the big show.
All right.
All right.
Can we get back on the road here?
Please.
Okay.
So...
Sure is for button, pusher.
Scott has this dream one night that prompts him to reach out, even though he's not
supposed to as a condition of his sentence.
He's not supposed to talk to Hank or Hope, but he reaches out and says, I've had this dream.
They realize that he has a connection to Hank's wife, who if you remember from the first
film, they showed a scene where they were trying to disarm a bomb, which they revisit
in the beginning of this one, to remind you that she has disappeared, but they think
now she might be alive because of this dream he's had.
Now while that's going on, you have got the antagonist, I guess...
Part time antagonist?
More or less.
I mean...
David played by Hannah John Cayman.
She did a couple of episodes of the Game of Thrones.
We've had a lot of throwners in the Marvel Universe now.
And she's kind of got her own issue because she's kind of trapped in between worlds and trying
to heal herself.
And that's as far as I'm going to go.
Right.
You also have anist, the great Walton Goggins, who Don and I are huge fans of.
Chain from the Shield.
From the Shield, absolutely.
I know they use antagonist for this review.
They were ant-unantagodist, yet it ant-antagodist.
I can't hear you.
What is that?
Velvet?
I'm sorry.
I actually kind of want to give him that one.
I do want to give up my intention.
No.
Totally not my intention.
Don found the comedy.
Nicely done, sir.
Rare.
But I have a genuine question about the Walton Goggins.
But then you explained it that's ruining the punch.
No, I think it was greatness.
Is Walton Goggins acting because he's almost doing the same thing in everything but he's
doing it great?
No, no.
Something well, you do it consistent.
That's right.
No, I followed his career because I'm a big fan of Shane.
You see him in the sons of Anarchy playing a transgender person of the street walking
type.
Totally different.
He does a lot of things.
He needs to get a new hairstyles.
That's what I'm saying.
I'll give you that.
Yeah.
Well, he doesn't have hair until the middle of his head.
I'm supposed to justify to it the Southern, not like this.
I'm a real Southern.
Also, the great Randall Park is in this, rumor state that perhaps his character could
be spun off into a different series because of who his character is in the comics.
So be aware of that.
The great Lawrence Fishburn is in this.
The great Judy Greer is in this.
I knew where this was going.
Any award winner in Coggins Creek High School alumnus Bobby Canavale is in this as well.
I like this character in this.
He's great.
I mean, he was so minimal, but it worked.
That's what he does.
Yeah.
So, I think we've gone deep into the plot as we need to.
Yes.
We're going to read back, of course, to direct, again, Paul Rudd actually co-wrote the script.
He co-wrote the script.
Yes, he did, huh?
I don't know how to talk about this film because it's so different.
And Alex and I were talking while we were waiting for you guys to get to the studio.
We were talking about how this isn't, and Don even mentioned that's in his written review,
which is currently located at www.theclubhousepodcast.com.
That's our website.
Uh, that this isn't your traditional superhero film.
Neither was the first one, though.
But the first one had superhero elements to it that would lead into what would be Civil War.
This one, to me, was more of a tale of fathers and daughters, mothers and daughters.
This was more about family than it was about a superhero movie, because really, I mean,
you could call ghost, who is, that's what Ava's name is, her code name, I guess.
You could call her the bad guy, but she's not really the bad guy.
Now, let me bring in on this, because if you go to my written review at www.theclubhousepodcast.com,
that's our website.
And I put in my review, and I'm going to quote this, which is going to be in the thing
where you get that standard format of where you have the evil dude comes to destroy the
earth, universe, slash universe, and you get the superhero to try to stop him with a
bunch of monosaction format.
This is not that.
No, I lost on the way, I'm sorry, because it's not the evil dude coming in.
I was like, all the evil dude.
No, this is where it could be a superhero film with superhero elements, but it doesn't
have to be somebody always trying to destroy the earth, which gets old so often, so fast.
I wouldn't say it gets old, but it's, it's form your way.
There's, I mean, I was like, I thought it's like the change of somebody's coming out,
Deadpool, this film, and even, Black Panther, it's not the evil dude coming in trying to
destroy the earth.
You could have a superhero film where the powers of the superhero needed and have a different
style plot.
I would disagree with you on Black Panther.
Yeah, because he wanted to burn the world down.
He really wanted it.
It is more of a family thing, but it wasn't as, you know, I want to just, he wants to
take over not to destroy the, but still, you get to debate that one, but still you get
the point I'm trying to say.
This is sorry.
This is not true.
But you can still use the powers of a superhero in there in a script, which works.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
It didn't fall into the typical comic book trope formula, so to speak.
Now, let's also say that we were fortunate enough to see this in IMAX 3D.
Yes, we were.
Good Lord.
And Chad, you and I were talking about this after the film.
I think in, we've said the great, the great Clay Harrison has said 3D has never made
a story better.
But I think the visuals in this are very, very conducive, not just to 3D, but to IMAX
3D.
Absolutely.
There's just something about that presentation from a visual standpoint and from an audio
standpoint that made this work out.
And I'm going to jump in.
I include this in my review at theclubhousepodcast.com.
That's our website.
This is the first movie I've seen where I think the 3D not only enhances it, but makes
it an immersive experience.
Because every other 3D you have is trying to come out at the audience or jump at the
audience.
This was 3D for the sake of making you feel like it came around you.
It pulled you in, rather than I would kind of disagree in I respect your opinions.
I watched I saw in 3D, I loved seeing in 3D.
I didn't see that visually beautiful film, and I put that in my view, how they're able
to make this work out.
And we're talking at www.clubhousepodcast.com.
That's our website.
Now let me do the thing.
No day.
No day.
No day.
We've established this.
I do the thing.
I'll do the finger up when you do the thing.
Okay.
But that helps in an audio video.
Don't worry Don, just me too.
Let him have this one.
Just let him have this one.
But the point is visually beautiful, I love how they're able to make stuff small and
big and all that stuff.
But the 3D for me, I didn't really see it enhancing that much that I think would be worth
it.
Now you guys could differ and I agree with you.
I respect your opinions.
The other film is I think the 3D really enhanced it.
I don't think this is much as a worthy extra money.
Now there are questions.
I'm actually, yeah.
It was worth it.
I'm actually.
There is one sequence that I kind of went, did we really have to do this?
And it comes towards the end in the car chase.
That's all I'll say.
There's an element to the big car chase that I kind of went, didn't really have to do
it that way.
This runs a solid two hours, which to say a superhero runs a movie, so runs a solid
two hours, seems a little bit weird to say, because most of them run a lot longer than
that.
Right.
Especially once with Marvel in the title.
This thing, there was a lot of fat that could have been trimmed here for me.
I agree.
I think there was a lot going on and I think that some of it was kind of unnecessary.
I think that this could have been, I don't know where you trimmed it from though, that's
the hard part.
That's all I found out.
That's all I found out.
There's some of the plot exposition could have been trimmed back.
Yeah.
I also would jump in on that.
It's like, there's a lot of making him human, like with the family element, like you
were talking about where he's dealing with the daughter where it's like, oh, he's being
sweet.
Here's the quip of a joke.
And then it pauses for like 20 or 30 seconds and it's like, okay, we get it onto the
next scene.
Let's go.
You mean like the best example is a text of the 9-1-1 that shows the family part, you know?
Right.
Yeah.
I think that's, are you trying to talk like something like that a bit happening?
No, without giving away too much, there is a scene where they are sitting together in
her or his room, in the bedroom, in the bedroom, and they're discussing what winds up as
showing tell.
And I'm tiptoeing around those words.
No, I mean, I wouldn't have turned that because that was something that had to pay off.
Well, there were certain scenes to me that just, I was like, I don't know because you had
to understand that part to get to the other part.
But there were certain parts where I was like, I turned into a law and order where I was
just like, asked and answered.
You know, it just, I felt there were certain sequences that were just, it was too fatty.
Exposition for the sake of exposition.
And I don't know that I would have trained more than 15 minutes total.
Or just use those 15 minutes better.
Yeah.
I feel like there's a lot on the cover.
But I know Don's review currently located at www.theclubhousepodcast.com, that's our website.
He differed on that because he thought the pacing was really good if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah, the film's about two hours, so you don't have to have about two hours and 30 minutes
where it really needs to be cut.
And I thought the thing flew by, it's fast paced, there's comedy throughout.
The plot kept me interested, it wasn't too complicated, but let me ask you something
real quick.
Yeah.
Do you think it was paced better for you because it wasn't two and a half hours?
Or do you really think, I mean, I'm asking you because I don't know.
Yeah, honestly, yeah.
Because is it possible that you're just so used to superhero movies being so long that
this one just went quicker for you or do you really feel that it was bold?
I think it's bold.
Okay.
You think about the plot, the plot went all the way through it to keep me interested,
but it flowed well, I thought.
One thing I love about this, the comedy throughout this thing.
Just like the first one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know how many times I heard the Fantastic Bay Ford lap out loud like that.
I could hear her from a couple of seats, unless she was loving it.
Yeah, I mean, she loved the film, and that may be happy, but I mean, there's once the
comedy in this, I got to bring up because, and also the acting, Pania hits it, he gets
my shout out on this.
He could do serious roles, he could do other style roles, his comedy in this.
He could be one of the most underrated actors in the whole time.
To be spoiler free.
Absolutely.
Uh, sodium pentathol scene.
Yes.
Okay.
That's, that's me and spoiler free.
Yeah.
I was rolling on that in that, that was good comedy throughout.
I mean, when that, the sodium pentathol kicked in and that scene, that was just rolling,
especially when he flashed back to a scene where he's with, I'll say, with bars, as I'm
going to say.
I mean, that looked on him.
I mean, it was, he did a comedy role, almost as good as anybody, any top comedian in the
industry.
Honestly, I love, there was just funny all the way through and the comedy didn't dry
up, but it had a good mix with the series side too, in the serious plot, emotional plot.
Yeah.
I got to really tip my hat to Abby Radar-Fortson as Cassie.
Absolutely.
That kid, she is so, she, she doesn't come across as the overly obnoxious, percocious,
cute little kid.
She's got, she's got some wits about her and she's got a, she's, she's actually the genuine,
I guess, heart of the piece.
She's good, but I can honestly say not the best child actor I've seen in recent weeks,
because there's a movie that we reviewed last week that, that bar is going to be set real
high.
Again, she's very, very good in this and I think, her chemistry with Paul Rudd, I think,
is phenomenal, but there's a movie review last week that, what does that, he doesn't
just know it.
From an act, acting's acting and I mean, and you haven't seen the film yet, so you can't,
I mean, we can't really discuss it as much and I'm waiting for you to see it.
But no, she is very good, don't get me wrong, but man, the kid acting bar has been set this
year and it's going to be real high.
I have a glaring one that I include in, or a point that I include in my review at the
ClubhousePodcast.com.
That's our website.
It is nearly impossible to not try to compare what we watched last night to what came before
it and how somber those tones were going into, this is the palette cleanser, this is
the Marvel palette cleanser.
On a certain level, because you still got another one to go before we get to Avengers,
let's see who really wants to still do this bit, that's what I'm calling Avengers 4.
But I mean, we knew that that's what this film was going to be, but we also know that
it has to fit in the timeline and trust us, it does establish itself in the timeline
and that's all I'm willing to say.
There are two extra scenes, do not let the internet spoil it for you if you do find that
person and smack them around a little bit for doing so, because fire isn't also acceptable
substitute.
So there are two tags to stay through the credits, because one does not simply leave during
the credits of a Marvel Cinematic Universe film, this is number 20, but I have a question
for you, do you think they only need to stay for the first one?
Stay for the second one, it's better than the one at the end of Jurassic World, that's
not saying much, but that's still an improvement, that's like I only have one broken ankle
instead of two, but you still only have one.
It was still cute and staying for a few extra minutes, so if you have children, it's worth
it.
I say to the credits anyway, so I'm not really, I'm not trying to help the listeners and
save them some time and effort if they got to go.
Or if you're an Alan White.
I mean, I enjoyed this film, I still prefer the first one.
Yeah, same here, the new car smells kind of gone.
It's still enjoyable, but it's just not quite as enjoyable, because the first one was
so unique.
Yeah, it's not a huge drop off, and I will say this drops lower if Pean is not in it.
Yeah, very much so, he definitely elevates it.
I love the comedy, but in the scenes with the cars, how they're in a car chasing, they're
in a mini car and it goes about six inches in the air and they're like, they're acting
like they're flying 20, I mean that was just funny, or you see the little things just
go down the road in a little matchbox, that was funny, that was funny.
One thing I really feel like we should point out though, is the scenes where the de-aging
process was used?
Yes, I'm gonna let you finish.
Do you think things have gotten better since X2, X-Men United?
It's not...
I feel like it did.
It's not the quality that I'm worried about.
The overuse.
I feel like now it's just we're doing it to do it.
Like especially after Guardians Volume 2, all of our brains melted when we saw Kurt
Russell de-aged.
That was not CGI.
In Guardians 2, that's his makeup guy.
Fair enough.
Wow.
That is actually Kurt Russell's personal makeup guy that he brings to every movie.
He did an interview on this one.
Well I did find out that whenever we get the flashback showing Fishburn as a younger
fishburn.
Yeah, it's his son, but I guess they've put his face over his son speaking of which
there is something mini-spoilery, so if you want to hit the countdown.
Hold on one moment please.
You didn't have a preparing for this?
Three, two, one.
Lawrence Fishburn does drop the comic book equivalent name for that Dr. Bill Foster
character in Goliath, who is from roughly the same neighborhood as where Killmonger's
father was hanging out in the flashback scene of Black Panther.
We may get some fun crossover.
Interesting.
You'll ask.
Yeah, your boy does some homework.
We'll talk about it later.
Congratulations.
Anything else we want to get?
I have no regret.
Anything else we want to cover for?
Get the file analysis.
No, no.
I think we've got it.
Alright, do we do the file analysis on this show?
We're not going to give you thumbs up, thumbs down.
We're not going to give you letters, numbers, shrink rays, anything like that.
I'm going to ask two questions.
Question number one is, would we see this film again if the answers know that we're done
here?
If the answers yes, then we want to know, or you guys probably want to know, how far
we're willing to go to do so.
From the best of the best of the worst of the best, here's the options.
Full price at a theater, down to a twilight showing, down to Matinee, down to early morning
on a weekend, down to second one at the dollar theater, down to leaving your house to get
it from Redbox, down to streaming on Netflix, down to watching it on cable.
Alex will start with you.
Would you see Ant-Man on the Wasp again?
Definite, yes.
How far are you willing to go to see it?
It's a toss up for early morning on a weekend in Matinee for me.
I'm going to go ahead and give it the Matinee because it was worth it.
So not the full bore, and not the stuff right below it, but it's on there.
It's on there.
Absolutely.
Excellent.
Alright, Don, I want to add 3D?
Yes or no?
Only if it's IMAX.
Okay.
Don, would you see this film again?
Yes.
How far are you willing to go?
Believe it or not, I didn't find stuff I didn't like about it.
It was a fresh, fresh, fresh air.
I'm giving it basically the Twilight to the coveted full price theater.
Go for it.
Yeah.
And for you, the 3D?
Um, no.
I don't think it'd be worth it.
I'm maxed maybe, but the 3D.
So no 3D for Don?
Yeah.
Chad, would you see IMA on the Wasp again?
Oh, heck yeah.
How far are you willing to go to do so?
Full bore.
Alright.
I really want to do the Dolby Cinema experience, but do they do a Dolby Cinema 3D?
Yes.
Okay, then that's what I would like to do.
I'm pretty sure they do.
I have not encountered that yet, but I bet they do.
If they do.
Do it.
If they don't, then I'm sure I'll be corrected very very soon.
I definitely would see Ant Man on the Wasp again.
I would say, I'm maxed 3D, but I'm not willing to go full price.
I think I'm going to back it down to a matinee.
Just, there's just some pacing issues for me.
Yeah.
I can't in good conscience go full bore with this.
Well, you know, it's Payton Reed.
It's Ant Man on the Wasp.
Where is this whole thing?
Yes, I heard.
Then we got the Delaney, everybody at Disney and Levinson for the invite.
We love our vendors so much.
They take care of us.
They let us see movies in advance so that we can talk to you guys about them.
And you can make the best possible decisions for your entertainment dollar.
I'll see you have some.
Yep.
Oh, okay.
I was just joking along with it.
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