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The girl and the spiders web is the fourth book in what's called the Millennium series.
starts with the girl with the dragon tattoo, goes to the girl who play with fire, then the girl who kicked the hornet's nest.
All three of those written by Steve Larson, he passed away, he had an outline for 10 books,
based around Elizabeth Salander, a computer hacker slash vigilante, and Mikael Blomkvist,
who is a writer for a magazine called Millennium, that's why it's called the Millennium series.
So this was the first book that he didn't write.
Did he write any of it, per tram?
There was an outline.
Okay, that's all I know.
And he actually passed away before the first book was even published.
Oh wow.
So he never got to see the fruits of his labor.
The first three books all had films done of them in Sweden because he is Swedish.
There was an American version of the first book, the girl with the dragon tattoo,
if you remember, with the Rooney Mara.
Now Don, do you know why she's named Rooney Mara?
Yeah, I did because the giants and the Steelers are her grandparents, the owners of those teams.
And Daniel Craig did not fare well.
I actually prefer the Swedish version of the film.
I think that the Swedish version of the film is a little bit more faithful to the book,
because I've read the first book.
Very much enjoyed girl with the dragon tattoo.
Great book.
Okay.
But the weird thing about the American version was they filmed it in a lot of the same locations.
Really?
So there's some blurring of lines there?
Do you think that's on purpose?
Oh, absolutely.
Okay.
But I always remember because the very first trailer that came out for it was the first time
in a long time that I heard Immigration Song used in a trailer and it's been used at Nazia
ever since, but well, there's one acceptable.
Oh, yeah.
It's not that I didn't like the girl with the dragon tattoo.
I just didn't love the girl with the dragon tattoo, because again, I had read the book first.
And neither one of them end like the book does, which is weird for me.
That is weird.
Now, I am being told that there are a lot of liberties taken with the girl in the spider's web.
Okay.
Some major plot points are different from the book.
But in this case, Lisbeth is a full-blown vigilante at this point.
She's contacted anonymously, mainly writing wrongs when it comes to men wronging women,
given her past, which is the exact setup we have in the trailer.
Which is, yeah, touched on in this.
It's very deeply gone into in the book series.
Okay.
So, she gets hired by a computer scientist by the name of Franz Balder, played by the great
Stephen Merchant, but you know, I'm a huge fan of, to take back a software program that he
has sold to the Americans, because the software program enables a single user to control every
nuclear weapon on the planet, frightening.
So, she gets in there, does what she does, and then things get weird.
She is, she has her home broken into by a group of thugs who want the program as well,
and then there's other, and then, of course, you break into the NSA,
they're going to want their stuff back, and then so, so an agent by the name of Edwin
Needham played by Lakia Stanfield, he wants to get after her too, because she stole what he has,
and he needs it back. There's a lot going on here.
And this, and then she, she, when things get hot for her, she calls me Cal Blancas,
in this case, played by severe goodness in, to help her.
Okay.
Now, at this point, they haven't talked in like three years.
She just kind of reaches out to him, and it's, it's a whole thing.
Don and I have seen this. We were at the same screen together.
Let me just start by saying, there is a level of suspension of disbelief here,
from a text standpoint specifically.
Okay.
Like, I know hackers are really good, but to go one tap, and she's hacked into his laptop,
and looking through his camera, it's a little bit more involved than that.
But it wasn't anything that took me out of it.
From a story standpoint, I really enjoyed this. I mean, this thing runs just under two hours.
Take a breath for the movie starts.
Oh, really?
Because there's no lulls in this. It is, it, it is constant action.
But the downside to that, and Don has actually referenced this before in other films that he's seen
this year, and Don needs to follow me on.
Where it's like, hey, here's the thing. We got out of it. Oh, wait.
Now there's another thing that we got to get out of.
Did you feel that way a little bit?
Because I really did feel that like it didn't take a B, B to D to D to decide, you know,
it's just like the locals cousin nephew is going to get mad if we don't know what to talk about.
Like, we got out of this jam. Now we're in another jam. Now we got this jam. Now we're in another jam.
So like a convoluted level of complications.
Yes, I mean, there's, and again, there's some suspension of disbelief here.
If you're going to steal a car, tell them saying,
most cars have GPS chips in them. I can't, I can't, I can't, good, you are.
steal an old car because then you can say, oh, there's no GPS in this car.
Usually a Honda.
It wasn't in this. Right.
But and Don's written review, because I added all the reviews,
that he writes at www.theclubhousepodcast.com.
That's our website.
He really, you made some really great points visually about this film.
And I kind of want you to go into that a little bit.
Sorry, I mean, too, you're good. You're good. You're good.
I really liked how it showed like the European stuff like this.
But a lot of the filming I thought was dark,
winery, cold, which fit the mood of the film in this thing.
And it's Sweden. Yeah. But yeah, no, you're right.
Yeah, it's the tone really.
And it makes, it's like, this is a cold film.
This is a dark film. And when was it bright and sunny out in this film? Never.
There was some sun at a couple of points.
But a lot of snow, a lot of snow and stuff like that.
I understand Sweden at that time of year.
But it really showed, I thought Sweden very, very well in this thing.
Or the European style. And it's, and like Don said, it fits the mood of the story.
Because it's a very dark story. There's a lot of layers here.
That history. It all works itself out.
But there are certain points where I was kind of like, okay,
where are we going with this? Okay, that's where we're going with this.
But I enjoyed this film.
But Don and I are on the same page when it comes to one aspect of this film.
Big time, if I think I know what you're talking about.
It's the two leads. Oh, Lord, yes.
Okay. I'm, I enjoy the work of Clairfoy.
So do I. She's everywhere right now. Yeah.
She does a good job playing Lisbeth.
But she's not Lisbeth. Does that make sense to you?
I, I'm sorry, I got caught up in Don laughing at your comment of,
she plays it well, but she isn't. Okay.
So are you saying that the physical embodiment is a not?
There was something missing for me.
And I can't tell you what it was.
Let me kind of go and you don't mind.
But it's too. Okay, please.
You saw this as well. So yeah, your opinions just aren't.
I read where Rooney Mora wanted to do this film.
And they, you mentioned that in your interview.
Nope. This is like trying to do the last two or last final
Hunger Games film without doing Jennifer Lawrence or the last two
Perry Harry Potter films without doing Daniel Radcliffe in the lead.
Because he hears the thing.
They skipped the second and third books in the series and went from one to four.
And that's, that's kind of one thing.
But still when it comes to that person,
for as good as she is, she was not Mora on this role.
She tried imitating Mora and it did not work on her.
She tried being that kind of character that somebody just had naturally in there.
To me, she didn't carry the anger and I think I just figured out.
She doesn't carry the anger as well as Rooney Mora did.
Yeah. And the only difference in the Swedish version, I think, really is the best of the three.
I'm a little bit awkward.
But the, the, that style, the mannerism she tried imitating and it fell flat.
I don't know what the, what, why Daniel Craig did not do this.
Noomi Rapace played her in the Swedish version.
Noomi Rapace did.
Yes. Oh, wow.
Michael Nikevist.
Oh, really?
It was, it was Blankist.
I feel like I need to watch that.
It's really good.
Go ahead, Dom. Sorry.
Craig, why did he do this one?
Or did he, he did not want to do it again?
They really don't set out allegedly.
What?
They all, all three, I believe the director, Rooney Mora, Daniel Craig, all of it out now.
The director being one, David Fincher.
Mora said she wanted to do it.
And they said, no.
Yeah, the only thing that IMGB says is that it was announced that they would not be returning.
Okay.
Because I read a variety of thing and she was quoted saying, I wanted to do this film.
And they didn't want me, they did basically the rest.
I mean, that makes me wonder.
Do you think that they jumped ahead to the fourth book
and recast everyone to try and essentially revamp it?
No, because you came to the first one not working.
She tried imitating Mora in the first role.
Same age.
Yeah, it might be, the only thing is it's three years later.
People don't change physically and all that stuff too much three years later.
Right.
But what I'm talking about is your continuation of story through book one to book two to book three.
Do you think they jumped ahead, figuring,
let's see if we can get a fresh start on this,
fresh coat of paint, see if people like it better than the first one.
Well, they put like hot pink over like a black Ferrari.
I've seen that work.
Basically what the Wikipedia tells us is while promoting a film called Carol,
Rune Marstay that she was still signed for the sequel.
Quote, as far as I know, I'm still doing until somebody tells me otherwise.
Oh, wow.
So apparently she wanted to do it.
Yeah, I guess not.
And it failed, it failed bad.
I wonder, I can't say that it failed.
No, I think it did.
I think it ruined it.
It took me out of this.
I think that was the biggest mistake of this film in Craig.
They should have done what it takes to get Craig in there.
Because Craig could have been a scheduling thing though.
Either regardless, wait.
He'd been worth it because there are some action scenes in there,
which I think Craig could have done better than the guy who did in this film.
I just saw this as a...
That's supposed to be Craig's role.
This ain't working.
This guy is not playing well, I thought.
It's a very interesting dichotomy when you look at the...
Again, I read the first book so I know the character's a little bit.
Yeah.
Craig, I preferred as Mikhail.
I still think Numi Repace is the best of the three actors.
Oh, yeah.
Runeemar, I thought, did a good job.
But again, I think I just realized as we were talking about this.
I think we just couldn't capture the anger of Elizabeth,
like the other two could.
And...
Nah, it's not imitating though.
I would like to see more films done.
Because I enjoy this series.
Yeah.
I'm just interested in this.
And I also thought they didn't...
The two of them didn't have...
That could chemistry.
A real good chemistry.
And Stanfield's character seemed like a waste for me.
Yeah.
Like, I like how they used him in the final...
And you know, as it plays itself out.
Yeah.
But it was just weird.
Yeah, he was here.
Hi, I'm here.
Later, Spy.
Hi, I'm back.
Okay, I'll be back.
I'll be in the break room whenever you guys need me.
I'm an American.
I'm going to do what I want to do.
And I'm going to bring...
They're going to tell me they're kicking me out of this.
I have an interesting idea going back to the idea of the issue with Claire Foy in this role.
If I remember correctly, she's much smaller than Runeemara and Numi.
And I always call her Rapace, because have it repays.
Do you think it's the fact that Claire Foy is smaller and maybe more delicate looking
than it doesn't quite fit the character in your mind?
No, they didn't shoot her that way.
I mean, they shot her as a tough chick.
Okay.
It just...
I just don't think she really got the anger of the character.
And let me put this...
And there might be a minor spoil around this.
Hold on.
Let's put the magic question in the open kick.
And searching...
Three, two, one.
Okay, with the...
You're talking about Stanfield's character.
In the movie, how he ended up at the quote, airport...
I didn't...
Did I miss something in there?
How all of a sudden he's out?
Yes, because you went to the bathroom.
Okay.
That's the one thing.
Okay, we can talk about it.
We'll talk about it off-air.
I like the first film.
I was really hoping that the fabulous face Ford would have obtained it.
Because we were in different rows.
Yeah.
But my thing is...
And watching this from the one with Mar and Craig...
The plot...
And I don't know if this is found in the book or they took a lot of liberties.
It just didn't have that feel...
Like in the first film, I love how she did that little twist at the end
to make things right.
Some of nice little...
Let's add on and show the...
Build the character.
There wasn't an in this in this film.
Well, again, this is part of the problem when you skip from book 1 to book 4.
Yeah.
Is...
The film was just...
You want to call this a reboot, but the problem is there's so much going on with these characters
for three books before this.
If they had gone back and done the girl who played with fire,
I'd have been okay with it.
Because you're now continuing the story from the girl with the dragon tattoo.
And again, I haven't read books two or three.
But I know enough about the characters to be able to say there's layers to this
that you're not quite addressing properly.
So the narrative rings hollow with the missing pieces.
I wouldn't say hollow, but it's just equipping.
Oh, I say, hey, it's been three years since I saw you.
How have you been?
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
That's how they explain it.
So Likki Sandfield went full Huckleberry Hound?
He really did.
But it's like, okay, that's how I explain it.
It's been three years, okay, how have you been?
What's going on?
That's also kind of a cool scene, too.
Yeah, it was a cool scene, but they do finally talk about it.
Yeah, but it was a jump, though.
It's just like, okay, thanks for letting us know what happened in between.
You know, that's how you're going to explain it all.
Right.
Well, it's between the third and fourth book.
I know, but I, but again, I mean, I would like to see it happen again,
but there's just so much to do it better than that.
And I will say I'm glad I didn't.
I haven't read this book because I read some of the liberties
that were taken because there's spoilers on IMDb.
Nice.
And I was like, that's not the book.
That's not the book.
Wow, that's a huge chunk of this film, right?
Is it the trivia part?
Yeah, look at the trivia part at the very very bottom.
And there's a horrible spilling error in there, too.
And you guys know how I feel about that.
No, I don't judge people based on race,
race, creed, or origin.
I've judged them based on grammar, spelling, and syntax.
Again, I can't say I didn't enjoy this film.
What?
Don't just, don't just got there.
But it's not one that,
and it's weird because I can't say I was disappointed.
I enjoyed this film.
It's a breakneck pace.
It goes because there's so much going on all the time.
But I feel like we should have worked our way up to this.
I got a new one for you, though.
Okay.
So you're saying it goes at a breakneck pace.
Does it meet the shawney scale of just action, action, action, action,
action of enjoyment with less talking?
I would say yes and no because it combines the two.
Okay.
But this story moves.
And it's just like, Dom, what Dom was saying?
How did I miss this?
Because she left the room for five minutes.
Like, because actually he never goes that long either.
No, I'm just saying, like him leaving at that juncture,
he, and as quickly as he tends to do,
he missed the chunk of the story, right?
And the thing is a lot of stuff, I'm like the first film,
which is in my written review at www.clubhousepodcast.com.
That's our website.
Some of the stuff I saw my all the way.
I saw a lot of this stuff a mile away.
I'm like the first book,
but it doesn't.
There's a lot more twists that you didn't see
and a lot more surprises than like this thing.
This thing is a fail.
I just, I can't get to that.
So does that sound like we're getting to some questions?
I think it's time to get to filing out.
Yeah, it was filing out on the show.
We're not going to give you thumbs up, thumbs down.
We're not going to give you letter grades, numbers,
tattoo, guns, anything like that.
And if you see the first film, you know what I'm talking about.
Two questions.
Question number one is, would we see this film again?
If the answer's no, we're done here.
But if the answer's yes, the follow question is,
how far are we willing to go to do it?
From the best of the best of the worst of the best,
here's how it goes.
Full price to the theater, down to a twilight showing,
down to an afternoon showing,
down to early morning on a weekend,
down to the second month,
the dollar theater, down to actually leaving the house
to get it from red box,
down the streaming on Netflix,
down to watching it on cable.
Now, I would really like to start with Don.
Feel free.
Would you see this again?
Yeah.
He says under duress.
Under duress.
Now, let's shift over.
Rob, you would see this again, yes?
I would.
Okay.
Now, Don, as the less enthusiastic,
how far are you willing to go?
Well, after reading that trivia thing on the IMDB and all that,
and it just,
I was originally going to say second-run theater on this,
give it the crickets on HBO at best.
That makes me worse.
That makes me even better about the plot in this thing.
Okay, now what you saw afterwards.
How far would you go?
I would see it theatrically.
How far theatrically?
I would do it as a matinee.
Don't spend a ton of money on this.
Matinee.
Okay.
So, 43 million dollar budget.
So, I'm not going to feel real bad if it doesn't make a billion dollars.
Make your money back, Sony.
There you go.
You know.
It is the girl in the spider's web.
For one soul thing?
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