Dallas Videofest 28 Part 2

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It is the 18th of October in the year of our Lord 2015.
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It is Dallas Video Fest 28 Part 2.
We just basically just did this because we just did two days ago.
But we love it when our friends from Dallas Video Fest, that's what's going on.
Do a live show for them.
We are live right now at the Angelica Film Center in Mockingbird Station in downtown Dallas.
As Dallas Video Fest 28 rolls on.
Welcome.
Whether you're live on you stream or whether you subscribe on iTunes.
We don't care how you listen.
We're just glad you're here.
My name is Rob and yes, I remembered the iPod this time.
Because I put it with my phone.
And I don't go anywhere without my phone.
So by logic, I should have it.
Joining me to my right is my co-host.
And a man who has spent just as much time here in the last three days as I have.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
He is my co-host. He is Chad.
Welcome, sir.
I wouldn't have it any other way, my friend.
Always fun.
Again, this is our third year in a row, hoping on our friends at Dallas Video Fest,
whom we are so fond of.
It's been a great festival so far.
We've been able to catch a couple of the films.
One we're going to talk about here in just a little bit because we've taken in a film since we were last on the air.
Not technically, not a film, but we took it in an event because that's what we do.
We usually start to show with corrections.
I don't believe we have any from Friday night.
But I've slept since then.
Was there anything that you heard that was a little bit out of whack?
No, but I've slept since then too.
Relatively, relatively hard as well.
You've been battling off your seasonal allergy slash whatever the heck you've caught.
Yeah.
So God bless you, sir.
Thank you, thank you.
Wondering around here somewhere is the official fact checker of this show.
You may know him as fond Don Goe, but his mom named him Don Ford.
So I'm going to call him Don Ford.
He is our guest wrangler as the kids like to call him.
A lot going on here at Dallas Video Fest 28.
As it rolls on, pretty much, oh, evening this evening too, if I'm not mistaken.
There's a lot going on.
There's a bunch of people upstairs right now, guiding people in the right direction to find all the films.
Because Angelica not only has video fest going on, but they've also got their own movies that they're showing as well.
So there's a lot of, I guess you call it cross-pollination of fandom going on.
We've got to meet a lot of great people.
We're going to have a lot more great people on today as Don gets ready.
I'm trying to think of what else we need to talk about.
There was nothing that, from the only thing we got to talk about,
uh, Friday night was music talking.
There hasn't really been anything musically that's come up.
That's made me go, ooh, we need to talk about that.
But one thing we do want to talk about, the big news of the morning.
Oh, yeah, no kidding.
As the final one sheet for Star Wars The Force Awakens hits the web like a bull in a China shop this morning.
As will any major news about episode seven.
I mean, I woke up this morning and the moment I turned on my phone, it was just like, boom.
It was all there.
Uh, we also, I guess we should also talk about this other thing.
Uh, the shout out that we've got to send to a friend of ours who's finishing up a chapter of his life today.
The great Devon Pike by all accounts today.
Uh, working his last Dallas Comic Con as a, as a volunteer.
Much less as a spectator, which, which is a true jaw-dropping moment.
Yeah, I mean, I, I guess nobody knew he kind of kept that thing on the hush hush until today.
So we want to say congratulations to him and thank him for all the things he's done for Dallas Comic Con.
So I guess we should kind of, we can't even do box office numbers, can we?
Is it all too early for that?
Yeah, still too early on the day.
We are going to have filmmakers.
We're going to have award winners coming up on the podcast just a little while as soon as we can get Don down here to wrangle some things together for us.
He's upstairs. I don't know if you can hear us or not.
But we will wait for him. Let me pull out the iPod, the trusty iPad.
So we can figure out what's going on here.
We need to charge up my iPad at some point here. That's not good.
For that, how much I was using it yesterday.
Let's see. Where am I going? I'm going here.
All right, so movie stuff. We did find out this week that Steve Zahn is going to be joining a war of the planet of the apes.
Really?
He's going to be playing one of the apes as we get ready for the big battle of the third film in that series.
I'm a big span of Steve Zahn, so I'm okay with this.
I am too. I'm just trying to wrap my head around that.
But he's playing one of the apes. You won't see him.
Also, interesting. You and I talked about this earlier in the week, but of course we didn't talk about it on air.
The hateful eight is not only going to get a 70 millimeter very, very limited release.
It's going to be six long, six minutes longer than the regular version that's going to go to theaters.
It's also going to have an overture and an intermission.
So Quentin's going to kind of go old school with this thing.
I don't know. I know you've read about some of this too.
Is it going to be a touring 70 millimeter thing or is it just going to be released to certain theaters?
Do we know for sure?
I think it's just going to be released to certain theaters.
And it's a very limited, I think.
I'm not sure how long the run is for the extended cut.
And it may be the limited release that shows it.
And then once it goes into wide release, he's just going to put the regular cut out there in the major run.
Speaking of limited releases, I don't think we talked about this last week.
Episode seven is going to get a one month limited run in IMAX.
So we're very excited about that.
I mean, assuming we're ever going to be able to get tickets to it once they come on sale,
because it's going to make a bajillion dollars.
Also, remember the project of Robin Hood Origins that was out there has actually been put on hold to make way for Kingsman 2.
That's a smart move.
Yes.
I think that's a very, very smart move.
You and I both enjoyed Kingsman.
It was one of our favorite movies of the year.
But you had said that you were reading about the sequel that there was going to be Kingsman from other parts of the world in this.
More specifically, American Kingsman.
So there is that.
Mattel developing a Dino Riders film for the 19 people that were Dino Riders.
Why did you work on a go-bots film while you were at it?
Anybody that has a villain named Psykill, you know what I mean?
Are you really not really?
But you know what?
I did have the go-bots.
I had some go-bots because we weren't very rich growing up.
I mean, I had my Transformers.
I had more go-bots because they were easier to come by if you know what I mean.
Indeed.
Because they were describing Clerks 2 as the Kmart Transformers.
Which I had no problem with.
I even watched the show.
I'm not ashamed to say I watched the go-bots cartoon.
There's nothing wrong with that.
In news that I'm not sure anybody wants.
You've read about your next die-hard film, correct?
It's supposed to be a prequel.
Because that's what we need.
We need to know that John McLean used to be some younger version of himself.
Really?
Let me just give you that knock-it-to-only plaza box set and I'll be happy and we'll be done with it.
You know?
And take that last one out of the set.
That was pretty tough to get through.
But you know, everybody's got to work.
So there's that.
Also, the guy that wrote the script or the director of Creed.
Got the name of Ryan Kugler is now going to be directing Black Panther.
So I guess the F Gary Gray thing didn't work out.
That's a shame.
I really want to see how that was going to turn out.
That thing has had a carousel of directors.
Has it not?
Yeah.
It's gone through what like three.
At least three that I can think of right off the bat.
Three front runners kind of come and go within like the last six weeks.
Something that I think you might be interested in.
April 29th, circle on your calendar.
And you may think this is cynical or sarcastic.
But I don't know how you feel about it.
So I'm going to assume positive intent here.
There's a ratchet and clank movie coming.
I'm interested.
I thought you might be.
But that is apparently that's pretty much going because if it's going to be released
April the 29th.
I mean, I don't know.
I haven't read if it's going to be live-action CGI.
I'm assuming if it's live-action there will be a combination of the two given the nature of the games.
Yeah.
That's what I'm curious about.
When was the last time we had a ratchet and clank game?
A couple of years ago.
Didn't they do one?
Let me look into that.
Hang on a second.
All right.
If you want to go ahead and describe for the Empire that does not,
it's not familiar with the game series, the concept of ratchet and clank?
Well, you have a...
You have one character that's...
He's an animal of sorts, but he's never really...
He's like an amalgam of a raccoon and a cat.
And he's got that's a ratchet and his little robotic companion named clank.
And the adventures that they have therein?
It's played strictly for laughs.
It should be.
As you could tell pretty much from the title.
But it's a long-running platform series that was exclusive to the PlayStation platform for many, many moons.
I don't think they've yet to do one for the PS4.
Or was that a PlayStation exclusive?
Yes.
It wasn't like you do have it on the Microsoft platform.
No, no, no, no.
Was it always though?
Yeah.
For some reason, I think Sega Genesis and I don't know why.
Let's see.
Mark Ruffalo has confirmed that Hulk will be in Thor Ragnarok.
So instead of getting a Hulk movie, you're going to get him involved in what could probably tear the Thor universe to pieces.
Are we...
Are we paving the way for...
World War Hulk or Planet Hulk?
I haven't heard that's all they're confirming is that he's going to be in the movie.
So at least we get to have him the Mark Ruffalo version of him in something.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Also, Rosaria Dawson will be voicing the voice of Batgirl for the Lego Batman movie.
Air is done.
So very excited about that.
We're sorry.
Oh yeah, we've been going now for about 10 minutes.
We got it up and running, brother.
You said 345.
We were on it like a hornet as the kids like to say.
Have a seat, sir.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm Rob.
This is Chad.
Hold on, Don.
Let me get you live there.
They should go.
I'm here.
Don's here.
We're starting off big.
We are starting off big.
How would you do?
Rob, go ahead.
We're not even burying the lead.
Every year, Dallas Video Fest gives us something called the Ernie Covax Award.
And if you listen to our part one show on Friday night when the Great Bird Wice was sitting with us,
he explained the Ernie Covax Award.
So we're not going to go through the whole bit again because we have one of the recipients sitting right in front of me.
A man that I have been a fan of.
I don't want to say how long because I don't want to give away either one of our ages.
But he is Chris Elliott.
Welcome to the show, sir.
Talk right to the microphone, sir.
Everybody can hear you.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Can you hear me?
Hello.
I think there.
Now we got you.
His list.
CB4 to Groundhog Day.
See, I go back to the Letterman days.
Yeah, Percy.
Yes.
Yes.
And I guess, I mean, this year when we talk about Letterman,
maybe a little bit or sweet for you.
Oh, terribly.
So I mean, sad for me.
Don, can you reposition the mic for him?
I don't know.
It's probably my mouth.
Don, just reposition my mouth.
Just take it out and put it over here.
There we go.
Much better.
Okay, much better.
Real quick.
I was sad.
I was sad the day a year ago when he announced that he was going to go off the air.
Because to me, it was like, okay, that's the end of television, the way I know it.
And you know, if you're going to go out and you're going to have somebody come take your place,
there's worse guys you can have.
Oh, absolutely.
I don't think it was a better choice.
Real quick.
You know my job.
I'm out of here.
Chris, nice meeting.
Enjoy the time.
Thanks for coming on.
I'll go do you brother.
Okay.
I gotta run, too.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
I'll play out.
But I mean, then you find out about this thing.
I mean, the Covex award.
I'm gonna let you run with it.
Well, it's a huge thing for me.
I mean, I...
And I've said this to my daughters that, you know, this is a really tough business.
and you never know what's going to happen,
but the best part about this business is that sometimes
something really great just pops out of the blue,
whether it's a job or something like that.
This is just so great and it popped out of the blue to me.
I never thought I would be even considered
for something like this and to be getting it with my father.
Which is even more awesome, because we want to talk about your dad as well.
It means even more to me.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm so thrilled and honored.
And this is the first time I've been to Dallas and I'm getting an award
and I'm going to be drinking.
Well, welcome to our Fairburg, sir.
Welcome.
How's your experience been, since you've been here?
It's been the four hours I've been here.
It's been fantastic so far.
Well, so you're going to hit the ground running this morning.
I hit the ground running, yes, from Connecticut, I flew in.
Oh, actually, yes, very cold, 32 degrees.
Wow, they're already at freezing up there.
See, we were supposed to be, it was supposed to be a lot cooler than this today.
So I don't know what happened.
It gets cool at night though here, right?
It was very cool last night and it was nice this morning when I was driving around.
And maybe it's because we've been lugging around all this equipment
to the parking garage and what, maybe that's a big little warmer.
But I mean, I mean, I don't even know where to start.
I mean, you're actually, for people that don't know,
you are the middle generation.
That's when you're tainers.
That's right.
Aliens.
And if I'm not mistaken, please, I'm a God of hope.
I'm not wrong on this.
No, I'm worse than you.
First intergenerational SNL casters.
Yeah, you would have.
Well, actually, my dad did it.
Yeah, his dad did it.
Oh, so the, yeah, I didn't know.
Well, he wasn't a cast member, but he was, they did bits.
Bob and Ray did.
Oh, yeah, that's the first cast members go.
You're the first and they did a special.
They did Bob and Ray, Jane Lorraine and Gilda, the special that was just Bob and Ray and the girls.
But yeah, then I did Saturday and I lied for one year and was terrible at it.
And then Abby did it for five years and was brilliant at it, I thought.
And then she's on another show now and my, my other daughter, Brydie, I did say Abby
just then, right?
Correct.
Because Abby was on SNL.
Yes.
Brydie is also an actress and just was in a movie that won big award at Austin Film Festival
last year and all that.
Have you gotten to go down there yet?
I did.
I've been in Austin.
Yeah.
Austin's a crazy town.
It is crazy.
It's one of those towns where I'm a big fan of the suburbs.
Right.
Because once you get into Austin, you feel like you're just right next to everybody.
But it's so cool that you just don't care.
Well, you're sort of weird thing about my last visit down there.
I went down with Adam Resnick and we were going to talk, Adam Resnick's my good friend
and the co-writer of Cabin Boy.
And I want to talk about Cabin Boy a little bit too.
Because we're both huge fans of that.
So you're okay.
Anyway, we went to, you know the bridge where the bats fly.
Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
Our hotel rooms directly over that bridge so that we could see the bats at dusk fly out.
So I invite Adam down to my room.
This is before the screening and we're there.
We're standing.
The sun goes down.
It's dusk.
Everybody's lined up on the bridge.
They're all lined up on the bridge and it gets really dark and we're going, well, how
are we going to see them?
It's getting really dark and suddenly everybody disperses and they all leave.
And then the car comes to pick us up to go to the screening and we said, well, what
happened with the bat thing, Adam and I were standing there for literally two hours and
my window waiting and he said, yeah, it's the weirdest thing.
This is like the first time in years they never came, they didn't come out.
And I don't, I guess it was us.
You're bat repellent now.
Yeah.
But he said, yeah, it was the first time everyone was disappointed.
They didn't come out.
We just thought we missed them.
We just thought, well, maybe, you know, they, they blew out really fast.
It wasn't such an eclectic time, especially for a state capital.
Yeah.
And they were like, oh, wait a minute, that's here too, but it feels like Dallas has a lot
going on.
Dallas really has, Dallas really in the last, God, what would you say, Chad, 10 years or
so?
Because Chad's lived here his whole life.
Yeah, 10 12.
I'm kind of a transplant.
I came from South Florida.
Right.
So just in the last 10 or 12 years, like Chad said, really, Dallas, the film scene has really
gotten moved.
I mean, we just had, I don't know if you saw, but just was it a week or two ago?
They're doing a mini series based on the Stephen King book, 1122, that James Franco
is in.
He's filming it for a few days.
Yeah.
They shut Deely Plaza down on two days straight.
Yeah.
But that gets shut down like every year.
Yeah.
It's a good point.
Yeah.
It doesn't have for some made for TV movie or something.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
And it's really like the film scene here really has kind of taken off a bit.
And it seems to be getting bigger and bigger and bigger every year.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
Well, how many festivals, you know, during that time?
We cover, we cover two.
Right.
We cover this one.
And we also cover the Dallas International Film Festival, the take space in the spring.
And there's, I mean, there's been a ton of them that have come through.
Right.
And it seems like a really vibrant and a great place.
And there's a big theater thing going on here, too.
I heard.
Oh, yeah.
We were actually, we could cover those as well.
Yeah.
The theater scene here is amazing.
Yeah.
So I'm going to definitely, I've got about two more hours here.
And then I got to go back to Connecticut.
So you just, you just turned and burned it, my friend.
Well, we're glad that you're taking some time out to hang out with these two swabs.
So I'm actually, I want to come back with my wife.
She wants to see it.
So, yeah, it's amazing.
It is kind of weird that that first thing is, oh, yeah, I do want to see Deely Plaza.
But it's, it's, well, that's what we have.
That's what Dallas has.
But, you know, it is history.
And, you know, I've seen it.
I drove by today, you know, from the airport, you know, and, and it's, you know, but I want to see other things tomorrow.
I'm going to go.
I have, I don't, I don't lead till late tomorrow.
So I'm going to.
Oh, okay.
So you've got some time.
I got some time to stalk you guys.
It will take you to the fair before it closes.
So, where is that?
Is that still going on?
Oh, yeah, right.
Today's the last day of the day.
Today's the last day of the day.
And it's just right up the road.
Right.
So, and it's huge.
It's get a flitchers corny dog in your life will be complete.
I heard about some fried lobster.
That is a thing.
It's a $30 item.
I have a friend of mine that actually had one just said it's amazing.
It comes with it.
Really?
Were they champagne gravy?
Oh, my gosh.
Because if you're going to have lobster.
Sure.
You have to have champagne.
That's the way they eat them.
Up in Maine, that's how they eat them.
Yeah, they have a lot of meat.
Just right up the ocean.
Yeah, they have a lot of meat.
Who needs a lobster roll?
We got fried lobster here.
You talked about how this thing took you out of the blue.
How about your dad?
You know, he's gotten more awards in his life than me.
So, he's probably more used to it, but he was honored too.
He knew Ernie Kovacs.
I envy the man.
He has a couple of funny stories about him that hopefully,
if the Skype works tonight, he'll be able to tell.
But I think he, the same way.
He was honored that, and there was no dad as
a something you want to do.
I just said to him, they'd like to give us this award.
And he said, that's great.
When are we going to win?
I think it's awesome because I know you've met Bert.
I'm sorry, you met Bert.
Yeah.
Wonderful, wonderful man.
We had him on the show Friday night.
He's been wonderful to us.
I can't stand him.
Go on.
No, no.
He's great.
It could not be a more high quality human being.
And just so accommodating and so wonderful.
And no, he's made this work.
He's made it, you know, because it's difficult for my dad to travel.
But he's up in Maine, and my brother lives with him.
And so they're going to Skype.
And my dad will be able to answer questions and all that.
And we'll be able to talk about our two or three years.
And what time tonight?
Uh, that's...
I think it's 4.30.
Oh, so you're almost, it's almost time.
I think I'm there now.
You're just, you're doing your hologram.
Yeah, 4.30.
You're doing the two punk thing with you.
They've just got you as a hologram and you're waving to everybody.
He's one of America's most wanted now.
Yes.
You know, and we said we wanted to talk a little bit about Cabin Boy.
And I...
It is...
Oh, it's so much fun.
Oh, that's nice.
It's one of those movies that people just like,
it's like, dude, just leave your brain at the door and have fun.
It may be...
That's what we did when we shot.
Exactly.
And maybe want to buy a sock monkey.
Which leads us to whatever somebody mentions you to me.
And Chad and I have this in common.
We always go back to that fake B-roll that Letterman did of everybody doing his line from the movie.
For the Academy Awards.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably my favorite Letterman bit ever.
Well, the thing was that, you know, Adam Resenick actually directed those bits for the Academy Award.
And he's the one who directed Cabin Boy.
Cabin Boy ruined our careers for a long time.
And Dave, without realizing it, Dave, you know, Dave created me.
So I can say this.
Dave, I wouldn't be here if it was not for Dave.
But Dave, without realizing it, kind of, kind of helped that along a little bit that it's just...
Helped ruining your career.
No, no, no.
Like you would kind of joke, well, you know, I was in Cabin Boy, you know, and the audience would laugh.
Yeah, but you've also got that Jim Cameron money from the abyss.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Jim Cameron money is still coming in.
I'm sure that was the genius of Letterman to me.
Because I've been a Letterman fan since I was forever ago.
Yeah.
And whenever a bit wouldn't work, he would just beat it into the ground until it was the most genius thing ever.
You're absolutely.
No, no.
It was just hard sometimes like when they would do the, you know, the Halloween costumes.
And the joke on that show was always the kids would come dressed up as somebody and then Dave would give a crappy gift to that.
I remember one Halloween, you know, he gave, you know, a VHS of Cabin Boy.
I don't remember.
I do remember that.
And the kid had a real, you know, a disappointed look on his face.
Thanks.
And I've got to be honest.
It was a big fan of Get Life.
Oh, that's nice to hear.
I love that show.
Because what I loved about that show was there were certain parts where you just went, this is funny.
But it was so far out there, you were just like, that's part of the genius out there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And my dad was on that show.
So that playing my dad, which he was on my first choice.
But we ended up with that.
What's going on with you?
What's coming up?
Anything you want to plug?
I'm doing the show up in Canada.
And I can, I'll tell you that I can say the name.
The name is Shit's Creek.
Yes.
With Eugene Levin.
Yes.
And it's called SCITT.
It's a real name.
It's a real name.
It's not, it's not the other thing.
And I've been doing two seasons with that.
I think we'll probably do a third.
It's your first name that makes it even funnier though.
Well, I play the mayor of this town and my name's Rowan Shit.
And the reason I know about this show,
another of our universities, I'm a huge Bob and Tom Fant.
And you guys were on last year.
You and Eugene were on their promoting.
I'm a huge fan of those guys.
Yeah.
I was actually off work this week and it took me four days to catch up on all of the shows.
Right.
But yeah, I remember they talked about that show for a bit of part of a week.
Oh, that's correct.
And it still comes up every once in a year.
Yeah.
First of all, how do you get away with it?
It's spelled differently.
Right.
But it's interesting.
Different networks wouldn't let you say it.
Some would tie on it, put it on the screen so you could read it.
And then you could say it.
Everybody had different standards.
Some people, you know, some people said, you know, blank creek.
And by all accounts, very, very funny.
I think it is.
I mean, how can you go wrong with Catherine O'Hara and Eugene Levy?
Oh, Eugene Levy's son is also in it.
And again, fan of those cats since forever.
Yeah.
How did that happen?
Like, that is another one of these out of the blue things, like this award was for me.
It just out of the blue, Eugene Levy called and said, do you want to do this show?
I'm doing a 10-minute presentation for this show.
And you'd be great as the mayor.
Well, of course I'd say yes.
Do you say no to that guy?
No, do you say no?
I mean, I had met him when I was, you know, 12 and he was 73.
But I...
Wow.
You know, how...
You know, he's still with it.
He's still...
No, there's a reporter after he told you the title.
Because you had to have installed what you were at the time.
That's right.
I tried to get out right after that.
And forgive me if this blue pass me any...
Is it going to be online here?
Is it going to be distributed in America?
It's actually on the pop network here.
Okay.
Which used to be, I think, the TV guy network.
Oh, really?
But it's...
Yeah, it's...
And season two will be starting up, I think, in February.
Yeah.
Because yeah, that's a...
I don't know if we still have that on you, Versa or not.
I'll have to look it up.
Is there any streaming online?
Yeah, I think so.
But you can also like...
I'm so bad at this.
You know, we can find it, you know, on our pay-per-view or whatever.
Oh, okay.
Like on demand?
Like on demand?
Yeah.
Well, we'll have to Google it when we get done with the show.
Find out where it is so we can make sure we promote it for you.
Okay.
I know you're running short on time because it's almost time for you to go do this thing.
I'm sorry, I have to run.
I'm sorry.
We were honored that you even sat down with this.
So honored that you guys are honored to have me here.
The COVAX Award going multigenerational, Chris Elliott, his father.
It's so awesome to have you here, sir.
Thank you guys.
Thank you.
It's awesome to have you here.
And go get settled.
You've even changed time zones.
I know.
In the last six hours.
I'll tell you what I need is a drink.
We can be done right here at the end, Jellic.
Chris Elliott, thank you so much, sir.
Oh, this was awesome.
Sir, we are hitting the ground running today.
Don, Don's back.
Thank you so much, sir.
We are moving right along because Don's got us moving.
And we know, while we were set up in a pre-show, even before Chad God here,
we there are already people coming up to us going, hey, man, I want to be on the show.
And I was like, are you sure you're in the right place?
I mean, sure, it's season five, but you know, okay, whatever.
Joining us right now from the wins that scatter director Chris Bell and cinematographer Paul Taylor,
gentlemen, welcome to the show.
Talk right into those microphones.
What's up, hello.
Thank you for having us.
It's an honor to have you here.
Tell us about the project.
Okay.
It is about Ahmad, who is a Syrian Muslim man middle aged trying to get a job in America.
Don't laugh.
Very, very, very quick.
I was about to take a drink and I couldn't do it because you finished up so quickly.
Is this, I mean, I'm trying to learn as much of you as I can very quickly.
First project, second project.
Tell me it's our first feature.
We shot it over a year and a half in 2012.
Yeah, three years ago.
Three years ago.
It took us a year and a half.
We shot every Sunday, almost every Sunday.
And then it took me a while to edit it.
And now here we are in 2015.
Do you look back on it now?
Because it's been so long.
Do you look back now and think how that was a lifetime ago?
Or does it feel like you just finished it?
No.
Because when you work on something that long, it becomes such a part of you that when you're not doing it, it just feels weird.
Well, yeah.
I mean, we were really good friends so we hang out a lot and it seemed like every weekend we would just be like,
well, we feel like losers because we're not going out and shooting all the time.
Like we're not doing anything.
But it does feel like a really long time ago.
Yeah.
And it's, you know, it's a moment difficult to watch because it's been so long and we've progressed and learned so much since then.
But I mean, I'm still proud of it and it's really great that it's finally out there.
It took right into it so everybody can hear you.
I can hear you, but nobody heard anything.
Nobody heard anything.
Right, right.
Anyway, either way, it's a great movie we're proud of it and we're psyched to be here.
Is this the first time you've shown it or is this?
No.
We played in Brooklyn in June and July was Korea and Madrid and then Wisconsin in September.
And now we're here in Dallas.
That's a heck of a roadmap to try to follow.
There's Cambodia next month.
Wow.
And Italy, which I guess I'm not supposed to say, but I said it.
Nobody's listening.
It's just us talking.
In December, which is really cool.
It's cool to, you know, go so many places with it.
Chad, do we have a schedule for this of when it's going to show because we want to make sure we plug it?
Well, actually it played last night.
Okay.
All right.
There's a lot going on last night for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
How did it go?
Went well.
Yeah.
It was nice to talk to the people that came and engage with it and engage with them.
Stuff like that.
As a cinematographer, because I'm always fascinated by the eye of a cinematographer because that's what you have to do.
How hard was it for you to get in sync with Chris as a director or was it just kind of one of those second nature relationships?
It was very difficult at all because we've known each other for quite a while and we have very similar tastes.
I mean, shooting was actually fairly easy.
We just go out each morning and we didn't have it.
We didn't storyboard or do anything, you know, prior to shooting, we just go there and we figure everything out the day of, which is fairly unprecedented.
I was going to say that's got to be a little stressful if you're not, you know, you don't really go in there, but you're just like, you know, we know we kind of know what we want to see and just go.
Well, you know, it's such a, I mean, it was only him and I every weekend.
It was easy for us to do that because there was nobody else that we had to, you know, we didn't have, we didn't have any producers to show storyboards to go out there and do whatever we wanted.
So it actually was pretty easy.
It was good.
I don't know, because I worked overnight.
So when I would get off of work, we'd go and shoot.
So I was generally working on no sleep of just like being up work from work.
So there were times when it was difficult when it's like, my mind like isn't functioning.
It's not enough coffee for this to be working as in my brain, but we persevered.
We came out after three years.
Yes.
I got a lot more grays.
Oh, well, watching it now, because you know, you've been working on this so long.
Do you sit there?
Are there times when you watch it?
You know, I want to go back and tweak this.
As a lot of filmmakers do, they look and they're like, it's never quite what I wanted to be.
Are you at the point now where you're content with it?
It can run with like it is.
Both, actually.
Because yeah, it was so long ago and working on it for so long.
You're like, yeah, I totally would have done different things.
But it was what we, who we were, years ago.
And I stand by it.
And you can't really think like that too much.
You have to move on.
And we worked pretty quickly.
You know, this took like too long as is.
Like he's already made his movie.
I've made another movie.
So we try not to like really have those regrets.
We learned a ton.
So that was worth it.
And that's really, if nothing else, that's what you want.
Yeah, totally.
You know, I've always said if you stop worrying then you need to find something else to do.
Yeah.
And sometimes I look back on early episodes of this show and I go, what are we doing?
Actually, I do that now.
But it's just being able, you know, talk about the road of getting here to Dallas Video Fest.
28.
Yeah.
Well, we have done a plane.
There was travel involved.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I have a bunch of friends, like a local actor Frank Mosley.
He told me about it.
And then Cameron Bruce Nelson made a great film with Frank called Some Beasts.
And they told me about the festival, told me about Bart.
And just gave it a shot.
Like maybe Bart will like it.
He did.
He liked it a lot.
He's a great, he's a quality.
Bart, I mean, really, yeah.
We don't know him like too well, but he's so supportive.
Yeah, he's really great.
Really encouraging.
We've never felt, I don't know, you guys are just, everybody in Dallas is like really taking
care of us and making us feel like it was worth it because you, I don't know if I can curse.
You can keep it.
We keep it PG.
Yeah, there you go.
We get pooped on.
And you know, there's probably doing this.
Like there's a lot of days where you're like really down and like, man, like what am I doing?
And it's fulfilling, but it can feel like empty, but it's great to come out to these like festivals
and stuff like that and really feel like people do care and people, you know, it is worth it.
It's worth something.
So Dallas has been really great.
Video Fest has been really great too.
And making us feel welcome and appreciate stuff like that.
Did you get to have a Q&A last night?
Yes.
Any questions that hit you that you hadn't heard before or that maybe any curveballs that hit you?
No.
I mean, we were interviewed before the screening.
So not at the Q&A, but we interviewed for the screening where there was like a bunch that I hadn't heard,
which was like really great.
It was like really, I was really happy to do that.
But I haven't been like attacked yet.
What do you mean?
Not that I will be.
I was kind of something that was just like, you know what?
I hadn't thought about that.
I don't think so.
No, but I mean, I wish you would get attacked.
I mean, that's good.
That's nice.
The cinematographer wants to feel like.
You know, I want to be attacked.
It's good.
It makes you, it helps you think a little more.
And you know, you'll come up with answers and things you never thought about.
True.
So.
Yeah.
Well.
Maybe that's maybe next time.
Yeah.
So you've talked about you both have worked on things since.
We are all about shameless self-promotion on the show.
Yeah.
So tell us what else you got working on.
Okay.
Well, you go because you're.
So I just, I just wrote and directed a, my first feature.
It's called Driftwood.
It's a feature.
Talk straight into it.
It's a feature with no dialogue at all.
So we told the whole story just through images.
Okay.
So, so no dialogue mean like there's not even lip reading.
It's just.
There's one song.
Okay.
That's it.
But the characters themselves do not speak.
Okay.
It's all gestures and eye contact.
Wow.
Yeah.
So be on the lookout for that.
Any any ballpark of when you might be able to see that publicly.
Early 2016 hopefully.
Oh, okay.
So.
Coming up.
Working diligently.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
So.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
Maybe it's not pretentious.
Maybe it does.
No.
It's intriguing.
Because that's that's a very difficult thing to do.
You say I'm going to make a movie and nobody's going to talk.
Yeah.
And it's still going to get its point across.
Yeah.
And that's that's daring.
Especially for your first following feature.
So.
I mean, you got it.
You got to take a risk.
God bless you on that, sir.
Thank you.
I did a couple of shorts that will hopefully play in 2016.
But the next feature is called.
Incorrectional.
And it's about a father and son.
It's a narrative film.
And then.
The.
I don't know if I should say this.
But it turns into a documentary following the actors.
Oh, okay.
That made way through.
So yeah.
That's great.
And.
Yeah.
I think 2016 at some point.
Maybe not early.
Maybe mid.
Okay.
So for the wins that scatter.
Can we talk?
I mean, we have a lot of people that come and say.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I think I'm going to hold on to it and self distribute.
Oh, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah.
It just seems like the best thing to do.
Because it was just us.
It was just such a little.
You know, we're we put our blood sweat and tears into it.
So why not continue doing that?
Like I'd rather have it.
And.
Learn.
And then.
And then.
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And then.
And.
From that process.
As we learn.
Like shooting it.
And touring with it.
Are you talking digital distribution?
Are you going to do physical copies?
TV. He's like, hey, it's my movie.
I did jacks.
Yeah, yeah. So maybe that will happen.
OK, so let's talk websites, social media.
Vlog away. This is your time, my friend.
I tweet a lot, and yeah, I can't believe I said that.
I'm being honest.
Chris Bell, OK, is my Twitter.
And Wins has a Facebook page.
It's Facebook.com slash the Wins that scatter.
And we have a film collective, which is like me, him,
and another one of our friends that we all do similar kind of work.
So if you like one of our things, you'll probably like the rest.
And that's fuzzy heritage films.
And dot com.
That's a dot com.
Yeah, that's a dot com.
That's definitely a dot com.
And then you have all that stuff too.
Yeah, you can, you can find me at Paul Taylor DP,
like direct photography, as my Twitter handle.
And I tweet not as much as Chris.
And not as well as Chris, but I tweet.
I find myself tweeting more now that it feeds my Facebook page.
Just because I can get it done quicker and throw it out.
I took that off when like too many people from high school were commenting.
I don't want to.
Maybe I won't do it too.
Yeah, I won't do it.
I just like it because I don't have to do the same thing twice.
Yeah.
And it kind of Twitter is cool because it keeps me challenged to say what I need to say as quickly as I can.
Because I'm not a fan of the abbreviation or the letter R or supposed to be A-R-E.
So it's like, how can I say this quickly and just get it out the door?
And then it ends up posting twice on my Facebook page because it has that one.
And then the one it feeds from, but that's okay.
Anything else you guys want to plug is I want to make sure you guys have everything out there you need to have out there.
Drift would come in soon.
Yeah, Drift would 2016 and let's go mess.
I'll tell you what.
This baseball postseason has been strange.
I mean, I'm a Braves fan, so we were so far out of it.
I think we're mathematically out of it for 2016.
But I've been, I've really been enjoying the baseball postseason.
I've actually been enjoying college football more than I've been joining the NFL this year,
even though my beloved Gators lost last night.
But that's okay.
But it's, I love this time of year.
Baseball playoffs, football's going, hockey's about start, basketball's about start.
I know, I know another thing about college football or football.
In fact, I, I'm a pretty bad match fan as well.
I just watched the postseason.
If they make it postseason.
That's like the most, you know, it's like the, like the B-A-G.
You're in the right division.
Even though you beat my Braves and my Marlins.
But that's okay.
It happened.
You know, I'll get through it.
I totally love it.
Oh, since you guys had the screen last night.
What are the plans now?
Are you just kind of coasting through?
Are you going to check anything out this evening?
Oh, yeah.
We're going to see, and this is live.
So like you just had Chris Elliott.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that was fun to follow Chris Elliott.
Yeah, I'm sure like the audience is like, oh, wow.
Really coming down.
But he's doing the co-vex award.
He's doing that.
So we're going to see him.
We're big fans of him.
Well, then we need to let you go do that.
We need five minutes.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
But we are right downstairs.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I know it.
I don't know how many people are up there,
because we're so far away from everything.
Oh, we're downstairs.
Everything's upstairs.
So after that, anything that you're interested in seeing?
That you haven't seen?
We'll probably wing it.
I'm not sure.
Yeah, I always keep forgetting what else is going on.
We have no idea.
It's Sunday after noon.
It's been a long weekend.
It has been a very long week.
I actually have to go back to my day job tomorrow.
Yeah.
I mean, we were here in the theater all day yesterday.
I was like, anything that stuck out for you that you watched?
Jackalope was great.
Jackalope was really great.
Yeah.
We missed that.
We saw last night.
We saw the Anacole with Harry Knowles.
They played a couple episodes of his show.
Oh, it was good.
It was very enjoyable.
When they were on our show Friday, they described it perfectly.
It was like, was it Peewee's Playhouse meets for adults, basically?
Yeah.
I mean, it takes place in his set that looks like his basement.
And it's just really neat the way.
It's going to be on PBS, which is kind of cool.
Yeah.
We caught the Monty Python documentary.
Oh, cool.
The other night about them at the O2 last year.
That was excellent.
That was a lot of fun.
Yeah.
And that's what I love about Video Fest is, you can't pigeonhole this thing.
Yeah.
There's so many different kinds of films.
And if you can't find something at Dallas Video Fest that at least peaks your interest,
you may want to check your pulse.
Because I mean, the Technicolor thing yesterday I heard was amazing.
They actually did a presentation on an old local theater here in North Park 1 and 2,
which Chad's bummed that he missed.
But I grew up going there.
Yeah.
That's why I saw the Star Wars trilogy.
Yeah.
It was the place to see it.
They called it God Screening Room.
And when your theater has such an amazing sound system,
that when Jurassic Park played there, it cracked the foundation of the building.
That's why they had to tear the theater down.
I mean, that was, and it wasn't one of those mall theaters.
It was its own building in the parking lot of the mall.
And there was one and two were in the mall, and then three and four were across the highway.
Oh, wow.
And Lucas himself came to supervise the installation of the THX sounds.
Wasn't that the first THX certified theater in the country?
Yeah.
And it was huge.
Like, if you went to a movie there, it was like an old school movie.
And it seated like 5,000 people.
That's why.
That's how big the auditorium was.
It was ridiculous.
And for him, you'll grow it up.
Yeah.
Because it was before I moved here.
It had to feel like you were in an amp with theater.
It was so huge.
It felt like I was in a mega church.
So that's basically what it was.
It was a church of cinema.
And there's just so many things at the festival that are just so awesome.
Yeah.
And the people involved, you walk around here, and I don't think you're going to see one volunteer.
That's just, you know, they've been at this for three or four days straight.
And they're still happy to be here and happy to help you.
Everybody involved in this thing got people that we've gotten to know by working this thing for the last three years.
Just honest to God, genuinely awesome people.
They're full of energy.
I don't know where they get it.
I don't know.
They have a lot more than we do.
Yeah, I can do some of that.
And all we're doing is sitting down, talking on a microphone.
Oh, and they're the ones running around all day.
You're the one drinking kickstart.
I'm over here sucking on water.
God, I wish I got the kickstart.
I've had two kickstarts today.
That's not good for me.
I'm sure I'm going to go into a coma.
Your heart's going to explode.
Yeah, sure.
It hasn't already.
What is a kickstart?
Is that like a 5 energy out there?
It's like Mountain Dew's energy drink.
They have an energy.
Mountain Dew is just an energy drink on its own.
This has more.
It's more concentrated.
It's like a lower sugar, which is good for me.
Right.
But the...
All of a sudden, I'm showing for free to lane out.
But they have an orange pineapple mango.
That's really, really good.
And I've become horrifically addicted to that.
It's like mainlining caffeine and just shooting it directly in your vein.
There's vitamins and stuff.
Yeah, that's why you drink it.
Yes.
As far as you know, actually you know better, but still.
But gentlemen, we're going to let you go enjoy the rest of the festival,
because it's almost time for the ceremony upstairs.
Thank you so much.
Chris Bell, Paul Taylor, the wins that scatter.
Keep your eyes out for it, because they're going to be distributing it,
and you're going to want to copy of it.
Gentlemen, thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
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Charlotte Parker is on Pinterest because we are morally obligated to say that.
And no, no Jewels Womack today.
Was she used to be the child at the house?
Yeah, she was chilling at the house.
There's nothing wrong with that.
She has no responsibility here.
We're not the boss of her.
I'm not the boss of her.
We are now joined by our next guest as we get to take a little bit of a breather,
but not very much because he's serious.
Or I'm going to let you introduce yourself to our audience.
A lot of take a sip of my tasty beverage.
Yes, my name is Peter Bo Ratman.
And I'm here at the video fest with my film Topofelia.
Topofelia.
It's already played.
So you're just kind of hanging out at this point.
Yes.
Tell us about the film.
The film follows the Transylaska pipeline, the entirety of the 800 mile length of it.
And I shot it with a stills camera.
It is, I guess, reminiscent of Timelapse video, the kind of effect that I get with the video.
And yeah, it's my first time showing here.
I actually just moved to Dallas.
Welcome to the Berks, sir.
Or did you move here from?
Most recently I was in upstate New York.
Oh, wow.
It was a big climate change.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
I feel lucky to have gotten through the summer, I guess.
Oh, yeah.
Was this your first summer?
Yeah.
It got the feeling like when is it going to end?
Oh, absolutely.
I moved here from South Florida.
And I was like, I'm from a tropical climate.
I can handle summer.
That first July, I was in a 1986 Ford Mustang with no air conditioning.
And I was like, someone killed me, please.
I'm sitting on 635 and I'm not moving.
And the weather said challenge accepted.
It will kill you.
I would take this summer over the winter and upstate New York.
I will tell you, right now fall in Dallas is the best time to be here.
The autumn in Dallas is you get a change of colors and a change of season and it doesn't kill you.
I love, autumn is my favorite time of year in Dallas.
I've been here now and about the end of the year.
I actually get to use my fireplace, which is awesome.
My power bill goes way down.
And my gas bill doesn't go that far up, which is kind of nice.
But I mean, what made you choose Dallas?
My wife.
You know what?
Just a good reason is any.
We were in Southern California before then.
And I left to go teach.
My wife stayed in Southern California.
And that didn't work out.
I have a kid at home.
And it got to the point where I would call home.
And my son would be, you know, pointing at the phone and saying, oh, it's daddy.
And I would come back and see him.
And he would point to the phone and say, oh, dear.
So I decided it was time that we got back together.
My wife got a good job out here.
And I came out here and now I'm teaching out here.
And just trying to get an understanding of what Dallas is about.
So you already played early in the festival.
When was it?
It was today.
Oh, OK.
So it was today.
How'd it go?
It was good.
It was good.
Good Q&A.
I feel like.
And great projection here.
Oh, yeah.
The Angelica has an amazing.
There's nothing about the Angelica that doesn't.
It just doesn't set the bar.
Yeah.
You know, it's everybody's great.
There's always, you don't feel like you're crammed in anywhere.
Yes.
You feel like you have room to stretch.
Yes.
The people that come to video fest, we were just talking about this with our last guests.
Everybody involved with the video fest is just such high quality people.
And that starts with Bart.
Yeah.
We talk about it.
We may talk about him more than he ever wants us to, but what a high quality individual.
Yeah.
That he's so nice.
I do really appreciate that Bart invited my film to play here.
The film I made is a little bit more, you know, it's an experimental documentary.
It's not, you know, it's not a warm feel good sort of film or anything like that.
It's a little bit challenging.
There's nothing wrong with that though, but he believed in it and he brought it out here.
And I'm very grateful for that very grateful.
Where does the film go from here?
Next, it will play a CPH docs in Copenhagen next.
And then I'm going to be going out to Brooklyn to show it union docs and also show it at Columbia University.
And then there next year I'll be showing in Korea in a bunch of different places.
Any thoughts on distribution wider than you have it or?
It's the, after I get done showing out in festivals, the movie will be on movie, I guess next year probably sometime.
I, you know, I have kind of mixed feelings about distribution for my stuff.
I get offers to do kind of distribution deals, but I haven't found anything quite right.
I really like movie, if you're not familiar with the platform, it's just a 30 day thing.
So they have it out for 30 days and then it's gone.
PT Anderson's new film just premiered.
Oh, really?
With them, yeah.
Is it one of those deals that after the 30 days you can renew it or it's just 30 days is done?
It's 30 days and then they put on, so they put a new film on basically every day.
So at any time there'll be 30 different films on there, but never more than that.
And it kind of gives an incentive to actually see some of the things that they're putting up because it's limited time.
And I guess as a director, distribution can be such a strange thing.
Because you like to hold onto it, you don't really want to give it to somebody else that,
well, what do we do?
No, no, no.
This is mine.
Do it like this.
You know, I have no delusions about my work.
It's not going to, I feel best when I have control over it.
I have lots of friends who've got distribution for their films and they see that sort of this ultimate goal.
And all they end up really doing is owing their career to the distribution company.
And I've never wanted to be in that position.
I love having ownership of control, you know, control of my work in that regard, business side of it.
It's a thing that works out best for me.
And yeah, that's, I guess, why I have these kind of mixed feelings, I guess, about distribution.
But it's mostly because of my friends and seeing kind of what they've, what they've gone through.
What's next?
For me, I'm trying to get better.
I mean, I've just been, I mean, constantly sick.
I got some horrible food poisoning at this Mexican restaurant, no clue.
Oh, dear.
That's unfortunate.
I've been there.
That's not fun.
Yeah.
I won't say the name of the restaurant, but I will say that the bathroom was outside and there was no door on the bathroom.
Oh, dear.
That is unfortunate.
We're in the back.
Mexican restaurant like that.
Don't go there.
Yeah, I'm working.
Oh, music.
Yeah, we have music playing in the background.
It just kind of keeps us on our toes.
Yeah, I'm working on a new film about a freeway.
I'm following a freeway out in Southern California, the 110, first freeway west of the Mississippi.
And I am also starting to work on a project about enchanted rock out here in Texas.
The music scene here is a lot of people don't understand like the music scene Dallas and Austin in Houston are huge.
Yeah.
And a lot of people don't understand like it's, it's, it's comparable to just about anywhere else in the country.
Once you, once you really find it, it's huge.
Yeah, I think it's the best in the history too.
I mean, the history is, there's nothing like that.
You know, we, we've got our arts district goes in cycles.
Yeah.
You know, the thing about deep album is, which is for those of you that are listening around the world, that is the arts district in Dallas.
It's, it literally has a cycle to it.
There'll be a few years where it starts to rain and then all of a sudden it picks back like the bomb factory just reopened.
Right. Right.
And that's a beautiful 5,000 seat facility and they've been packing that thing every weekend.
And the air could do like open.
She, she was one of the opening acts opening because she's right by there.
She was right near there.
Chad, we used to work for a pest control company and they, they took care of her house more than once.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And it's, the arts are really starting to come on strong again, which I love in this town.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's a, it's very, very fascinating just to drive around and see, especially how Dallas and braces art.
Yeah.
There's a good energy here.
Oh, it's a great energy.
You know, in, in Southern California, I feel like people get kind of jaded.
And out here I feel there's, there's really a movement to, to do stuff and that makes me excited.
Oh, absolutely.
And it's a great, a great city to be, to get inspiration in.
Yeah.
You know, I've always told people that Dallas is a great city if you want to build a future.
You know, I have some friends of mine that just moved out here a few years ago and he's a teacher.
Yeah.
And I said, dude, you can live 10,000 a year less and make 10,000 a year more.
So where's the downside?
Yeah.
You know, and they've been really, really happy out here.
Yeah.
Let's do some shameless plugs, Facebook, Twitter, anything that you've got that you want people to visit.
Um, uh, go to my website because I unfortunately am not on Facebook or.
Nothing wrong with that.
I just joined up on Instagram and that was a trip.
Instagram is a weird thing.
Yeah.
It is, it's, it's something you could get sucked into and do it, I think 24, seven.
But, um, uh, my website is my name.
So it's Peter Bo Ratman dot name.
I have a kind of usual, unusual, uh, B-O-R-A-P-P-M-O-N-D.
M-U-N-D.
M-U-N-D.
I've already, I've already linked you on to our Facebook page as well.
Oh, perfect.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Oh, you're welcome.
And, uh, yeah.
I post my shows and stuff that are upcoming on there and that's probably the best place.
You can also get, contact me out there as well.
You may not be on Facebook, but you are all over Facebook.
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah.
I typed in his name and I saw the Laguna Art Museum is, is, is talking about your project.
Oh, so other people plug in his stuff.
Mm-hmm.
Art Bound Cal Arts.
Cal Arts is talking about it.
But isn't that the best way to do it?
Let everybody else do the work for you.
Yeah, yeah.
And when your work's good enough, people are gonna notice.
I'm lucky.
So it's not gonna have a Facebook presence, but have a Facebook presence.
That's pretty awesome.
When the Museum of Modern Art is talking about your project, you've done a good thing.
You've arrived.
That's all.
Thank you.
Well, sir, go enjoy the rest of the festival.
We appreciate having you here.
Yeah, it's been really great.
Go check out Topofelia when it comes somewhere near you.
If you go to the website, I'm sure he'll tell you exactly where it's gonna be shown.
And hopefully you'll get some distribution on it for himself very soon.
Yes, thank you, sir.
Yeah, thank you so much.
All right.
Thank you.
All right, bye.
Don.
Come talk to us, sir.
Don's already just running around like a church.
Standing there and pointing.
Translates really well.
This is an audio medium.
Don's known.
You should know that by now.
I'm back.
You're back.
How are you doing, sir?
Running.
That's good for us.
That's good, but that's good.
That's good thing.
I mean, it's good that you we've got people waiting because that gives you that there's people
here to talk to.
Exactly.
And that's a good thing.
We got the, how would you say the perimeter of the animation block that's gonna be showing
it about in roughly an hour, roughly.
Oh, and actually about a half an hour.
Half an hour.
Okay.
That's all I want to make sure we get them on before the thing starts.
We're waiting for filmmakers to show you.
Yeah.
Marshall, introduce yourself.
Oh, my name is Jay Marshall Pittman.
I'm a professor at Collin College and I'm the perimeter of the annual animation block.
Which, like we said, starts in 34 minutes.
If my public school math does me right.
Yeah, yeah.
Always, the animation block is always such a cool thing.
Because there's so, it's like you're not going to sit down and you're not going to see
one form.
There's so much, so much diversity.
And go ahead and talk about that.
Talk right into the microphone, if you would.
At noon.
There you saw this SIGGRAPH reel.
So we got to see the roaming electronic theater.
But that's all the professional stuff, right?
And there's some, there's some student stuff there.
But what we're showing now is some of the local filmmakers that are studying to be
animators.
So we have four or five short from Career Center East, which is up in Louisville.
We have four or five short from Collin College or IT.
And we also have two short that were workshopped for the University of Texas at Dallas, their
ATK program.
U-T-D.
Yeah, U-T-D.
But that campus just keeps getting bigger every time I drive by.
Actually, ATK has their own building now.
So I thought there was an adjunct years ago when we were in a closet in the Eric Johnson engineering
building.
We had 10 computers.
So is it more leaning towards CGI, is it more leaning towards 2D hand drawn, is it a good
mix of both?
So that the college one's a more CG and actually, which is really cool, the high school ones
are kind of both.
Really?
There's a couple of really cool flash shorts that are all hand drawn stuff.
Oh, wow.
So, and of interest, which is kind of cool, because we saw the Cigarette Reel last year.
We had a short last year called Sticky, which is from U-T-D, and they showed at the Cigarette
Animation Theater this year.
Oh, wow.
So we're hoping to push some more shirts up to the Cigarette Reel.
Are you seeing more, how is the interest in the form?
Is it kind of leveling?
Is it waning?
Is it moving up?
Because I'm always interested to see, because there's so much out there right now, how it's
how the, are we having a lot more people come into it, or is it just kind of, is it almost
kind of an even keel?
There's definitely a lot more interest, because we have, we have a ton of animated features
that have come out recently, you know, just when you get a popular form, you get a ton
of interest in it, and Hollywood kind of seeks out for that.
So we have a steady stream of students, and what's happening now is they're starting
to reach out since the animation, especially through the animation, is mature art form.
They're working a lot more on story and character and longer form stuff.
It's not just about, oh, we can do this in computers.
Now it's about, okay, how can we bring the human being and story back into computers?
How does that work into what you instruct?
I mean, do you, do you have multiple focuses, or do you try to focus more on the animation
side of it and bring the character development from there?
There's at least two really cool trends.
One, is there's a ton of tutorials online everywhere, people on YouTube, there's other
tutorial sites which I won't necessarily plug, but they can go learn all the software
there.
So I'm no longer a software tutorial technician.
I can concentrate on these are animation basics.
This is what the nine old men showed us at Disney.
We can take all those, all those principles and talk to students about that.
And we can start talking about, like I said, story and character.
We don't have to worry so much about the tools because when students show up in the school,
I kind of expect them to know how to use the tool to certain extent.
I'll show them the little tweaks and the shortcuts and kind of professional way to do stuff.
And then extra, the extra attention to detail, you know, like I see right here, you guys
got a lot of equipment here, a lot of the wires and plugs and stuff and you know exactly
where each plug goes.
I hope so.
And you look over stuff, you look over it twice or three times and so the difference between
you and you know, some podcast or their basement is you've looked over that three or four times.
It's the same with animation.
We keep looking over it.
We digest it again.
We do another day of age.
We show it to another audience.
We see how they react and we change the animation just so it makes the story more impactful.
Is the form and I say this from a place of admiration?
Oh, I love absolutely.
I love it.
I've always loved animation, but it seems to me like the form is in a very strange place because
of the the bigger proliferation of CGI versus hand drawn.
And it seemed like we've had this conversation with a mutual friend of ours, Keith Alcorn.
Yeah.
It's going to sound good.
What a great guy.
So one group, I'm a part of here locally called a bunch of shirt guys and we type that
animation every month.
We have a big conference called industry giants.
We always invite in the hand drawn animation people and there's this big thing about let's
have a renaissance of hand drawn animation.
I'm like, it's it's there.
It's subtle, but it's there.
Some people we've brought in that do hand drawn effects, for example, one of the local
games studios worked on a game called, I can't remember what it's called, I always forget
this one.
But that all the effects are hand drawn effects, all the blaster effects are hand drawn.
Oh, wow.
Sounds like borderlands almost.
Yeah, but it's it's it's a gearbox software or something.
It's your own software.
It's our next game.
Bloodborne.
Bloodborne, yes.
See, that's our gaming guy.
So Michelle Gagne.
We brought him in for industry giants a few years ago.
He drew all those effects and he said he's sitting up in in kind of drawing all these things
for them.
And actually, he took some time off to the re-releasing iron giant.
So they read.
Signature, the signature edition.
Yeah, yeah.
I've heard it's amazing.
So he went there to finish up the dream sequence for that.
Oh.
We bring these people into town.
We bring Michelle into town and Michelle's coming and work with the gearbox, gearbox guys,
and one of my former students who are there, gearbox.
They got to work with him on these hand drawn animations.
And that's what I like to see, especially for the some of the shirts for Chris and his.
There's one I think it's called the glass slipper.
There's the tooth fairy and I think hissy fit.
They're all hand drawn animations, so hand drawn characters.
And one of the game classes I'm teaching right now, intro to game class, one of the artists
are doing all these hand drawn sprites for this, you know, for these very young trolls
that are walking, walking down that, what we're able to do is in the game engine, just
upload those sprites, put them in the right sequence, and play them in the correct order.
It looks fantastic.
And I'm just such a sucker for hand drawn animation.
Maybe it's because I am a man of a certain age.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's what it is, but I've also it's also been amazing to me how quickly
the CGI technology has moved.
Like go back and watch toy story and then watch, then watch something, you know, recently
that we've seen plastic surfaces and spears and cubes and cones, whereas so for example,
we had Jorge Catera's from real effects.
She is awesome.
Yeah.
We actually had him on the show earlier this year.
Yeah, he's amazing.
But all the concept artwork looks exactly like the movie.
Oh, the book of life, the first trailer I saw for that, I was like, I don't know what
how this happened, but I need more of it.
And this stuff has been produced right here in Dallas.
I've got, you know, a ton of more movies coming out.
U2D, University of Texas at Dallas has their arts and technology program and they have a
couple of semester sections and a couple of year long sections, but they work with artists
at real effects.
And so you can see that in their short snatch and terminal B. It's highly polished
animation.
It looks professional.
It's really fantastic that the students can concentrate on the story, concentrate on
the characters and produce that level of animation.
If people want to get involved with the group you've been talking about, how can they
do that?
So you can go to a bunch of short guys.org.
We have monthly meetings.
There's one coming up next Saturday about motion graphics.
This coming, the 24th?
Yeah, the 24th.
Yeah.
24th.
And where is that going to be?
And that's going to be at Colin College.
So we can go to the website to look about that.
We have a yearly conference called Industry Giants, so Industry Giants.
Or RG.
And what time of year is that going?
And that's usually in September.
So we just missed it.
Yeah.
We're co-located with the big design, big D conference.
OK.
And it's a really wonderful thing, because you get to see the designers, but you also get
to see people that do motion capture or games or VR, this kind of thing.
And somebody wants to reach out to you personally, how do I get to do that?
They can do it at Marshall Pittman and Twitter.
So M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L-P-I-T-T-M-A-N.
You'll reach me there if I would be the best place.
And besides this Saturday, any conferences or meetings or symposiums, besides, you
know, people can get down here now.
They've got 25 minutes to get here.
25 minutes.
You can meet the young filmmakers here.
How many of them are coming?
So you know, I'm probably one of the biggest drains on passes for the video fest.
I had a list of about 60 filmmakers.
Wow.
And I paired it down and I go, look, can you ask who was actually going to show up?
So I got about 30 people on the list there.
And it's fantastic that the video fest is support young filmmakers.
How long does the blacken run?
It's going to run about 45 minutes.
And then Q and A afterwards?
Yeah, we'll have Q and A afterwards.
And I'm hoping to expand the show.
There's several schools that are just now getting Maya, just now getting some lab technology
and we'll probably have more schools next year if part will let us, right?
They're stressed.
And Bart's a great guy to talk to as well.
Yes.
When we did the show last year, he saw the show goes, we have to do what we get next year.
And that's one thing I just love about video fest is we talked about this with our previous
case.
You can't pigeonhole this festival.
No, no, no.
There's so much going on and there's so much opportunity.
And if something works, they're not afraid to say, you know what?
Let's do it again.
Yeah.
Let's do it again during the festival, you know?
And it's that flexibility that people get to see so many different kinds of things
and experience so many different kinds of things that come, sorry, go ahead.
I've got one student returning, guy named Jonathan Bazan, who just loves to blow stuff
up.
And he's blowing more stuff up this year.
You know what?
If that could be my job, just to blow stuff up, I'm on board with that.
It's, it's, it's, it's an incredible effect.
So we just talked about how much TNT he uses in his shots.
Oh.
Well, sorry, it was an honor to have you on.
Good to meet you guys too.
This is awesome.
23 minutes before the animation block gets underway.
So if you're in the Dallas area, get down to the Angelic Ed Mockingbird station to check
out the animation block.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Marshall Pittman.
Whoo.
Don's got us going.
He's even got his cool t-shirt on.
Did you notice that, sir?
Yes, I did.
That is, I don't know who designed that shirt, but that guy is amazing.
It was my Christmas gift from you.
I know it was.
I was trying to elude that.
Okay.
I already got your Christmas gift.
It just came in.
I know you have no idea what it is.
I see.
I know.
Totally clue us.
And believe me, I have not forgotten about your, your birthday, which just passed.
And we're, it's been, it's been a, it's been a.
I'm proud.
I understand.
But we're going to get that ticket.
Oh, I thank you.
Oddly enough, this shirt today that I'm modeling, very comfortable, by the way.
Walmart.
Okay.
That's a Walmart thing.
Okay, here's the deal.
We, I saw this documentary.
It's called The Hoax.
And Kelly, given us the, before the thing.
So we got a chance to preview.
Yeah.
Okay.
Fair enough.
It's about homeowner's associations.
Oh.
And this is a very interesting film.
And to say the least, I, it's so interesting.
And once you get in these somewhere associations house, sometimes you have no legal recourse.
Oh, yeah.
That's so, that's so, that's why I don't have one.
Well, we got the director of a, of that documentary called The Hoax.
He's, here's right now, his name is Rodney Gray.
So Rodney, let's say hello and introduce yourself.
Mr. Gray, welcome to the show.
Oh, well, thank you very much.
Talk right on that microphone.
I'm really glad to be here.
So the, we actually, Chad and I were just talking about this, this film the other night as we were looking through the media guide.
We didn't get a chance to go real deep into it, but I'm going to let you talk about it first and then we'll have a little discussion.
Okay, sure.
I started on it about actually in 2006.
I was researching the homeowner association industry when I was in business school.
And my mother was being, and my opinion was being abused by a boarded director as a property owner association in Grand Prairie, Texas.
And I just finished a, a film on Slumlords in Philadelphia, Temple University.
And I thought this is very similar and I jumped right on in and started going out and took the camera, set it up out in the street and was immediately confronted by some guy who was going to wanted to know where I lived in the address and all this other information.
And he had no authority whatsoever, but he was showing me with the board of directors.
And I noticed how they would bully people, threaten to evict my mom over documentation.
They said she didn't stand in, they were going to throw her out of her home that she had owned for about 15 years.
And it was just one little thing right after another.
And I noticed that the City Council, Attorney General's Office, Greg Abbott was that at the time, wouldn't do anything.
It's a civil matter, don't bother us.
Wow.
That sort of thing.
And I took it from there. There was a big conspiracy actually going on in Las Vegas around the same time with 40 or 60 people, particularly strawberries of homes on 12 HOAs.
And they were basically, a lot of them took plea deals, but they were being charged with wire and bank fraud.
And they were purchasing percentage of homes so they could get on the board.
And as soon as they got on the board, they generate construction effect lawsuits.
And just start running with it and try to break in, probably between my estimation, between 2003 and 2009, they raked in about $100 million.
So the FBI eventually jumped on it in 2009.
People took deal and out of that conspiracy, 40 or 60, four people killed themselves.
Oh, good.
That was just HOA. So I mean, for Vegas, I went out there to, I wanted to interview some people involved with that, but the Department of Justice, the FBI were investigating at the time.
And they will not talk during investigation. So I started looking in the smaller elements of HOA board members looting the funds out of their HOA, transferring money into banks in California.
We're talking about sometimes over a million dollars, not wanting to give the money back.
At the end of the day, you would have a homeowner. I mean, you would have a board member who would take all this money, eventually plead guilty to felony theft years later, one time, one month in prison.
Wow.
After all that.
And I've always been kind of leery of the HOA.
And let's just put it out there that not all of them are evil.
You know, I have a good friend that has a great one. And what they do is they actually take all of their dues every year.
And they have a big fault carnival in the neighborhood. They had a carnival that went out of business and they used their HOA dues to buy all the stuff.
And that's what they supply with. And that's great.
But they're not all angels.
You know, that's why I said in the intro that I'm glad that I don't have one.
You know, maybe when we sell our house and we wind up in the neighborhood or we don't have a choice, that's different.
But it's such a weird, weird, weird thing because like you said, you want to get the government involved?
It's a civil case. Don't bother us.
Well, you need to step in when my civil rights are being violated.
You know, if I pay my mortgage every month, if I want to paint my garage door pink, I can do that.
You know, and so you have to really, it's the waters are very murky to try to navigate.
You had the screening earlier today at noon. How did it go?
I went pretty well. Had a lot of feedback. Had a few of the assistants that helped me, a cinematographer.
My mom came.
Where it originally started in her neighborhood, she was there.
Started going back to 2008 and now we're 2015.
We finally got that thing wrapped up. I'd worked on it at University of North Texas, but I had the people there.
I had great questions. Good reception by the people who attended.
How was it for your mom to watch her story play out on screen?
Probably like me watching the film over and over because when I was in graduate school at University of North Texas, I was there.
She got to see a lot of my work. But this time she got to see more of what I was doing in Las Vegas.
Where I had camera footage of HOA boards screaming at people and threatening them and doing a variety of things.
Even in one situation in my documentary comes up where HOA board member imprisoned to women in his house during a meeting.
I didn't want to leave because they had a recorder. That situation came up.
But I was thinking about what you were seeing earlier about the civil.
The thing that struck me when I began this project was in Grand Prairie, Texas.
They were having trouble with an HOA board and they had been accused of racially profiling Latinos.
And it created a new story. So the HOA board got with the City Council of Grand Prairie and said we're going to have a meeting out of about 170 something home owners.
They invited 12 people too. I showed up. My mom and an elderly guy and this other lady.
And during the meeting, remember when we said the civil doesn't get involved? Well, they didn't get involved to extend but they had a police officer there.
I believe they paid him $200 to keep the peace he set with the board president though time.
During the meeting he got up and argued with homeowners about what the board president was trying to communicate.
The police officer did not live in the community. He says I know about HOAs and he got up at his badge firearm and started confronting my mother in fact.
And I'm thinking he's not an expert on HOA legislation but he's a police officer of a Grand Prairie defending the board president and arguing with homeowners.
Basically they were telling us at the end of the day the assistant city attorney and the city councilman at the time was there.
And basically what they were saying was don't bother us but behave yourself at this meeting.
And during the meeting I noticed the police officer were diggle with the board president and I said excuse me.
Could you stop goofing around during the meeting and he said you ever talked and raised your voice like that to me again I will do something to you that you will not like.
And I said are you threatening me he said it's not threat it's a promise. This is a Grand Prairie police officer.
And when I complained later basically the city councilman the assistant city attorney said the police officer was professional and Mr. Gray was disruptive.
And we were thinking this was in front of a group of people it wasn't like.
And you had this on camera.
I wish I did. I didn't have it at the time I was just going there to meeting and ask some questions was all I was doing.
It was actually before I started the footage where I went out on the street and was confronted by someone demanding my home address.
How long did it take you to get everything filmed?
I would say about as far as filming often on for about three years.
We did that. The filming in Vegas about a week. We did all the filming in Vegas a week.
In Texas and the Austin area used in Frisco. We interviewed the and a lot of people are familiar with this story.
There was an army captain in Frisco who was in the Iraqi war and why he was over in the war. His HOA sold his $300,000 home for $3,200.
And the guy who bought it for $3,200 flipped it for $135,000.
And they sold his house while he was in the Iraqi war and he got his house back.
But if he had been one of the things I brought up during my documentary, if he had been a civilian, he would have lost that house.
And it was over a debt of $800. Good mercy.
And it's like you were saying earlier is they're not all bad. I have friends on HOA boards.
I have friends that have gone on the HOA boards to fix everything that was up there.
The problem is if you get a few people in Kejink or however you want to say a conspiracy or whatever, get on a board and have a majority.
They control elections. They can say who's going to get billed for what? Who's going to be fine? Who's not going to be fine?
Who's going to be allowed to come to meetings? Who is technically going to be eligible to vote because we're going to run the elections?
Some of the lobbyists will tell you that stand up for HOAs will tell you if you don't like your HOA, vote at the board members.
Now in some cases, many occasions you can do that. But not all of them because if you have a real bad board, they will control that election and stay there.
Was this the first time the films in show?
It's the premiere for my film. However, for me to finish my MFA thesis at University of North Texas,
I did have to do a public academic screening at University of North Texas. And that was in front of probably about 10 people.
Where's the film go from here?
Well, that's a very good question. We're talking about, I talked about eventually putting out available the public.
I may collaborate with a film director in Florida that we may want to take this a little step further.
My film overall is what I would call a survey of the HO industry. We're scratching the surface, we're pointing out some things.
It's not really plot driven. It's more of this is this guy's story.
More informational.
Exactly.
Are you looking for distribution? Is there an avenue you're trying to get through to do that?
Not right at this time. I mean, I would really like something like that. But right now, it's more public awareness.
Look at this. And, you know, for people to take notice right now.
Where can people contact you about maybe screen the film for themselves or for a group or any, I mean, shameless self-promotions that we're all about?
So right now, with what I'm maybe doing with the Florida film director, that's on hold for any kind of public screenings right now.
But to get a hold of me, you can contact me at Rodney Gray, my last things, G-R-A-Y on Facebook. And there is a Facebook page for the HOX.
And we also have a website at WordPress, the HOXfilm.com.
And I've linked to that on our Facebook page and to the website as well.
I'm just, I don't know, I'm a little exhausted right now because you've just melted my brain for the last minute. That's a good thing.
It's a good film or actor. Oh, okay. Well, fair enough. It's just to take on a subject like this is for lack of a better term. It's just brave because I don't want to use the word racket.
But I've heard it thrown around. And this is, this is a tough subject to tackle for anybody. But for someone who has such a personal connection like you do to it.
You talk a lot of, you said started with the story with your mother. How has her journey been? Was she nervous that she were going to take this on as a documentary?
Or did she, was she like, okay, but tread lightly or was she just like full throttle? Let's do this.
Here's full throttle. The HOA, some HOAs particularly were my mom at, it's probably like a rollercoaster ride.
They got you eventually and it comes on my film. They remove the board. But then somebody gets in the board that you'll, sometimes you'll have a board president and it's like, okay, I'm running this, running everything here.
We're going to fire that board member. We're going to fire that board member. And I'm going to bring this person on and I'm going to bring this person on. Then they get replaced and then another board member comes in.
And it's a little rollercoaster ride. And people would come on. In my opinion, as they come in and they have their favorites, who we take care of, who we're going to let it get away with stuff, who we're not going to get away with stuff, how we're going to fix the park.
And a lot of it, I would say you probably compared to almost like a dictator ship or one person, the board president is calling all the shots. And if he's questioned him or her, our question, there's usually consequences of some kind.
I'm just, I'm fascinated by this. How long does the documentary run? 78 minutes. 78 minutes. So if you want to watch it, you know, it's you're not taking a bunch of your time out. So you've crammed a lot into a little short amount of time.
Oh, you bet I did. Are you still, are you still want, is this where you want it? Or do you want to tinker with it more? Or is it kind of where you want it to be at that 78 minutes?
Well, what I would like to do is, if I collaborate with someone in, you know, Florida, and this is almost news right now because I haven't really discussed this with anyone.
We want to go about, I would say a style, if you're familiar with your, and I don't like using the labels, but maybe your Michael Moore type of film, that I want to go almost into that type of style and maybe extended a little longer.
And get a little bit more story oriented than, or maybe a little more plot driven.
But, and that's just right now at a discussion stage, stage with me and someone right now.
Any thought of maybe turning it into a narrative versus a documentary?
Oh, yeah.
See, that is my journalism kicking in right there, sir.
Because there's a movie out there right now called 99 Homes, which is about defaulting on loans and that kind of thing with Michael Shannon and Andrew Garfield.
That's really kind of works, works kind of dark.
And as you're talking about that, that movie keeps coming back to me, where it's not the same thing, but it kind of works that same angle.
And it's been very successful.
So, I think a lot of people would get a lot of things out of this documentary.
I wish we'd gotten to talk to you before so we could have people come down and watch it, but you're open to screen it for whoever wants to contact you about it.
It is called The Hooks.
Go check it out as soon as you can at anywhere you can.
It was part of Dallas Video Fest 28.
Mr. Gray, thank you so much for joining us.
We appreciate it.
Oh, go enjoy the rest of the festival, my friend.
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We got the director Richard Bailey of the...
He's the director of the mock destruction of the world.
Did I say that correctly?
That's right.
If you want to talk in Richard...
I call that Thursday.
Yeah.
You have to speak right into the thing.
Okay.
Richard Bailey.
Welcome to the show, sir.
Welcome, sir.
I'm trying to find your film in the guide here, so we know what we're talking about.
Don, do you know where it's at?
I'm looking for it right now.
One second.
All right.
Chat, if you got it up.
42.
42.
42.
People are getting up behind the scenes.
Look at what we're doing.
That's fine.
The mock destruction of the world.
Tonight.
So we have not even got the screening yet.
Let me tonight hear at the Angelic at 945 in theater 3.
Go ahead and talk about your film, sir.
Sure.
It's part of the text.
It's part of the text to show, which I'm extremely excited about.
And this film, the mock, the word mock in the mock destruction of the world, refers to a ritual.
It's a ritualized destruction.
And it involves an unusual toy maker who has a tremendous hospitality for processes of malfunction and decay.
So he has an unusual sensibility.
And the toys that he creates, which seem to wreak some havoc and seem to be terrible looking and to bring about some destruction,
actually in his mind and his imagination, comes from a tremendous openness toward what we might call horrible.
And so it brings from this sensibility through his sensibility we come to realize that maybe his vision is not necessarily so strange as it is accepting of even some variances
which others might not be so hospitable to.
Did you say this was part of the shorts?
Yes.
Okay, so it's part of a short block at 945.
That's right.
Do you know where you fall in the block yet?
I think it plays third in the text of show.
What brought you to do this?
Well, I was interested in science fiction stories.
And I wanted to do a short science fiction film.
And one of the things that interested me most about science fiction was that what it would start with in an author's mind,
would be a malaise or a paranoia, who that author would then take that paranoia and extrapolate that and put it on to society at large.
Okay.
And that paranoia would be whether giant ants or UFOs or whatever the case would be that's a streaking havoc on society,
that's the science fiction story or typically is the case.
And I wanted to look down that lens a different way and show not a sense of paranoia that's driving this science fiction story,
but rather as I say this sense of openness, you know, for variance.
Evolution that maybe not is a little bit frightening to some people is nevertheless evolution.
And decay is a creative process.
And so here is this unusual sensibility, hopefully opening our minds a little bit to that.
Any thoughts of turning it into a longer narrative or is it where you want it to be?
It's where I wanted it to be, yeah, yeah.
I think that's one of the great things about festivals like this.
Celebrating short films as things in and of themselves, you know, not calling cards for longer features or anything like that,
but films realized, you know, from with the beginning middle and in.
There's not that pressure of, you know, I need somebody out there that's going to notice this.
You're like, look, this is what this is.
Enjoy this for what this is and it can lead to a bigger discussion without leading to a bigger whole thing, if you will.
I feel like that's the case.
Is this the first time it's been shown?
It has shown in one other festival, but yeah, it's the first time really to show it locally under excited about that.
Are you going, are you, do you like sticking with short films or I'm trying to figure out how to get this from my brain to my mouth?
I know you don't want to expand this one, but are you more of a fan of just directing short films or do you prefer a longer narrative?
Where does your comfort zone lie?
Well, it's all rather reflexive.
I mean, I work in shorter forms because budgets are required for these things.
Right.
I have a sound interest in poetry and so which, you know, a shorter form and a lot of these films that I make start as poems.
And then I want to realize them in a more concrete way other than just a language on a page.
And so I get actors who are interested in this and in this case, a toy maker who actually makes these fantastic toys and stuff.
And so, yeah, I mean, you could really see the process of making the film in the film and there's the budgets, you know, or what they are for this sort of link.
I would love to do, you know, longer stories.
And I think I'm about to start one next year with some actors who are in it for the long haul.
And that's a big thing too, getting people in a commitment and stuff.
Time commitments are a thing for sure, yes.
Right. But I mean, I read a lot of poetry.
I enjoy Raymond Carver or folks like this who work in short films.
And I should think and never be a sense of apology about that.
Oh, there's nothing wrong with that.
Once you know where your pocket is, you know, this is where I am and this is what I'm going to do.
And you can get on the train or you can get off the train, but trains leaving the station either way.
Is sci-fi in your pocket or is there a better genre that you like to work in?
Well, that's the thing.
Yeah, sci-fi, I didn't know a whole lot about it before I started.
I decided, well, this will be a perfect way to learn more about it, you know, to make a movie.
And I wanted to have most of my themes are, I'm driven by myth, mythic emphasis, metaphysical ideas.
And I wanted to make a metaphysical movie that's done up in the hardware of a science fiction.
It seemed to me that's what a lot of science fiction stuff is too.
In addition to the paranoia, there's an idea of something much larger than ourselves,
which might be either frightening to us or comforting to us, you know,
depending on the sensibility of just telling the sci-fi story.
I wanted to also operate with that connect with the metaphysics involved in science fiction too.
And so this was a way for me to do that.
But to answer your question, no, I wanted to learn about it.
And so I wrote one and got some folks to help me out with it.
How was the writing process for you?
Because writing, I'm the kind of guy that I can write things, but I write in clumps,
where I can write 20 pages, something, and then not touch it for six months,
and then pick it up and write 30 more pages.
Is for your writing process, is that something that you just kind of formulate over time?
Does it all kind of hit you at one time?
Or are you, what kind of influences do you pull from for that?
Well, with the movies, they do hit me at one time, and that's also reflected.
That's a necessary thing because I get a character who's involved.
Well, I think I would like to give voice to.
Someone, an actor, or in this case, an actual toy maker, who does these things.
And for this story, I met him and saw the things that he was creating.
And knew there was only a short period of time, but notebooks are always handy and stuff.
And I went through those and found a voice that I felt like he, a non-actor,
would be able to do.
And he did a magnificent job in that.
So the writing came very, very quick in order to keep him excited and part of it
so that we could then shoot quickly.
So yeah, all the scripts that I work with for the shorts come about very, very quickly.
Only because I'm writing them about the time that I'm approaching the subject to do it
in order to keep their interest in it.
We move very, very quickly.
Do you only direct your own material?
I have not been only directing my own material yet.
One of the things we talk about on our show a lot because we cover a lot of,
we all think sports entertainment.
And one of the things we talk about when we review films is how,
as when the director is also the writer, it tends to be,
it's kind of one extreme or the other.
When you talk to the director and the director is like,
it's an advantage to me because I know the vision I have.
And then you have the other side of that coin where it's just like,
I get so frustrated with myself because I know what I want to see and I can't get it,
get it from here to here.
How was that for you?
Well, that's the thing that you discover through the making.
Writing about it, I see what you're saying.
I have one sensibility and I like writing a lot because that's a time
where there aren't a lot of compromises.
And I can work, construct the sentences of the way that I want to
and the scenes of the way that I want to.
And not necessarily everything that's in the script is realized in the movie.
But I do try to write out scenes and locations that I'd like to do.
And if those don't pan out, or at least there's some spirit in that,
the idea is there that might radiate out into a different scene.
And so for me, they have to be complimentary because I also photograph the films
and then edit them.
And that puts, gives me an intimacy with the actors,
or sometimes the non-actors and removing them performance,
that I think that if I were separate from it, either not the writer
or not the director photography film that sort of distance, I think,
it can be problematic.
And I think that you're finding more and more people who do either write
and direct or direct and shoot or direct and edit.
And I think this is very, very good as far as developing films
that have a sensibility all the way through.
There's been a lot of talk through the years about the three-point
writing structure for screenplays.
By page 25, if you're talking about a feature,
something necessarily has to happen.
Or the second big plot point is supposed to happen in page 50 or 75
and then through these things.
And I think it becomes, you know, audiences certainly pick up on this
and it becomes the part of the way the stories are told to the extent
that those are the only types of stories that are told.
And I think that doing it this way and encouraging others and being encouraged
by others who just bring a singular sensibility to it,
not everything has to happen, you know, at a certain point in time.
Certainly when you're making, you know, eight and 15-minute movies.
But I think for features too.
And I think that this is the thing that's changing.
It's certainly in the independent front because writers and directors
have to wear different hats, you know.
It might go easier if I had someone also photographing it,
but that's not my budget.
And I do want to be ultimately a source of income for people.
I would like to have an enterprise large enough so that people are hired
to come and do these things.
It's not a megalomania, it's just a matter of this is how they're done.
In the meantime, I am enjoying the sensibility,
the intimacy working with the actors and with everything just developing.
And I like the honesty there where you just said,
look, I'd like to have somebody else shoot this.
And I'd like to be back here.
And that's a hard line to draw sometimes.
Because just like I wrote this, I know what this should look like.
But the fact that you're willing to say, look, I'm willing to pull back those restrictions
and for somebody else to bring their vision to it.
And I think that's awesome.
Well, I'll say in this movie it features some stop-motion animation.
And I worked with a young man who was quite interested in that in doing that.
And I gave him the toys to do.
And he asked, was there anything specific that I wanted him to do with the stop-motion animation?
And I said, well, if you don't need any direction from me on it,
I'm happy to just let you go and to be delighted by whatever it is that you do.
And so the stop-motion animation that you see in the movie with the toys actually acting out,
you know, the sort of science fiction thing,
you know, the mock destruction of the world itself,
these toys moving around on their own, that's all of his stuff.
And I was really, really happy about that.
There's also some drawings because I wanted to bring, introduce,
a comic book aspect to it, or a graphic novel aspect,
because I think that's a lot of how science fiction is being distributed these days.
And so I talked with an artist who presented some pictures that we show.
And he wanted a little bit of directions.
Like, well, what should these pictures depict?
And so I wrote out some scenarios for him to draw.
And what he drew is just utterly fantastic.
And so these will come up.
So the storytelling plays out in a few different ways.
You have the toy maker talking.
You have then the stop-motion animation.
And then you have these visual drawings and stuff that these drawings that come up as well.
And I'm very, very happy to stand back and to let others create.
And the musician, too, the music is just wonderful.
And that's someone we talked with for a little bit.
And then just gave them the freedom to do that.
Because what a joyous thing.
It's like, we're going to do this project.
I guarantee you it's going to get made.
And we're going to do it as open and give you the creativity for that.
And that's why I'm able to make quite a few movies.
Because people can come in and they know that their voices are going to be heard.
And they're going to be able to realize some things that they want to do.
And to me, that's very, very encouraging.
The more open, you know, in that regard, the better.
What's next for you?
Well, the feature idea that I was talking about.
I wanted something I wanted to shoot locally.
And I'm excited about it.
I'm working on the script now.
I've got, a little by little, I've been accumulating equipment.
And I feel like I've got the equipment that I need to do that.
I mentioned having the actors who are totally in on it, which is wonderful.
Awesome.
And I make them producers, too, so that they have some skin in the game.
And however it plays out, you know, monetarily.
You always want these things to be monetized, you know.
Well, you want to take care of the people who take care of you.
Sure, exactly.
And then sustain this, you know, in some way.
And so they're doing it for a producer credit.
And we're really excited.
The digital technology has gotten to such a point that you can shoot in low light situations
and still get some fantastic images and stuff.
So you don't need the larger lighting packages anymore.
I'm very happy with the lenses that I have and the camera that I have.
And we can shoot interior and exterior.
And there's just nothing finer than if we're going to be shooting in the summertime.
And Texas is the June light, you know, in the mornings and evenings.
You can see a lot of sighting.
And it's just going to be fantastic.
Shameless plug time.
Tell everybody how they can get in contact with you if they want to have a chance to show the film.
Anything that has to do with you, Facebook, Instagram, websites, the whole night.
That's very, very generous of you.
Thank you.
My company is called Tropic Pictures.
And you can find us at www.tropicpictures.com.
Facebook page, also Tropic Pictures.
And my name is Richard Bailey.
I've got the Facebook page there that will also send you to the Tropic Pictures, Facebook page.
And I can say there's a lot of information about the movies and my own project.
And what's going on with the poetry and the film making and the experimental film making at Tropic Pictures.com.
Any upcoming viewings of the film you want to plug?
Besides tonight here in about three or four or three and a half hours or so.
Yeah, tonight is the big one.
I've had some very good success lately overseas with some of the films playing in Europe and Spain.
It was a very, very, very big summer for me in London and Spain and New York.
And so now I've just finished two new movies with a third one on the way.
And I'm hoping for some exciting festival news in future from that.
That is awesome.
A lot of these filmmakers, they work harder than I ever thought I could.
And I'm juggling three different gigs, you know?
I don't understand how they can do that without complete burnout setting in.
And again, in Jealousy Theatre 3, we spent a lot of time in Theatre 3 this weekend watching things.
Tonight at 9.45, the mock destruction of the world is part of the short block.
Get here on time so you can make sure you see there's probably sure there'll be some Q&A afterwards.
There will be.
Where you get to talk more than you got to hear him.
Now he has Richard Bailey, sir. Thank you so much for joining us.
Man, I'm out of breath.
I don't know about you're not taking that out of the breath. You're just over there typing.
I know my fingers are about to fall off just doing all this social media.
But that's what you do when we do these things, sir.
And a lot of people say, Chad gets awful quiet when you guys are on location with these things.
I was like, believe me, my friends. He's doing the other work that I don't have to
so that I can focus on the interviews.
Exactly.
You know, he's the one handling all the social media when we do these things.
And making sure that we're linked up with all of these great filmmakers and actors that we're getting to talk to.
This has been a heck of a weekend, my friend.
I am ampersanding and hashtagging my brain.
You're going to break your ampersand and hashtag key before too much longer.
Do you want to remind you next week also not a normal show or any of them really?
I was going to stop you, right?
But next week is WWE Hell in a Cell.
So we'll be doing our normal six o'clock central.
Also seven Eastern four Pacific show for that.
Make sure you tune in as we get you ready for WWE Hell in a Cell.
You believe it's the October pay review already, sir?
I can't believe my birthday's already come and gone.
It came with a vengeance.
Did it not?
Yes, it did.
A big day, the NFL in full swing today.
We haven't even got to talk about anything.
Football related.
What we did briefly.
My dolphins won.
It's a good day.
Sure it was Tennessee.
But I'll take the W.
There's not a there's not a strength of schedule ranking in the NFL.
But there's that Don upstairs working real hard.
He's been he is really like he really takes the bowl by the horns when we do these festivals.
And without him.
Because he doesn't want to get gored by it.
But still I mean without him doing what he does, we don't get to be as successful with these things as we do.
I'm sure we're going to get to talk to Kelly Kitchens a little bit later as soon as they get everything up and running upstairs.
Because that's what she's doing is she's promoting this festival.
That's a full time gig in itself.
Yeah.
You can when you come by you can buy t-shirts for the festival.
They have a limited edition t-shirt that Bart was wearing last night, which I found very very funny.
They had the Kirchiffs.
Yes, they have the Kirchiffs up there.
If you're a bandana kind of guy.
Or a date if you're done, come on by.
Well, there's a lot of people who are Kirchiffs on their pets.
Yes, that's a big thing.
So there's that as well.
So much going on Dallas Video Fest 28.
They're doing stuff all the way through the evening and then don't forget next week
they're wrapping everything up with the expanded cinema.
And if you've never seen this before, this is kind of a cool thing.
The Omni Hotel in downtown Dallas.
If you've ever driven by it at night, it's basically one big video board.
And it's kind of cool some of the things, but they'll actually be showing some experimental films
on the side of the Omni Hotel, which will be linked with music.
That you'll be able to hear and watch from across the freeway
in a very big open field that the people from Dallas Video Fest work with.
We've actually seen it a couple of times.
It's pretty cool.
If you participated in Aurora the other night, it will be kind of reminiscent of that.
They estimated 50,000 people got to participate in Aurora in this last week.
That is unreal.
With not only our friends from Video Fest, but also our friends with Dallas Summer Music,
I'm sorry, with the AT&T Performing Arts Center.
Yes.
I mean, they just, our vendors keep us busy.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Nobody's complaining.
Keep us busy.
Please keep us busy.
Yeah, we're not lying.
Let me just, I guess we need to go back to the iPad here for a little while,
which I can do.
I have the technology.
Let's see.
All right.
What do we want to talk about?
We want to talk some, oh, moving new releases.
We had just gotten there because this is the week.
What is going on here?
Oh, I can't keep a hold of this.
Undo.
Go back.
So much going on on my iPad right now.
Because this is back to the future week.
Remember Wednesday is the actual date from the forward movement in back to the future, too.
A lot of theaters, including right here at the Angelica, will be showing back to the future, too, on that day.
But there's also a simultaneous release, theatrically, and on DVD of a documentary
that you and I are very interested in, called Back in Time.
Yes.
That's actually going to be on DVD this week, too.
I am fascinated by this.
Also this week, the second part of Attack on Titan,
which, uh, front of the show, Steven Zimmerman's a big fan of the new Vendecel film
that's already being talked about as a franchise, called The Last Witch Hunter that hits this week.
And then something that I don't remember if you're a fan of or not,
the newest paranormal activity.
I was at first called the Ghost Dimension.
Released this week.
Also the Bill Murray film that I'm very interested in, called Rock The Casbah.
Basically, he's an older music producer,
and he finds a new artist, and the only way he can promote her is over in the Middle East.
Did you get to watch the trailer yet?
Yes.
What do you think?
Is this a, uh, uh, Wes Anderson film?
Oh, don't get me lying.
Well, I've had my, my, I've had the losing power.
Also, uh, Jim and the holograms.
This, this worries me.
I'm not going to lie to you on that.
Uh, so much else going on.
Oh, no, my bad.
That's a Levinson film.
Oh, is it?
It is a Barry Levinson film.
Rock The Casbah.
Uh, Suffragette, which takes place in England about, about women's voting rights.
We got a huge, huge display upstairs here at the Angelica for that.
Uh, Charlotte's very, very interested in that.
So we'll put that out there.
Also a movie called Bone Tomahawk, doing Tomahawk.
I can't even talk today.
Kurt Russell, Patrick Wilson, Sean Young, Matthew Fox, David Arquette, Michael Paray, who was the last time you heard his name.
Streets of Fire.
Uh, Sid Hague, Richard Jenkins.
Basically four men set out in the Wild West to rescue a group of captives from cannibalistic cave dwellers.
So Kurt Russell kind of got his research in early for the eightful aid I take it.
That also comes out.
But I've heard like, there's been a lot of buzz about that film going around lately online.
The hateful aid?
No, bone, bone Tomahawk.
Bone Tomahawk.
Come on.
Why is he Tomahawk?
Does that have a friend named Mike Tomah?
And that kind of thing.
Was that his nickname in school?
No, I don't know.
I didn't go to school with him.
Uh, DVD and Blu-ray, new releases in places.
You get DVDs and Blu-ray new releases this week.
You couldn't be more excited.
Jurassic World hits DVD and Blu-ray this week.
Hey, man, sir.
Also, of course, because it is back to the future week.
Back to the future of the complete adventures.
This is going to have all three films.
The entire animated series.
A bonus disc and like a 64-page book.
And the packaging looks like the flux capacitor.
Not the only thing it's missing is like a downloadable coupon for that game that they made.
Don't be surprised.
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
Also, the criterion collection does the foreign film.
Oh, I'm going to screw this up.
Co-Widen KWA IDAN.
That's your only criterion release this week.
Z for Zachariah.
This is a post-apocalyptic film with the Margi Maggie.
Why can't I remember her name?
From Wolfelwell Street.
And it was also in the Will Smith Focus movie.
Oh, Margot Robbie.
Margot Robbie.
Uh, she basically plays a...
There's certain sections of the country you're not allowed to go into because there's radiation poisoning.
And she lives in a safe zone.
And she is found by a guy.
And they just kind of live on the land.
And he kind of starts to fall for her.
And then there's another guy that gets involved.
And she kind of falls for him.
And it's one of those things.
It's like a post-apocalyptic tequila sunrise.
It's a nuclear fallout love trying.
The Vatican tapes that came out earlier this year.
That looks creepy as I'll get out.
A Tari game over.
It's a Blu-ray and DVD release.
Oh, good, good, good.
And we were just talking about that with Harry Nozzon Friday night.
Yes, indeed.
Also, the Wolf Pack.
Not the WWE.
Okay, you got me.
This is the movie about the guys that were basically sheltered.
And so they spent a lot of their times recreating movie scenes.
This was shown, I believe, at the diff earlier this year.
I think you're right.
And WWE Night of Champions is released this week.
If you want to re-live that.
Oh, look at who's joined us in the chat room.
Maddie.
Young Maddie Mar.
Really?
Who had a big fundraiser this weekend I saw.
She's not related to what we're talking about, but who cares?
God bless her.
Oh, and in mentioning Harry Nozzon, I actually sent out a tweet to him.
Thanking him for showing up on the show.
He retreated us.
That was very nice.
It was my pleasure.
You guys were great.
Outstanding.
Some college football notes.
Since we've had some time to talk here.
Steve Sarkeesian was fired as USC coach the day after we talked about him being on a leave of absence.
For an unknown ailment.
What?
This is not the same one, is it?
What were you thinking?
The one with alcohol in the locker room.
Yes, that is exactly what it is.
He has been fired as coach of USC.
Let's see.
Go back here.
Okay.
Did you think it's still too early for box office numbers?
You'd have to pull them up because I've got a lot going on right now.
Also, Steve Spurrier steps down as coach of South Carolina.
But the early rumor was he was retiring and then a day later it was he was stepping down.
I really think he's not going to coach anywhere else.
I think this is the final stop.
Yeah.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made him some kind of a...
I wouldn't say the AD because I don't think they're ADs in any danger.
But they'll probably make him like a meridus of some form.
I don't know if you know I'm a fan of the old ball coach.
Yeah.
Probably some national championships.
One of Highsman when he was at Florida.
So there's that.
Florida's quarterback speaking of which.
Will Greer was suspended for testing positive for performance enhancing drugs.
He is stating that it was an over-the-counter medicine that he didn't know he couldn't take.
And Florida is helping him with the appeal.
Because if the appeal stands, he will be suspended for the rest of this year and the first six games of next year.
Call.
Because it is a one-year suspension.
Do we want to talk about the Lamarola thing?
The what?
The Lamar Odom thing where he was founded in a brothel this week.
Still haven't heard any updates on how he's doing.
I've heard there was some progress yesterday.
But not enough to really say that he's anywhere close to out of the woods yet.
Did you hear the amount of the bill he racked up all he was there?
75,000 grand.
75 grand.
You know, and there are a lot of NBA players have come out and said,
look, you know, we're not here to judge.
Let's just hope that he's going to be okay and all that.
And I'm on board with that.
You know, everybody does what they do.
And you never want anything bad and that like that to happen to anyone.
So we just hope all the best to his family and friends.
Okay.
Let's see what else we've got going on here.
Let's see.
Interesting article I read this week that from a wrestling standpoint,
starting this past week during the 9 p.m. Eastern Sports Center every Wednesday,
there will be a WWE segment.
Really?
On ESPN.
Do you understand how big of a step that is?
That's pretty huge.
You know, because for how long did we talk about ESPN kind of poo-pooing on the sport professional wrestling?
And you want to go, did you feature this thing for years?
It's been a pretty big come around because they've done a couple of profiles on pro wrestlers.
Although it's usually about wrestlers that are on the downsides.
Right.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But I think this is pretty neat.
Speaking of the WWE, they are in talks with one Alberto Del Rio, sir.
Really?
That is the rumor I am hearing.
Isn't that kind of talking at both sides of their face?
No.
You know, I mean, they like to have that demographic.
Well, but given the reasons behind why he was let go.
Fair enough.
And then given the reasons why they've distanced from Hogan?
Indeed.
It does seem a little bit too faced.
Sammy Zayn worked the Evolve shows this weekend.
He did not work their eye-paper view.
But Triple H actually put the announcement out there that he was going to be working for those independence this weekend.
Which is also a huge step.
Because WWE has never been very, very good at recognizing anything that goes on with the independency.
Yeah, that's true.
Which has also though led to rumors of some kind of a business joint venture.
Both sides are denying.
So take that for what you're paying for it.
Also, we did the information on this year's tribute for the troops.
It will be taped on December the 8th at Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena in Florida.
And it's going to air on December 23rd at 8 Eastern.
I believe I've been there.
I've been to that base anyway.
Let's keep going to some TV talk while we're sitting here as well.
Jimmy Fallon.
Oh no, now what?
Have you ever thought to yourself, you know, what better way to wear my official teen gear than to have their logo on my armpits?
It's never crossed my mind.
Jimmy Fallon now rolling out a new line called Hands High.
It's $35 for a shirt and $80 for a sweatshirt.
Where they put the logo on the armpits of the shirt because when you go to high five somebody.
Oh god.
And I heard this on another podcast, one of my favorite podcasts, Hollywood Babylon.
My first thought was, is this maybe a tonight show bit?
Well, there you go.
I don't know.
But this just seems weird.
It's one of those, like, it could be really a thing, but it could be a bit.
You know what I mean?
No one Fallon.
Si-Fi has canceled Dominion after two seasons.
And from what I've read, it looks like they put a bullet in Haven too.
You had mentioned that earlier this week featuring Adam Copeland, who was also on the season premiere of The Flash.
That's who's been around a while.
Yeah, I didn't realize it had been around as long as it had been.
Six or seven?
Six.
I believe six.
Some other casting news for NBC's version of The Wiz.
I don't know if you read this this past week.
David Allen Greer is going to be the cowardly lion.
Uh-huh.
And Neo will be the Tin Man.
Yeah, I've seen the trailer that they've done.
They're doing that live in December, correct?
Is that what they're doing this year?
I think it's Christmas week.
Okay.
ABC is talking about rebooting fantasy island with a female lead.
Oh no.
Tell me if it's not Ricardo Montalán.
Welcome to fantasy island.
Like, it's weird to me.
Because then UPN tried this once.
Yeah.
Then they do this with this and the love boat.
And the love boat, huh?
You know what?
If you're going to bring back the love boat, you need to do it with Antonio Bannon.
Soon we'll be making another run.
Don't you think Antonio would be a really good fit?
I'm Antonio Bannon.
And welcome to the, how you say, fantasy island show.
Two weeks or three weeks from yesterday, November the 7th.
Your musical guest on SNL will be Sia.
And we will not be seeing her because she always turns her back to the audience.
Your host will be Donald Trump.
Oh boy.
There are already political groups threatening to boycott the show if he continues to be the host.
Especially of a certain ethnic group that he has been very vocal against.
Interesting news from the Walking Dead.
That premiere was the lowest premiere they've had in three years.
Which still, I mean, those ratings are still nothing to shake a stick at.
Yeah.
It's still one of the highest rated shows on television.
It just, it wasn't higher than the premiere for Fear the Walking Dead, which I thought was weird.
Well, but the Fear the Walking Dead was something new.
You know what I mean?
So I can get that.
But still, I mean, is AMC really going to cancel that thing?
No.
Just be honest.
So, big news for the lovely and talented Mrs. Irvin.
Season nine, episode nine of this season of Grey's Anatomy.
Going to be directed by one Denzel Washington.
Yeah, I saw that.
And I guarantee.
Have you ever watched that YouTube video?
No.
It's like seven or eight minutes of every time he's used the word guarantee in a film.
I'll splice together.
And he says it the same way in every movie.
Okay.
All right.
That's my Denzel Washington.
That's all I got.
It's not very good.
We saw Damien Dark.
He was introduced on Arrow this year.
And you know, a big fan of the guy playing him.
But they're going to cross him over with, uh, with the Flash as well.
I like that character.
And I like how when they did the season premiere of Arrow, they kind of referenced it to remind
you that he's been brought up before.
Yeah.
So don't be shocked when he shows up.
Yeah.
But wouldn't he, the guy that played Bison and the Legend of John Lee?
Yes, he was.
But he was also one of my favorite shows called Boomtown, which is very good.
And see, you still haven't watched that movie.
And I, I, I, I, I watched enough of it.
Oh, you have to watch it all the way through because it's so bad.
It's good.
You're not, you're not selling me on it.
We should do a commentary track for that.
If we're good, that's what we need to do.
If we're going to do commentary tracks, we need to do them for movies that we know are terrible.
Because you know, like, front of the show Doc Houser does, they do bad movie, United
his place every couple of weeks.
That's going to be a long list, but that's going to be fun.
You kidding me?
Also FX is developing a series for why the last man really someone's finally going to
attack all that thing.
I'm a big fan.
If you don't know why the last man, it is a comic book series where a virus basically
kills every man on the earth except this guy named Yorick.
And he has, he has a monkey.
You know, I'm in.
You're in on that already.
And it's about his exploits of be basically there's a group of women that are hiding him
from the rest of the population because they're going to want to kill him if they find
him.
I got a bunch of the issues of this when it first happened when I was still collecting
comics.
CW has canceled America's top model after 22 series.
I never watched an episode.
Why would you?
Unless it was on the soup.
Did you ever get to watch Hansel and Grittle witch hunters?
Uh huh.
Yeah.
Uh Paramount wants to make it into a series.
That doesn't surprise me.
Wait a minute.
Paramount wants to make it a movie series or a TV series or there want to do a CW or something.
It's probably on CW, but Paramount's developing.
Okay.
I guess I can see that.
Would you, is it something that you would be interested in?
It depends.
It depends on who they get involved with it.
And ABC is developing a TV sequel because you demanded it.
America to my best friend's wedding.
Who demanded that exactly?
I said America.
I didn't say you specifically, sir, because I know you take umberage every time I say
that.
No, because apparently America needs to have their heads smacked around.
And that's all the headlines I've got.
So I don't know where it dawns up there doing what he does.
I'm sure we're probably just waiting on having, you know, once we know Kelly's down here,
but she may be busy as well.
And we're creeping up on the two hour mark of this show.
We are 158 right now because you know, whatever we do these shows, they always run along because
that's just what we do.
We do want to talk more about Dallas video fest 28, give it 22 more years and this thing
turns 30.
And all the great people involved with this and we definitely want to send the shout out
to all the volunteers because it takes a lot of volunteers to put on a film festival
as we have seen from the handful that we've done so far.
Without these volunteers, the gears don't move.
And they move very, very well with these people doing what they do.
Oh, there's Don's pad.
Where's Don?
It's like he's got a place mate because it's like a place for him, a placeholder.
But all the people that have worked so hard to make this thing go as well as it continues
to go as well as it has.
I mean, if you walk upstairs, there's no confusion.
Everything's nice and calm.
Everything moves around.
Some press friends of ours are upstairs, given some great interviews.
I've already been told that they, that they're making it happen up there.
So much going on right now, it is a well oiled machine.
Looks like we've got one of our filmmakers from the animation block joining us.
All right.
Have a seat, sir.
Have I got the mics on?
I do not.
I do now.
All right.
We're going to let you introduce yourself to our audience.
I'll give you a second to get your headphones set.
Feel free.
All right.
Go ahead and introduce yourself to our audience, sir.
Talk right into this thing, if you would.
Yeah.
There you go.
Yes, my name is Jonathan Bazan.
I'm studying at Khan College, Spring Creek.
Major is digital video, but I do specialize in visual effects, so making things blow up.
Oh, so you were referenced earlier on our show as the guy that likes to blow stuff up.
We already have something in common.
You just get to actually do it, where I get to think a lot about it.
Right.
No, I mean, I dream, and I sleep, I did dream, I think about it all the time.
How to make things so cool, how to make things, how the movies, how they do it, and I try
to break it down and try to work it in my head and actually make it, you know, try it
out every single day.
So you've got some work in the animation block?
I do.
I have two short animations.
Go ahead and talk about it.
Well, one of them is like a dark theme, kind of like inspired by Blizzard's Diablo.
Oh, you have his attention with the arc angel.
So pretty much everything's dark, you get this moody feeling and then angel burst through
ceiling, looks around, bunch of dark devils, spirits all around and he says, you know, screw
it.
Let me just clear this thing out.
He blows everything up with his holy light and then just the end epic music flies into
the air.
How long is the short?
It's about, I would say about four minutes long.
Okay, so four minutes that I really want our listeners to really get a framework around
the amount of work that goes into you.
How long did it take you to make four minutes worth of footage?
Four minutes on my own would, I would say about four, five months.
So you're getting a minute a month done and is that full time or just whenever you get
a chance to?
Full time and of course, yeah, whenever you get a chance.
Yeah, because I don't think a lot of people understand the amount of work that goes into
something.
No, they don't.
And it's just like these guys, I mean, my mother worked in computers for years.
She just retired from Hillet Packer a couple of years ago and she would always tell me
son, a computer is only as smart as you tell it to be.
Well, not only do you tell, have to tell it how smart to be, you have to tell it what
to actually do.
Right.
So this was all done CGI?
CGI with different programs, Maya, 3ds Max, After Effects, Premiere, some audio editing
programs.
So it's, yeah, all CG and then you know, some visual effects thrown in there just for
the day.
How many, what number project is this for you?
Number project, I would say, my fifth.
Wow.
Yeah.
And you said you've got another one in here too.
Tell me about the other one.
Second one.
This one's a green screen with CGI.
Oh, wow.
I am the actor in it.
And what is it?
It's, I call it, Dragon's Last Light, what it is, it's kind of like a gimmicky story
of, you know, last man standing to defend the world.
I have, I got my hands on a red antenna and I use that as the point of the plot of the
story that this guy has been chosen to save the world against, again, demons.
And so I traveled to this parallel world and end up in, I would say, the pits of hell.
And battle, just kill these demons and flash around with flashy lights and pretty fire.
And do a last stand against this big old demon guy and, you know, epic music comes in
and then I look into the camera and, you know, kind of fade out to the darkness.
How long is this one?
This one is, I would say about four minutes long as well.
About the same amount of production time?
Yes.
Yes.
So you've done four or five different projects.
Where are you looking for your career to go?
Do you want to go in more of a cinematic animation?
Are you looking more towards video games?
Where does your passion lie?
Especially for blowing stuff up because you can do that, you can do that just about anywhere
in entertainment.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But I do want to, you know, throw kind of mix traditional filmmaking with CGI, making
things blow up.
You know, having, I don't, I've never thought of, why not have a drama and something epic
and then and maybe everything blows up.
You know, why not something that'll catch your attention, something that'll make you
think, but at the same time make you say, wow.
So you want to stay cinematically with it?
I do.
I do want to end up being a filmmaker and I run, but I do at the same time want to specialize
with visual effects and green screen, blue screen, you know, all of that.
Favorite medium to work in?
Green screen, CGI, hand-drawn, green screen and a GoPro.
You know what?
I never would have put pyro and GoPro together, but I like the concept.
Yeah.
Because if you get that, all those action moves and everywhere that you can put the GoPro
at and then are able to manipulate that and edit that very well and post, then you can
put some cool CGI into it.
And now that we have this record that he said that and nobody's done it yet, if anybody
does it, he said it first.
Because I never would have thought, yeah, a GoPro camera in that kind of environment would
be awesome.
Well, did you ever see the Jedi with the GoPro short film?
But not with the explosions.
Yeah.
Maybe I didn't see all of it then because I was thinking the explosions would be awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was it was pretty intense.
How long have you been in the program?
This program I was here last year, I submitted three shorts last year.
Yeah, we talked to him before.
It was the guy that we watched on the phone, didn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah, we watched a couple of them.
Yeah.
Wow.
You've grown the hair out.
Yeah.
That's what it was.
Because I was like, OK, I remember.
But did that guy had really short hair?
Yeah.
It jumped to me.
I went to your Facebook page on my phone.
Oh, yeah.
This is the guy.
OK.
So, but how long have you been in the Colin College program?
This is your second year or three?
This is my, this will be my second year.
I started my career in Los Angeles.
I came from California and I studied, I did my two years there, general education, all
of that.
And then fell in love with it.
And, you know, I thought, you know, industry is a little saturated over there.
So, let me come over here where it's a little bit, everybody's starting up.
Everything's fresh, growing.
How many people have we heard say that on it?
It's just this weekend alone, much less in all of the festivals we cover, that are coming
from Southern California to Dallas specifically.
That's a good thing.
Yeah, it's a great thing.
It's just, it's fascinating that I don't think a lot of our listeners really understand
that.
Because, you know, we go everywhere in the world.
You can listen to this show anywhere on the globe.
And people think, Dallas, no, really, Dallas, it's an influx, there is an influx of talent
coming into this town.
And there's also a lot of, there's also a lot of established artists in this town that
are going to help get you where you want to be, which I think is awesome too.
Oh, yeah, this is where I come to these events to network and meet people.
And, you know, it's one day, people keep telling me, one day, the person that you meet
one day, it's going to give you a big break.
Exactly.
And you never, it's sometimes it comes from the most unlikely of places where people
like, oh, I saw you, Dallas video fest, you know, you did, oh, okay, you know, I'll
roll with it.
But, no, believe me, the passion is there.
I dropped everything.
I'm telling you, I dropped all my friends, my family, ex-girlfriend, I dropped everything
to come over here.
I don't know, the last one might not be a bad thing if she was your ex.
Oh, she was my girlfriend and then she came to my ex and came out here.
Yeah, I dropped everything, believe me, the passion is there, you know, he's got his priorities
exactly, exactly, sir.
See we can say that because our spouses are geographically desirable, but, wow, I mean,
so how much longer do you have left in the program before you move?
I would say two more semesters, and I'm done.
And from there, you know, wherever the job takes me, you know, it takes me, I'm willing
to go, you know, is there anybody that I'm going to put you on the spot here?
Any specificity that you really, really, really, really want to work with?
Deltaro.
Good choice.
Yeah.
Who oddly enough has a new movie opening this weekend, Crimson Peak, which I know Chad is
very, very interested in.
Right in my wheelhouse.
I love that stuff.
You know, and of course, the amazing director, filmmaker and actor of, you know, Kale Bell,
you know.
They're like, Quentin, Quentin's like, it's just great.
Who were waiting on the new Opus from?
I don't know if you saw the, this week, they announced that there's going to be a 70 millimetre
viewings of the hateful eight.
Oh, yes, yes.
So I saw it in YouTube.
I saw there were, Dr. commercials and there's going to be like, it's going to be longer
than the theatrical cut, and it's going to have an overture and an intermission and, and
do you see how they made that move?
I saw the, no, I haven't seen the, behind the scene stuff yet.
There's this channel, there's this channel called director's chair on YouTube.
On YouTube?
Yes, on YouTube.
Well, it's on cable, but on YouTube, where they interviewed him for two, two, one hour
shows.
Oh, good lord.
Part one, part two, they interviewed him and asked him, you know, he went through all
his pretty much career.
Wow.
I mean, it's amazing.
I'm still watching part one, but, yeah, you should see one of those guys that he sees
things that a lot of people don't.
You know, somebody he probably needs to look into.
Who's a Gutierrez?
I can't.
From Book of Life.
Director of Book of Life.
You have talks about people over at Real Effects.
Who's here?
The tears interview is him in that show, they talk, because they're best friends.
And that dude is an amazing character.
We talked to him for like, what, 30 minutes he's at the dip this year, one of the nicest
guys that we've ever met.
He's a nice guy.
And what's crazy about Real Effects is you can drive around to eat their one and not
know where they are.
And all of a sudden, like, one day, we were parking in the car, I'm like, oh, that's
where they are right there.
And really, and again, for people that don't know if you've seen the Book of Life, that
was done here.
Like, what, 10 minutes from where we sit right now at the Angelica, about the Stone's
throw.
Well, let's talk a little bit more about film.
I mean, first of all, you've already had the shorts, because it would, about 45 minutes
ago, how to go.
But, fortunately, I got there as soon as I was playing, watch the whole thing.
I was running late.
I just got off work.
And, you know, it looked good, it looked awesome.
I, of course, I made the sound to be epic.
So a lot of bass.
It sounded great.
Like, to make the people down the street wet the bed.
That's right.
Especially with the explosion, you know.
Hey, nothing wrong with that.
That's why I have a home theater system like I do.
I want to make sure I get the immersed experience that I'm watching.
We were watching back to the future too last night, because, of course, you know, this
is back to the future week.
And just that, just the subwoofer, just rattling in my living room.
It drives my wife nuts, but God, I love it.
Hey, yeah.
I love bass.
Oh, especially when you get, when it enhances what you're doing this way.
Exactly.
In front of an explosion, it's just like, without your subwoofer, you know, the subwoofer
gives it just that, just that part of it, you know.
That's the exact thing.
It makes you worthwhile.
Let's talk a little bit more about film.
We'll keep you for a few more minutes if you don't mind.
No, I don't mind, of course.
We are now in the Mad Dash to the end of the year.
What is the film right now that you're like, I cannot wait any longer for this movie?
What's on your radar?
I'm a nerd, so I would say Star Wars.
Did you see the new poster?
I did.
That went up today.
Oh.
And we're supposed to be getting the final trailer this week.
Well, they're putting, they've already put three clips up online, like three, 15 second
clips peaking the teaser that they're going to show during Monday night football tomorrow.
Oh, that's right.
It's during half time of the game.
See that?
Yeah, during the, during half time of Monday night football tomorrow night, they will be
unveiling all the footage, which I'm already booked for an event.
That's okay.
I may have to, I'm sure it'll be up online by the time I get home.
Yeah.
By the time you're driving home, you'll probably be halfway through the event.
They're probably going to have it posted.
Yeah.
Just try not to watch it on your phone.
Oh, no, no.
If I'm going to watch it, it's going to be on my, at least on my PC.
If I could watch it on a smoke signal, I would watch it.
Right.
Also, you can, apparently they have announced you will be able to buy tickets tomorrow.
Really?
Tomorrow is the official day for tickets, pre-sales for Star Wars, The Force Awakens.
That is so diving, two minutes.
My, I have set the over under, and we've talked about this.
From the first three days, 18th, 19th, and 20th of December, domestic, I'm not talking
in international right now.
I am setting the over under domestic at 300 million, and it will hit a billion domestic
by New Year's Day.
That is my official prediction.
And Chad, did you take the over the under, did you push?
Are you talking about just here in New Year's?
Just domestic, domestic, not international.
I just, I agree with you.
International, I think it's a half a billion.
Right.
Because it comes out in Europe first.
By one day.
By one day.
Yeah, I think, I think they said that the UK is going to get it one day earlier.
Yes.
Did you notice one of the finer details of this poster, by the way?
I haven't had a chance to really dig into it.
There is a new Death Star on this thing.
Oh, is there really?
Yes, there is.
Oh, I just saw it.
I just kind of breezed, yeah, because I was like, I don't want to get too deep into this
thing, because I know it'll, it's, I'm going to be here all day if I don't.
I just, man, you're right.
There's a couple things, like I'm ready for Spectre next month, and as a guy who likes
to watch stuff blow up, there's going to be a lot of stuff blowing up.
And that is really looking, there's a lot, like we're actually looking forward coming
up in a couple of weeks, a movie called Truth, which is the story of CBS 16 minutes looking
into George W's Military Past, where Robert Redford plays Dan Ratter, which looks really,
really good.
The good dinosaur from an animation standpoint.
That's next month.
Well, it's just new movie that's coming to come out by with the Caprio, where he's
in the wild.
Oh, the remnant.
Yes.
I just saw the trailer for that the other day.
It's based on a true story, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes.
Have you seen this trailer yet, sir?
No.
Oh, epic.
Cow.
Right now I'm drinking in the quad poster for The Force Awakens.
I will turn it around for you.
Oh dear.
Yeah.
You're about to cry.
For those of you that don't know what a quad is, it's basically for the,
the size of four posters into a banner that you see when you go to movie theaters.
That is gorgeous.
Look at the dead star.
Yeah, there is it.
Look, it looks cool.
It looks like a Pokemon ball.
I wonder if they're calling it a death star, too.
That would be the third one, wouldn't it?
Oh, third.
Oh, yes.
Third one.
Yeah.
Wow.
Or maybe a death.
$300 million, sir.
And our first good look, if you don't count the behind the scenes stuff of Leia is on
this poster.
But somebody is not on the poster.
This is true.
There is no Luke.
There is no Luke on this thing.
There's no Luke anywhere.
So I'm very interested in that.
There's all the droids.
Wonder if he's going to have a mask, a mask.
I've seen a couple things that I, I don't know that I give a bunch of credence to from
the set.
But up, Don's here.
You're, you're already hot, Don.
You're good to go.
I'll let you had something very important to tell us.
Oh, no.
Hi.
OK.
How are we doing upstairs?
Are we ready for Kelly yet?
All right.
We're not a problem, Don.
You can say it.
We're going to.
It's all right.
We're still broadcasting live.
Don, I need to go make sure the restrooms eat current health code.
So if you could kind of drive the boat here for just a couple of minutes.
We were just talking about movies we're looking forward to as the movie, as the year goes
on.
All right.
I'm here.
Sorry about that.
All right.
So what have you talked about so far?
So we talked about movies, inspiration, and they asked me what, you know, what my shorts
were about.
OK.
So what are you looking forward to this year?
Looking forward to it.
We were talking about just Star Wars right now.
Oh, yeah.
But that's going to break every box office record when that happens when I comes out.
Isn't it?
All right.
You could tell mainstream Hollywood, they are mad at Disney because they're releasing
that on December 18th.
And that's going to be, that's usually when they do the big Oscar bait, the, you know,
the foo foo movies and stuff like that.
There's only one movie that's going to be opening against Star Wars and that's like
a chick flick.
Yeah.
So I'm talking right now that, which is kind of smart, you know, well, Tina phase in it.
So you've already, yeah, you get a strong presence in it.
But yeah.
So that's the women don't want to see that they have something extra, but now everybody's
have a way to the 25th, you know, I'm looking forward to me personally.
I'm the hateful eight, of course, you know, Terrentino, yeah, I'm looking through that
one.
Of course, Star Wars, everybody in our dog is going to, you know, look forward to that.
Also that Leonardo DiCaprio, the Revenant, yeah, we were just talking about that one too.
Yeah.
That one looks like a barn burner on that one there.
Yeah.
That's probably Oscar bait too.
Yeah.
One we had the pleasure of seeing, which will probably be an Oscar buzz is the spotlight,
light spotlight.
Yeah.
That has Mark Ruffio, Michael Keaton on that one there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We already saw that about six weeks before it came out.
It probably comes out.
We can't talk about it.
I know, but I'm just saying that it comes out November 13th.
And of course, we will have an I-10s exclusive on that coming up in a couple of weeks.
Exactly.
Our brand is crisis is looking really promising.
Yeah, with Bullock and Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton based on a true story as
well.
What's that about?
What's that about?
It's basically Sandra Bullock plays a political campaign in America.
Oh, okay.
I saw a trailer for it.
Yeah.
That looks really good.
I just, this is the best time of year really for movies in general, because the summer
is good for your, again, your wheelhouse blowing stuff up, you know.
Oh, we can't forget about the peanuts movie either.
Oh, yeah.
We've got to talk about the peanuts.
That's what works two weeks away from that.
Yeah.
And of course, the truth with Robert Redford, which we talked about that a little bit ago.
Absolutely.
It's just, it's such a great time for movies.
Bridge of Spies just opened.
I mean, I don't know if you guys talked about that or not.
Great film.
Really, really good film to go check out.
Right now is I'm looking out the window here at the Angelica, the walk with Joseph Gordon
Levin.
I don't know if you had a chance to see that visually stolen.
Do you have to see that in 3D?
I do.
Yeah.
How many times have I recommend you have to see it in 3D?
And it's just like I said on Facebook, I wonder how people could hear you talk about it.
Oh, I put it on there.
Subscribe, I'd like to.
It's on there.
And you know what I don't really hear a lot of people talking about?
What's that?
The finale of the Hunger Games.
Believe it or not.
It's coming up.
It's coming up.
Yeah.
It's a month away.
Well, I think what's going to happen is you're going to have a media bullets on that
right after Halloween.
I think it's really when that thing is going to hit.
I've seen one or two posters around, but that's really bad.
I do like the new one sheet, though.
The new one sheet.
Yeah.
There's a couple.
I've seen two of them.
Well, they've been promoing the heck out of Spectre like long before this month, but hardly
anything.
I mean, you see a little bit, but nothing all that will happen.
Spectre's been real feast or famine, which is kind of weird to me because Spectre is
like, whoo, here's all the stuff.
And then we don't talk about it for three weeks.
Spectre's been promoted really weird for me, and once then was that one open?
The same week as peanuts.
Oh, really?
The same day as peanuts.
Right.
Which is, I still think that's kind of early in the month for a Bond film.
I always remember them being opening later than that.
And then Thanksgiving week, you've got the good dinosaur, Creed, and Victor Frankenstein.
Oh, Creed, I forgot about that one.
That one looks really, really good.
We talked earlier about that director is going to be the guy directing Black Panther now.
Oh, really?
The guy that directed Creed.
So also, I mean, I'm just looking at the posters right outside of the Angelica Chad.
You actually saw a good night, Mommy, which I am avoiding like the plague because I'm
still working that out, save out of me.
He called me, he named me Malala, which we both very much enjoyed as well.
This is just a great time of year for films.
You were looking forward to the crampus?
Not really.
Now, should Star Wars that have been a summer blockbuster or is it smart to release it right
in the food for you?
It doesn't matter when you release that movie.
It's going to make a bajillion dollars.
Oh, everybody knows that.
It's going to break every box off.
It's going to break it out.
No, but episode eight will be released in May.
Of course.
Save amounts that.
I thought that was kind of weird that they decided to do episode seven in December.
Well, I think they're doing it to sell toys.
That's a fair point.
Force Friday.
I never saw the final numbers on Force Friday, but they did really well with all that stuff
in September.
Because I work at a retailer and those toys are gone.
Most of them are Star Wars are gone.
And then you're probably, I wouldn't be surprised if CU used to happen to see a video game
in time for Black Friday.
Yes.
Battlefront.
Battlefront.
Battlefront.
Yeah.
Is that the week of Battlefront?
That's going to be a critical December.
That's going to be a critical December.
That's going to be a critical December.
Is that December chatter?
Well, no.
He's saying it's going to sell through.
And Battlefront looks amazing.
Because they're going to have a bundle with the PS4 and the Xbox and then the.
Because the bait is out there.
People are already baited to test.
The friend of the show Stone is a baited tester for.
That's going to be a Christmas gift.
I'm going to ask somebody to give me that.
And for a guy that works in animation, it looks insane.
It does.
Like I thought the first footage I saw if I had been holding a bottle of water in my hand,
it would have been on the floor.
And they have like in the sound effects of it.
Oh, it just sounds so good.
It's just it's just making that line between fantasy and reality that much more blurry.
Exactly.
I mean, everything's very fluid.
Because that's always been my contention with video games is when characters talk,
it just doesn't look right.
And it looked and we're getting closer and closer and closer and closer.
But we're still that's just the one thing that sticks out.
And I but battlefront does just it looks insane.
Especially flying the A wing and.
There's people listening to our show.
I'm not going.
Why are they talking so much geek culture because that's who we are.
We are.
And remember we are geeks not nerds because geeks are nerds with social skills.
Yes.
That's the difference.
Know the difference people.
Anything you want to plug before we let you go do what you do and have a good evening.
Well, I do have a Vimeo page.
Okay.
I will be updating a lot of my work because I am still working on more stuff.
I'm never resting.
Of course.
Let's see.
I have a Vimeo which is Vimeo for slash dot wall Vimeo dot com for slash Jonathan.
E bazon.
That's Vimeo dot com former slash Jonathan E bazon.
B a Z a N.
Yes.
Yes.
That's right.
Thank you for that by the way.
And yeah.
Just I'm also going to start a whole new YouTube page for my work because I was never comfortable
putting stuff up unless I'm satisfied.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
So I'm going to start a new YouTube page.
So I'm going to link all of that together.
And yeah, I'm going to start getting portfolios ready and reals ready.
And you know, just to get my work out there and try to get a dream job.
And I am or big studios and you know, make stuff blow up in the big screen.
All right.
Sir, two years in a row.
We appreciate having you here.
Thank you.
All right.
Pleasure.
All right.
Go enjoy your evening.
You've gotten past all the nerve-wracking stuff.
Go just go have some fun.
That's right.
All right.
You are listening to the Clubhouse podcast.
We are still live.
Angelica Film Center Mockingbird Station.
You can take the rail.
The rail dump sheet just right next door to this place.
But Mockingbird Station, like you can throw, I can throw a rock from here and hit the dark rail.
Well, don't hit, don't throw.
I'm not going to do that.
But I'm just saying if I wanted to, I could.
That's how close it is.
Especially, you know, last day of the state fair, maybe you're wrapping up and you're not ready to finish or even.
Take the rail right back here.
Come hang out with us.
I'm not saying it's going to be any better than a state fair.
But, you know, maybe a lot less crowded.
I'm sure it was a nightmare today.
Well, we didn't we do this two years ago.
We were on the last Saturday.
It was two years ago today, by the way.
And I was, I needed therapy after that.
I was having claustrophobia, meltdown attacks out there.
I was, you couldn't step in any direction without bumping into someone.
But I think that's the state fair in general anymore.
It was never that bad when I was growing up.
But again, anymore.
There's a lot more people involved in that.
The Dallas itself has gotten a lot bigger over the last few years.
You know, this is really because a lot of people have joked that Dallas is trying to be the New York City.
Well, you know what?
It's getting pretty dark on close.
Yeah.
On multiple fronts.
I still love this town.
And I still say you can build a future in this town.
The price of the console here is not as bad.
And you have room to, you have room to grow.
Whereas in a place like New York, they're kind of running out of real estate.
Well, I mean, we've got some, but it's not, you know, it's, it's getting taken up fast too.
People are moving farther and farther out into the suburbs.
Well, like, you know, some of these smaller cities that have just exploded.
You know, you know, there was, you know, I remember a time when Frisco was just a spot on a map.
Wasn't anything out there.
I remember when the ski was a spot on the wall.
Well, this is true.
But I mean, as far as like what Rockwall looks like and, you know, the expansion that Plano has gone through leading to Frisco, it's, it's just massive.
Let me see if I can pull up some, some numbers here.
Because we should be, we should pretty much have box office numbers ready to go.
It looks like we do.
So let me pull those up.
Remember, you can listen live on YouStream.
Remember, you can also subscribe to this show on iTunes.
We put the show up very, very quickly after we go off air.
So that you can kind of listen to it at your leisure as the kids like to say.
All right, let's talk some box office numbers while we've got a few moments to breathe here.
Dropping out of the top 10, quite a few films drop out this week.
Dropping from 8 to 12 black mass, $1.27 million, $5 weeks, $60.2 million, $53 million budget.
The walk drops from 7 to 13 with $1.2 million.
How much?
Three weeks.
That can't be right. Am I looking at that right?
I'm seeing the same thing you are.
That can't be right.
We have to get some verification on that.
Dropping from 9 to 14 this week is Everest, $1.17 million.
$5 weeks, $40.7 million on a $55 million budget.
And dropping from 10 to 15 is the Shamanamadindong movie, The Visit.
$1.15 million, $6 weeks, $63 million on a $5 million budget.
Yeah, I've actually heard good things about this.
Still not going to see it. Still creeps me out.
Dropping from 6 to 10 this week is Mage Runner, The Scorch Trials, $2.75 million.
$5 weeks, $75.4 million on a $61 million budget.
Debuting in 9th place this week is the faith-based film Woodlawn with Sean Aston.
$4.1 million, I don't have a budget on that, but it's got to be not much more than that.
From 5 down to 8 this week, Sicario, $4.5 million, $3 weeks, $34.7 million on a $30 million budget.
Not a lot of mainstream promotion for this film.
Most of it coming, the only promotion I saw for it was like I had nothing but trailers.
I think I found an updated box office gross on the walk.
Okay, what's it look at?
A little bit more generous of what you and I were seeing on box office mojo, $26.6.
That's not bad, $35 million budget.
Dropping from 4 to 7 this week is the intern, $5.4 million, $4 weeks, $58.7 million.
I can't imagine it not making it some money back because I don't have the budget here,
but I can't imagine it's much higher than that if at all.
I'll see if I can find it.
Dropping from 3 to 6 this week is pan.
$5.9 million, $2 weeks, $25.7 million on a $150 million budget.
That's not taking a bath, that's cliff diving.
Okay, what were we looking at for the intern?
I need the budget, yeah, it's made $58.7 million.
Oh, well maybe this is international then.
According to Wikipedia, it's 116.9.
Yeah, it's going to be international.
For $40 million.
That's what I figured.
Hotel Transylvania 2 drops from the silver medal to 5th place this week,
$12.4 million, $4 weeks, $136.4 million.
Doing very, very well and deservedly so.
Very entertaining.
Also, this week, debuting in 4th place,
a movie we just talked about, Crimson Peak,
just under $13 million, $55 million budget.
So this could go either way.
Well, it's going into the Halloween,
Bruhaha, so maybe it will kind of hit another, you know,
get it second win.
Bridge of Spies opens in the bronze medal position.
$15.3 million.
Are you reading what I'm reading as a budget on this?
Oh my gosh.
$40 million?
Did that all go to Tom Hanks?
I'm wondering.
The Martian finally defeated,
but only falls to the silver medal, $21.5 million,
$3 weeks, $143.8 million on a $108 million budget.
So even if you add the rule of 50,
which people say it takes $50 million to budget a film,
it's almost break even.
So I'm wondering if this is one of Ridley's
more commercially successful films since Gladiator?
It has to be.
And it's good.
Who see this movie?
Because I really don't think that Hannibal did that well.
Commercially.
Don't give you started.
And King of Heaven, although it was a good film,
I still don't think it made a ton of money.
Now, I could be way out of pocket
and not even thinking about Prometheus here.
And winning the weekend,
as we probably figured it would,
brand new release,
Goosebumps, $23.5 million,
it's almost halfway to budget.
$58 million.
I know.
Don't get me started.
Go listen to the iTunes exclusive on this
if you're going to do anything,
because that's the only way you're really,
because I don't want to get Chad started.
No.
But that's your box office totals from the weekend,
which we actually already have,
because of course,
they're estimates, but, you know,
they're usually pretty solid.
Anything else you'll find out going on, sir?
No.
Way to put me on the spot.
No, I mean, I had to get the box office numbers.
So next week, of course,
we'll be the pre-show for WWE Hell in a Cell.
That tends to be a little bit shorter
than our normal shows,
especially since these shows have gone as long as they have.
Don should be back any minute,
I would assume.
I didn't look at the time when he gave me this notice
for who our next guest would be,
but he'll be here very, very soon.
We are live at Dallas Video Fest 28.
28 years as things have been running up.
There's Don right there.
Perfect.
Angelica Mockingbird Station in Dallas.
So much going on this weekend.
Don, have a seat, sir.
Introduce us to our next guest, please.
We got Josh Mills,
who is basically the man running the Covax Award.
Can we say that?
Go ahead and put your headphones on, if you want.
You know how important Josh is?
His name is printed on his credentials.
Oh, really?
Ars are handwritten and just say press.
That's how important he is.
Talk right into the microphone if you would, sir.
Yeah, I don't know how I got that.
Well, when I'm looking at your credentials here, sir,
you've more than earned it.
Like Don said, he runs the Covax Award
that was the Covax Award that was just given out.
About an hour ago?
Yes.
Just finished right now.
Yeah.
The son of Edie Adams,
and you also run the Covax and Adams estate.
Yes, sir.
But you have my utmost respect, sir.
Donald, thank you.
It's really great.
I mean, it's fun to be able to make your own decisions
and, you know, do things with integrity and do things that you, you know,
think people would like.
And, you know, unfortunately,
Ernie passed away like 50 plus years ago,
so we're always trying to do good things.
And this is one of the great things we do over a year to try to keep his name out there
and make sure people know Ernie Cova.
And you do it very successfully.
Thank you.
Mine, I add.
I mean, when we found out, I mean,
this is our third year covering the festival.
And when we heard about the Covax Award,
I was like, you know what?
Why doesn't this guy have an award named after me?
Because my eyes lit up.
I loved Ernie.
Absolutely loved him.
And you talk about somebody whose work stands up.
Like, you can show an hour's worth of Ernie Covax to anybody at any time, anywhere.
Yeah.
And it's still funny.
It's still innovative.
It's still witty.
It's still great.
Well, what's been really nice is that we've released a couple of DVD box sets.
I have one of them.
Oh, good.
All right.
Absolutely.
And we've gotten some audio projects off the ground, some Percy Dubtonsel things.
Oh, God.
And it's been really gratifying because for a lot of years, you know,
we have a fairly large archive.
And it's only kind of come out in drips and drabs.
There was a point where in the 90s, HBO was going to run Ernie's show.
And it didn't happen.
That was a surprise.
Whenever, after Showtime did that documentary on him.
And we were talking about that part of it.
How much he loved that documentary.
I even liked the biopic that they were Jeff Goldblum played him.
You're one of the few.
But that's great.
I did like it.
I'm anything associated with Ernie.
I'm a huge fan of.
I can't imagine how much of a trip it must have been for your mom to curl up with that man.
I mean, it's weird too, because I actually have, I obviously never met him.
He passed away six years before I was born.
Exactly.
I mean, I grew up in the house that, you know, he had his den and we had all the stuff in.
And there were things like suits of armor and dueling pistols and his den,
which was a famous, you know, sanctuary for him.
So he was sort of omnipresent all the time, even though he wasn't my dad.
But this is actually true.
When I was about five or six, I was exposed to the Adams family.
And I thought it wasn't that weird of a show because I really thought.
I was out there.
Are they filming that?
When you were describing your house, I'm like, did you live in the Adams family house?
Well, my mom's last name was Adams.
Exactly.
And so yeah, you did, I guess.
There were bear skin rugs.
There were, you know, all these things that were sort of macabre.
Ernie was a dark guy.
I mean, he was funny.
But he was, I mean, if you look at his stuff and there was a darkness to it.
So that's, I just grew up around that.
He was Tim Burton before Tim Burton was Tim Burton pretty much.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, he famously, he has this den that was sort of his place where he could play cards and write and take a sauna or whatever.
My brain is exploding right now.
But he was able to build a wine cellar.
But it wasn't just enough to have a wine cellar.
He actually had to get the prop guy from NBC to come in and spray it with cobwebs.
I was fake cobwebs.
So that it looked, you know, 200 years old and creepy.
And I remember it.
You literally had to like move a rug and you had to pull this like giant trap door contraption and walk into this space.
I mean, he was, I mean, he was very creative and weird, obviously.
He was building a bed cave for his wine.
Very much so.
Yes.
So talk a little bit about how you were and how you kind of had inroads with video fest and how that whole thing happened.
Sure.
My, uh, my mom, ED Adams, uh, was contacted by Bart Weiss and, uh, wanted, he wanted to do an recovery.
And we, she really thought that it was a great idea.
And how long ago was this?
Well, this was the very beginning, I believe.
Of video fest itself.
Yeah.
Um, and I don't know until later there was an actual Ernie Covax award.
But I think it was sort of the impetus of, uh, of making that happen.
And, you know, it, it's, it's funny because video now is a kind of a, what is it?
An agronistic term at this point?
Almost.
Yeah.
Uh, but what's great about it is that the people that we've gotten to, you know, receive the award, like Chris Elliott tonight, um, and Bob Elliott, of course, uh,
are people that we really respect and like and, and want to, you know, feel like there's in some way a kinship.
Yeah, we had Chris on early and tonight.
He was our first guest tonight.
Couldn't have been cooler.
Yeah.
Super nice.
And it's just, it's one of those moments where you're like, this dude's here.
Yeah.
And to be as cool about it as he is.
Like, he's like, this totally came out of the blue for us.
Yeah.
We could not be happier with this.
Like, he had just landed, but he was, he was hyped up and ready to go.
And it's just when you get to, there's, there's a certain level of somebody once said, you don't ever want to meet your heroes.
Yeah.
But in a situation like this and, and with the festivals we've covered, you don't get that.
It's been a, this has been a truly unique thing for me because I've gotten to meet pretty much everybody, uh, that we've given awards to Teri Gilliam, Paul Rubens, uh, Joel Hodgson, Martin Moll, Robert Smigel, on and on, and to a person.
Uh, all have been incredibly nice.
Teri Sheer.
Teri Sheer, absolutely.
But they've also just been very gracious and almost like, you know, not that you wouldn't expect it from, from people, but it's refreshing to see people who are sort of reverential and say how much earning, you know, would meant to them and their career.
And it's something we like to say when you meet us, like, do you know who you are?
Like, you know, like this, you are, like you are Teri Sheer, you are Paul Rubens.
And for them to be as humble and thankful as they are, it's, it's refreshing.
Teri Yeah, I mean, it's, it's so funny, even just hearing Chris Elliott just talk tonight, uh, feeling like, like he's just a regular guy.
And, you know, I'm sure he is just a regular guy, but at the same time, when I was 15 and I was watching, you know, late night with David Letterman, that was the winner's most bizarre thing.
You know, after Carson, which was very conventional to me at that time, I still love him.
You still the king?
Yeah, absolutely.
But when I watched that as a kid, it was just like, what, what am I watching?
And I do want to ask him later, like, you know, your characters were very sort of like mock lazy or mock tired or you couldn't really, you know, figure out a way to, you know, do this or do your character.
But yet, a lot of time and effort and thought went into this, how did you do it? Like, I just, I'm just as much a fan, I want to know.
Well, I told him I was a fan of Get A Life.
Yeah, absolutely.
And he just kind of like, whoa, somebody remembers that show.
I love that show because it had that humor that you're like, I'm laughing at this, but not in the context of the show.
And, and we talked about, you know, him really being the first intergenerational family to be part of Saturday Night Live and could not have been a nicer guy.
And you kind of get to be the curator of all that.
So God bless you.
I mean, you have to wake up sometimes and go, yeah, this, this, this is my life.
This is what I do.
There, there's a moment or two when you're making a phone call or something.
You kind of just go like, this is kind of cool.
I kind of enjoy this.
And, and we did box sets.
My mom's show had never been seen since it was broadcast in 64, 65.
We did a box set of that.
So I get to do a lot of things.
And, you know, I mean, a lot of it quite frankly is to make sure that people don't forget that there was a history of this.
I mean, before we did my mom's box set, there was literally one website that had information on her show.
And that was it.
And we were able to put it out in its entirety with all its guests.
And, you know, didn't have to cut musical numbers like all that stuff.
And those are things you don't think about.
But, you know, it's the complete series.
How much of the reins do you get?
How deeply are you involved in things like that?
Pretty deep.
I mean, there is someone that works with me and I actually shouldn't forget him.
His name is Ben Modell.
And he is sort of the co-vax archivist.
And he really does know everything that I don't.
So whether it's a date of a program or a character or what network or whatever, he is just like,
it's almost, he's got this second brain where he can just pull it up in a second.
And it's amazing.
So Ben has been really instrumental in a lot of things and helping me compile this.
But in the end, it's really sort of me and then coming up with the ideas to do it.
And sometimes with a company like Shout Factory with Ernie Stuff, they have some input too.
And, you know, we'll take everything into consideration.
But I do get a chance to kind of run it.
How much right now can you say just off the top of your head is left to be put out there?
You know, we...
There's more to be said probably next year.
Okay, fair enough.
Fair enough.
But there is more.
We did put out a lot of Ernie Stuff on the DVD sets.
It's probably now 27 hours or something like that.
There's a lot.
There is more.
And we're also...
I mean, there's new avenues.
We didn't really have streaming the way it is now, you know, five years ago, six years ago.
Right.
So there are other formats, other ways we're trying to get it out there.
I did just find my mom...
Okay, I'm going to back up a second.
When my mom was on Ernie Show on CBS, which there are very few, I think, one exists of Ernie CBS show that that's it.
Wow.
She was singing songs and was not a pop singer.
But they wanted her to sing pop songs of the era.
So she was a classical singer and decided I'm going to get a transcription company to record the audio.
Just so I can hear my vocals.
We have now found a hundred shows, about a hundred hours, excuse me, of the CBS show that are not video,
but are audio-only air checks that will record it off the air.
And it's just like, oh, here's another hundred hours.
Oh my God.
So what do we do with that?
Do we animate it?
Do you try to put it as a podcast?
Do you try it?
Those are things we're trying to figure out.
Not that we're not partial to podcasting.
Yeah.
I would love, if you just had the audio, I think the animation would be cool, but I really, what I'm seeing in my head,
I would love to see a roundtable podcast discussion where you just see if you can get people that are just either uber fans,
or maybe people that might have been involved with people that were involved, and just make it turn into a roundtable discussion.
That's a cool idea.
This is the clip we're going to talk about this week.
I want to know as much as possible, here's the people that we're going to have on.
Let's just do this thing.
Right, right, right, like a behind the scenes.
That would be awesome.
Yeah.
Because I don't have enough podcasts that I listen to now.
Let's just add another one.
Well, I mean, what's great about it is that I can guarantee nobody's heard it since it was originally broadcast.
God.
So there's things like that where you have to treat it very special, and you only get one opportunity to do that kind of thing.
So absolutely, that sounds like a great idea.
How much time do you have to prepare when it comes to who they announce that's going to get the award?
How much do you really have to do as far as leading up to something like today?
There are a lot of conference calls, and we all kind of throw out names, and sort of whatever name we sort of come up with,
we all try to reach out to it in, you know, one person reaching out, five, in a way that makes the most sense.
The hard part is you're talking to people about something that is months away, and we can't really pay you for it.
So can you come for further and do this?
So when people do come, it is a real treat that they really do feel like this is something they want, or they are appreciative of it.
So that's what makes this special.
And I don't know that you can answer that question, but I'm going to ask it anyway, and the worst you can do is say no.
How long, fair enough.
Now, how long is the short list once you narrow it down?
Because I'm sure that there's got to be a plan B or a plan C.
You know, it's anywhere from, I would say, five to ten names.
And it's really just things like who we think are the most co-vaxian, quote unquote.
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
Some people who are pushing the boundaries in a way that co-vax couldn't, you know, quite frankly, you know, it's all been white men that have gotten this award.
And so we're thinking about other things because they're definitely funny women out there.
Absolutely.
You know, a lot of things.
So there are things that come into play all the time and, you know, we want to, you know, keep going and, you know, do smart things.
Off the top of your head.
If there's no restrictions, no, there's no reason to not get this person.
Right.
Who is it?
Wow.
You know, the name Carol Bernad has come up.
Oh.
She's also a Texan.
Yep.
Not Dallas, though, I don't think.
But she is a Texan.
San Antonio.
Okay.
See, the voice you're hearing who's trying to be as quiet as she possibly can, which is unusual.
It's the great Kelly Kitchens.
And I'm just going to put it out there on Front Street.
If it is not for Kelly Kitchens, none of this happens.
We don't sit here.
We're not necessarily here.
But we don't sit where we sat three, two years ago.
All of pretty much everything that's happened since Dallas Video Fest 26 is because of this woman who sits catty corner from me in front of Chad.
And that's just real truth.
Oh, yeah.
Debate me.
Thank you.
No debate here.
Not from here.
I'm just saying in general, she is one of the most amazing people in the world.
Oh.
As much as we say, Don is the hardest working man in show business.
She makes him look lazy.
Oh.
I mean, she just she works incredibly hard.
So we want to make sure we know that everybody knows that she is here as we're having this discussion track.
Okay.
So back.
Let's get the train back on the tracks.
We talked Carol Burnett.
Anybody else off the top of your head?
I mean, you know, we've talked about people like Billy Crystal.
They've talked about.
I would be such a fan boy.
Yeah.
I mean, Ken Peele, a lot of different stuff.
Are they just not brilliant?
Yeah, they're amazing.
When somebody told me that they were going to be writing and directing the police academy reboot.
Yeah.
I was like, normally not a fan of reboots, but you put these guys names on anything.
And I'm in.
Yeah.
They kind of figured out a way of doing comedy that just broke wide open.
Yes.
And I don't know how they did it, but the fact that they're really funny.
And the fact that they just decided when they were going to kill the show.
Like they said, this is our last season, and we're done.
Yeah.
They didn't fall into that trap of kind of like Sheppel did.
Mm-hmm.
Comedy Central was going to throw him just back up a truck to his house and dump money.
He was like, no, I don't have anything else to say.
Right.
And I don't want to dilute what I've already put out there.
Mm-hmm.
And the fact that these guys, they know how to pick and choose their projects.
What's funny, you know, as a fan, you kind of go disappointed.
Like, I'm not going to see the Sheppel show or I'm not going to see these things.
But when you kind of take a step back and you look at the reasons why.
I mean, maybe there are other reasons I don't know.
But when you take a look back, you're kind of going like, you know what?
Maybe it just ran its course.
I mean, totally taking this off of the track to music.
I just saw the documentary on the jam that was just on Showtime.
Oh, I've watched it yet.
It's really good.
But at the end, Paul Weller just says like, unequivocably, no, I will never reform the jam.
We were at a point in our lives in our world.
And we're never getting back to that.
And there's really no point to doing it.
And all I could think of my head was, you know, what would glass and berry pay them?
What would Coachella pay them?
You know, like check five million, ten million.
What do you want?
It was like the rumor.
What was the rumor offered as Zeppelin?
No, I didn't.
It was like 750 million between them to just do like six dates.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And of course, plants, they hang up.
But, you know, but you've got the O2 show, which was amazing.
Like, I've only seen clips from it.
And I swear if I had to close my eyes, it was, you know, 1967 again.
Yeah.
And on a certain level, it frustrates me.
Like, I'm a huge Phil Collins fan.
Yeah.
And the fact that that Genesis reunion tour never made it this far south and made me want to throw stuff off of a roof.
But I got why, like, we're only going to do this many dates.
I thought you were going to say that Phil Collins, like he did at Live Aid,
was going to play with Led Zeppelin, which everybody said, like, that was just not a good move on end of the fight.
But it's, I respect the fact that they were just like, what, this is where it's going to be.
Yeah.
Because, like you said, it's going to dilute.
If we try to force it, it's going to dilute the product.
Well, it's also a thing of, you know, if, let's say the jam for argument's sake said,
okay, we're going to do one Coachella show.
Thank you very much.
Well, who's going to put in that much time, that much effort, rehearsing,
being with people maybe don't want to be with all the time?
Indeed.
And to do one show, if you're going to do that, you're going to play 30 or 40 shows and go on tour.
Because if you're going to do it, whether it's one show, you might as well do 50,
because you're going to make a ton of money.
It was, like, Phil's last tour was called this first final first final farewell tour.
Yeah.
Which I thought was great.
Yeah.
And on a certain level, we never thought we'd see the police get back together.
Yeah.
Which we're like, we're doing on tour.
And that's it.
Because those guys, Stuart Copeland was here earlier this year.
Couldn't have been nicer.
Could not have been nicer.
But those guys were like, look, we're kind of doing our own thing.
And we, just, just the view of we don't know that we'd have enough heart in it to give you
what you want for what you're going to end up paying for it.
I get that.
Well, I had a friend say to me, you know, whether it's for money or whether it's for
any other altruistic reasons or, you know, kids don't know you or whatever it is,
you better just go out and kick ass and be great.
Exactly.
You can't go half ass and just go, well, you know, I'll just go up there and everybody will love me
because of that.
You really have to have something to prove and to show.
And kind of colliding these two worlds.
The whole deal in the late 70s with Lauren Michaels going on a Saturday night live,
offering the check for the Beatles that come on the show and George shows up.
Yeah.
He's like, you know, this was for all of you.
You can give Lester Ringo if you want.
It's your business.
And the rumor was that, like, I think John called Paul and said, do you want to go?
Like, do you want to go over there?
No.
All right.
But they like, they actually as a joke, we're going to go.
Just all show up.
Just like three of them show up like on the spot.
Okay.
So kind of getting the thing back on track a little bit for a more time with the covax.
We've talked about maybe who your dreams would be.
Who was the one person that's gotten the award that surprised you the most?
Did you do the most when talking to them?
You mean about covax or just as people as a person?
Just the people that you've met that have received the awards that the person that surprised you the most in person?
Well, I mean, it's hard to say like one person.
I mean, two a man, literally a man.
They've all been really super nice and reverential and, you know, it's been great.
I think it was a complete shock that Terry Gilliam actually happened to be in, you know,
the United States when he was doing something with Monty Python.
He could be here.
So that was just a trip to watch him walk up to my mom and go like, oh my god,
Eddie Adams, you're so gorgeous.
Look at those legs.
Look at this.
You're so amazing.
I just thought, oh my god, it's, you know, I would have passed out.
Yeah.
It's like Terry Gilliam.
I mean, it's like, it doesn't get a chance.
Yeah, to talk.
Yeah, when you meet him, it's like, how does that conversation even start?
Because there's this many directions and this many questions.
And I know I don't have a ton of time, but there's so much I want to know.
Well, and he famously took, supposedly took the pythons to, before was the Paley Center.
It was the Museum of Broadcasting in New York.
And when they were going on one of their tours in the 70s, he basically took,
I think it was two of them.
I don't remember who and said, I want to show you the guy that you've been stealing from,
but you've never seen before.
Wow.
So he was a huge fan when he was growing up in Minnesota
as a kid.
And he gave us a great quote for the box set.
He couldn't have been nicer.
But that being said, Joel Hodgson and I are still friends.
And he's such a great guy.
A lot of people don't understand the comedic genius that lies in his head.
Yeah.
I've watched a few interviews with him where he's just razor sharp.
Yeah.
And it makes me miss MST 3K really, really bad.
Well, hopefully you won't have to miss it too much longer.
Well, I've heard the rumors and I've heard so many different stories.
I'm just kind of like, until I have something to watch, just don't tell me anything.
Because then you're going to make me sad.
Yeah.
Because now I'm going back to before there was comedy central when there was the comedy channel
and there was Ha before they merged.
Oh, you're going deep cuts.
Oh, yeah.
Because I mean, I've been a comedy fan my entire life.
I was a small kid.
Sports weren't going to be my thing as much as I love sports.
So I had to resort to some kind of a defense mechanism and comedy was it.
I figured if I can make people laugh, they won't pick on me.
It's bad.
And so I really attached to the form and when I found out there was going to be not one
but two channels on my cable that show it all the time.
You're going back to short attention span theater, which not a lot of people remember.
That was John Stewart's start that he was a co-host of short attention span theater
where they would just show quick clips of stand-up comedy for an hour.
And you got to know comedians that you wouldn't know otherwise.
And then came this show that you're like, I do that.
Yeah.
And they've actually made it kind of into a weird two hour sitcom about it.
And it just, I love that show so much.
And he's another one.
I don't know, like there's so many questions I have and I can't pick out the first one.
Well, what's interesting again, we're talking about Joel or Paul Rubens or whatever.
People say, you know, don't meet your heroes or any of that.
To a person they've all been so gracious and so nice that almost treated me like, you know, a buddy or a friend very quickly
that, you know, we don't go hang out and have beers all the time.
But at the same time, it just sort of felt like, oh, you're not just this kid hanging around that sort of like, you know,
kind of hanging out with your mom doing this thing with any co-vacs.
And so it was always very nice to feel like, you know, you had something to contribute.
And they made me feel pretty good about it.
I just, we could, I could do this for hours.
I'm not kidding you.
Like, this is, I love the fact that this even exists.
You know, and I love the fact that they put a nice little real together that they played with the co-vacs or whatever
year.
So the people that don't know who he is, like, wait a minute, I've seen that.
No, he did it first.
Well, like you said with Gillian, this is the guy you've been ripping off and you didn't know you were ripping off.
Well, and the crazy thing is you have people, kids, I mean, whatever.
You know, I think if you put up a picture of Jean Kelly, half the audience would go, I don't know who that is.
And that's the part where you're just going like, you know what, I didn't grow up with Jean Kelly, but I knew who he was.
Yeah.
I kind of get that he was one of the best, if not the best.
So it's sort of my job to make sure that, you know, as much as I can, people remember Ernie and, you know, kind of put a face
to a name and why he was important.
And that's why I take it fairly seriously and, you know, humorous way.
Well, we're also in a generation two where history was important to us.
Yeah.
You know, we wanted to know what led us to here.
And it's weird to me how much more media is so easily accessible, but people don't want to take that time.
When it's easier than it's ever been.
Yeah.
You know, it's the time.
Google versus a card catalog.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like the dewey decimal system still melts my brain to this day.
Yeah.
But we figured it out because we wanted that we had that hunger for that knowledge and that knowledge is so much easier to get, but nobody wants to go ahead and get it.
And it just, you know, sometimes when I'm with friends of mine's kids, I'm like, okay, we're going to sit down and we're going to watch this today.
We're going to take, take whatever you're watching and put it to the side because we're going to watch something that's really honest to God comedy.
Not the cheap laugh, not people, you know, barfing on each other.
Let's go to what makes comedy work.
Well, I have a young daughter and, you know, I let her watch, you know, American girl stuff and McKenna, the, you know, gymnast thing,
stuff that I don't know anything about.
But I also make sure what her favorite movie is The Pink Panther Strikes Again.
Oh, I like this kid already.
You just hit his wheelhouse.
She really thinks he's hysterical.
Like she keeps, oh, this scene is the part where he falls in the water and then he hits him with the orange.
Like, she loves the movie.
It's the best one of the series, too.
It's one of my favorite lines of cinema.
Just, it's a bum.
Yes.
And she loves the joke.
Does your dog bite?
No.
Yeah.
That does not.
That does not my dog.
Yeah.
And she'll do that.
And I'm just like, you know, I just kind of have to show her that.
I feel like that's important.
Peter Sellers is great.
And just, and again, you just sound like this is what got us here.
Yeah.
You know, this is, these are the people that these people, it's one of my favorite examples of that.
I'm a Kevin Smith nut.
And he was doing a Q&A when, uh, when chasing Amy came out.
And they were saying, you know, the scene where they were comparing the scars.
Yeah.
Like, that was lethal weapon three, right?
No.
That was just.
That's the perfect example of that generational gap where you just, you want to make sure that the generation that we leave behind has those things.
And I love the fact that you've gotten so involved making sure that that footage gets out there.
Because you lose that you lose the pioneering genius if you don't.
Yeah.
And again, I mean, it's very much of the moment now.
I think that everything because the internet is so instant that you're only aware of.
I mean, there's a thousand choices on the internet to see anything you think is funny.
Agreed.
But you have to, you know, have a little bit of understanding of what came before.
And, you know, when I was a kid, you know, I remember my mom taking me to tower records when I was a kid and she would buy me.
I'd walk up with cassettes of like national ampune or Richard Pryor or, you know, Steve Martin or whatever it was.
And she would go, these are all really great.
And they're very funny.
And she would let me, you know, if I said a dirty word, you know, okay, whatever.
But she also bought me this thing called like 25 years of recorded comedy.
I was like, listen to that.
And so she.
I do remember that set.
Yeah.
And it was a two cassette set.
So it was like one of those dual, thank God it's Friday, dual opening, yeah, cassette boxes.
And it opened like a butterfly thing.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So she encouraged me, but she also made me, you know, make sure that I knew other stuff as well.
And that's, and again, that's what we have to do to preserve this.
And you're doing an amazing job helping preserve that.
I'm going to quit question.
Please do.
For Josh.
Okay, so what's the story behind ED Adams on the last Lucy on Desi show?
Because it was, it was the, it wasn't, it had gone beyond, I love Lucy at that point to the Lucy and Desi hours.
Correct.
You know, what's funny about that is that about 10 years or 15 years ago took on a life of its own.
She wouldn't play any character. She was playing herself, wasn't it?
It was, it was an episode where Ernie and my mom, I think Desi wants to be on Ernie's show.
Right.
Because who didn't want to be at that point?
Of course.
The irony is that Ernie really wanted to be on his show because they had the great ratings.
And you know, they were the big ones on top.
Ernie never had ratings.
So they wanted to be an Ernie show.
And Lucy, you know, hilarity ensues and she gets them on the show, but all this stuff happens in between.
What they didn't know was that they were divorcing.
And this was the last show they were going to do.
And they go, go on set.
My mom told me this story where they go on set.
And Lucy was very tough.
And my mom arrived, as she usually did for everything she did with her hair done and her makeup.
And she was very professional and whatever.
About 10 minutes later someone walks up, you know, my mom basically, Lucy doesn't like your hair.
Can you go do your hair over?
Okay.
I gotta do my thing.
This happens like three times.
What happened was, as Lucy saw it, liked it and wanted it for her hair.
Oh dear.
And didn't want my mom to have it.
My mom was too gentle and kind and whatever.
My mom was like, you know, Ernie and Desi, you know, they go smoking cigars.
They're happy.
They're outside.
They're, you know, having a good time curousing.
She's like, I had to keep washing my hair, redoing it, whatever.
But when she chose the song, that's all.
She didn't realize how pointing it was because they were breaking up.
And the song is basically about sort of the end of a relationship or love.
I can only give you this.
I can only give you that.
Right.
And she said by the end of it, the whole crew was crying.
And she was like, wow, I must have been great.
That was really good.
They're like, what you don't know.
And they kind of told her then, like, no, this is it.
And she was like, oh my god, I had no idea.
So she didn't know, but that was the last show.
So you just picked this song to perform and wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, I heard something like that.
And I was just like, ah, I'm going to ask.
But if you go on YouTube right now and type in like Idiotoms, that's all invariably.
You're going to see people singing that song, like as a tribute to my mom, singing it to them.
I mean, that's really heady and weird.
But it's great.
Wow.
Yeah.
People love that song.
Yeah.
Well, oh my gosh.
I had such a beautiful voice.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
Did you inherit anything of that?
No.
No.
I can carry a tune.
I'm more of the background person.
I'm not.
I thought for a while when I was younger, I'd love to write comedy or.
But I just, music was my thing.
It was a more immediate.
I seem to gravitate towards that.
So I work in the music business.
Yeah.
I'm a musician as well.
And as witty as I like to think I am, it always comes back to music for me.
Yeah.
You know, it was another one of my defense mechanisms.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There was a, I went to school, Emerson in college in Boston.
I thought it was going to be a screenwriter.
I mean, I planned that and got it out after school and realized, you know, 20 pages into a script and like,
I'm like, 23.
Like, I don't know how to write for a 55-year-old woman.
Something about best late plans.
Yeah.
And I panicked.
I didn't know.
I was like, I just spent years trying to do this and now I can't do it.
So I blindly just started sending resumes off and got a job in the music industry because I realized that you could make a record.
And it would come out, you know, six months later or a year later, not like a movie, which could be two years, three years.
And in the end, it could bomb and, you know, there goes the last three years of my life.
Right.
That's my journey.
Okay.
I'm so glad that you're here.
Absolutely.
And we need you to do shameless plugs, though.
Oh.
Because we're all about shameless self-promotion.
So.
Okay.
EDietems.com.
ErnieKovacs.com.
There's also DVD box sets on those sites.
Shoud Factory, MVD.
Omnivore Recordings.
Did two ErnieKovacs Percy Devtonsel's records.
I like the name.
Yeah.
If you're in Dallas and you go to good records, I just saw two copies there in the vinyl section.
Nice.
Have you ever seen the Percy Devtonsel's bit?
I can never confirm or deny that.
I loved the Percy Devtonsel's bits.
My brain's a little fried right now.
I already had a hard time.
Four.
I already had a hard time deciding between Percy Devtonsel's and the Nairobi trio as my favorite bits on that show.
There are really those are the two characters that people are the two scenarios that people seem to remember the most.
And wondering who was underneath the masks on any given performance because I've always heard of the rumors of people that were a lot bigger than...
Well, I think the story went that when they would do it, especially in the New York years, my mom was doing it with Ernie.
Sorry, but I forget the third person right now.
That was always a rotating person from what I had read somewhere.
Yeah, but what's interesting is that Ernie would get asked to do this at charity functions or just as a one-off.
And that's when you would have Jack Lemmon, Frank Sinatra, and Pearl.
That's the one.
You know, and they would literally, you wouldn't know until the end of it when they would take off the mask.
They don't make me exactly.
People go like, it's Sinatra.
Am I mom?
Did you say Mini Pearl?
Did I say Mini Pearl?
Did I say Mini Pearl?
I was just going to roll with it.
If I said Mini Pearl, forget it.
I'm just surprised you got Frank Sinatra were a mess.
Well, it's funny.
My mom told me this funny story.
So, Frank, like I know him, Frank.
I don't think he's going to mind if I go on that at this point.
He lived like three doors down from Ernie and they were very good friends.
So Sinatra was having all this construction worked on in his house.
So there was this porta potty at the street level and they had big driveway.
So there were gates and blah, blah, blah.
So there was a big porta potty in front of Sinatra's one.
And Ernie is a joke.
Oh, no.
Calls the porta potty company and says, put another one out there.
And then next day, put another one out there.
So finally, Sinatra, who was putting this, you know, porta potty up there.
So then Ernie gets one, put to his house and then it's like a race.
Who can put the most porta potty's?
And finally, at about 20, I think they went up there.
They're not done with the joke.
And if it's one thing that everything I've ever read about the chairman,
he was all about the one-upsmanship.
Oh, yeah.
One of my favorite stories I ever heard about him was he and Dean were going to be playing golf one day.
And the night before, Frank was going to keep him up as late as he couldn't get him as drunk as he could.
So he wouldn't be able to play golf as well.
Well, Dean just finally called it.
Says, I'm going to bed.
He's like, no, he's like, no, we got to get up early and play golf in the morning.
So Dean goes back to his room and about an hour later, there's a knock on the door.
And he opens it up and there's these two beautiful women sitting on the other side of the door.
And so he looks at him and he goes, did Frank send you?
And they're like, well, yeah, he's like, how much did he pay?
And he said $750.
She's like, okay, hold on.
So he goes back into his room, comes back with 1,500 and says, tell Frank I was amazing and shuts the door.
That's awesome.
I'm just such a fan of the rat pack stuff.
It's ridiculous.
That's another thing I could just read about all day.
But now that Kelly's here, Kelly always wraps these things up for us.
You're mark my mark and stick around.
But we're in hour four.
So it's probably getting to a point where all this things are like, dude, got a life to lead.
Highlights are the festival for you, Kelly.
Oh, my goodness.
Well, first of all, the metropolis on opening night was absolutely mesmerizing.
And again, kudos to video fest for selling so many tickets that you had to email us and go, guys, I can't let you into the prestige because we need them for the paying customers.
Right.
Which I was so excited.
Not that I didn't get to go, but so excited to read that you had that many people there.
We did.
And the only empty seat in the whole place gets where it was.
Right in the front.
Right in front of me.
It was like, I gave you a better view.
Yeah, definitely.
So, so metropolis with a new life score and dance element.
Yeah, some of the pictures I saw were amazing.
I brought the screen to the stage.
It was just, it was stunning, stunning.
Then I would say the dawn of technic color and 3D rarities, both of those programs.
Because 3D, they started trying to create 3D on 35 millimeter in 1915,
and also the year that started, a technic color started in 1915.
And to think about that is like, wow, that's 100 years.
That's really amazing.
And those guys were awesome.
We had them on the show.
They were awesome.
I'm so glad.
Both of those guys.
Yeah, they, yeah.
And I'm really proud because I got to bring them into town.
I was a part of the process that brought them into town.
Dawn of technic color had done the TCM Classic Film Festival.
But you are a huge fan of and have attended on multiple occasions.
Yes, all six.
So, we'll be going back next year.
And so, those of course were just amazing.
I'm so glad that we brought an element of film history into this.
And, you know, and then the Ernie Kobach's award is always the top highlight of the festival.
Seriously.
That's the one thing that we all look forward to getting to the meeting round.
It's just to find out who it's going to be.
Yeah.
I know who it's going to be.
And what clips are going to find?
I mean, of course, all the stuff I've never seen.
But I'm familiar with.
And that's what supports our and wonderful thing about it is I'm so familiar with a lot of it.
But I'm like, am I reincarnated?
Did I watch this in another life?
No, I don't think so.
But, you know, somehow, it's in the social consciousness of my self.
Yeah.
And so, you know, in the fact that we focus on classic TV like that and no other festival focuses on, has a focus on television as a medium, art form medium.
And I just think that's extremely special.
And we talked about this earlier and we can't say enough how everything is such a well-oiled machine, the volunteer.
How many volunteers work this year?
A ton.
I mean, there's a ton of red shirts around here.
But even if it's the whole don't look at the man behind the curtain.
If you are just a casual observer walking through the Angelica, everything looks like it's just firing on all cylinders.
That doesn't happen without all the volunteers, all the people that set these things up.
It's just such a well-done festival and you don't see anybody frowning, everybody's happy, and everybody's enjoying what's going on.
And we can't tell you how many people that have sat here with us that have come from out of state that have been like, I've gone to so many festivals where you're just a number on a screen.
But when I come to Dallas, people are so wonderful and warm and welcoming and hospitable.
I'll take that all day long.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, this is a very small staff.
We are very, very small doing a lot of different jobs.
But there's such passion there and that really comes from top down from bars.
I can't say enough good things about that guy.
He's been amazing.
He came and sat with us for what, 20, 30 minutes on Friday night?
You ever take, yeah.
And he's one of the most natural people to talk to.
He's one of those people, there's not a comfort level you have to reach.
The minute he sits in the chair, you feel like you've known him your whole life.
And that ease, especially when he's doing the Q&As and the things like that, make those things go so much better.
And it just keeps getting more and more and more fun every year.
A wise man once told me, if you do what you love, you never work a day in your life.
Oh, absolutely.
And that's the feeling you get.
And the Angelica itself is so great.
We joke about the fact that we should probably own stock in this company as much as we're here.
No, I know.
But you know what?
It's number one's by our choice.
Right.
Because number two is such a great facility.
There are so many great theaters just in the Dallas Fort Worth area alone.
It keeps growing and growing and growing.
And the fact that the Angelica is just so welcoming to films of all styles.
You know, when you hear a name like the Angelica Film Center, you think, oh, they just do a bunch of independent movies.
And they really don't.
It's a great mix of mainstream, independent, foreign, local, national, international.
And they have it all.
They do, they do the cool weekend late shows, we're also classic films like that.
And there's, I just can't say enough good things about the festival in general.
I remember thinking back two years where we were in that little media lounge.
Oh, God.
That's now a Mexican restaurant, I think.
Yes.
And we walked in there and we're like, what did we get ourselves into?
We're watching a video screen with goats walking.
Yeah.
And we just walked in like, what are we going to do?
We got this thing we couldn't do.
And, you know, Kelly was the first person we saw.
Thank God.
And it was just like, okay, what do you guys need?
Okay, here's what we're going to do, boom, boom, boom.
And it's become, it was just so, by the time we went off air, I was like, all of the stress that I had was for nothing.
Because you guys make it so easy for us.
And I can't say enough good things about what you do for us, what the festival does for us as a combating,
is error for getting for a couple of slubs with a podcast.
You know, it's just, it blows my mind every time I think about it.
Well, I really appreciate you guys talking to all the filmmakers who come into town.
I mean, that is the biggest part for me is I want to make sure that they fill the love from Dallas.
Absolutely.
And it's, you know, until I appreciate that from you guys.
And the guy sitting over your left shoulder as well, Don, who, without him, I've got to run around.
And nobody wants to see that.
Making sure that he coordinates with you and you guys work so well together to make sure we get the guests that we do.
This, this calendar you're alone.
Think about it, sir.
Think about this year.
I don't want to.
It's insane of the people that we've been able to talk to that not have not only have sat down to talk to us,
but have been as accommodating as they have been.
Yeah, kidding.
Been as much fun as they have been because it just, I kept, I remind myself that we're just a couple of slubs with a podcast.
And these, these people who are of major note, they're going to sit down and talk to us.
Are you kidding me?
It's, it's just, it's been an absolute joy.
And we cannot thank you enough.
And we are going to go let you guys relax for a while because most of the shows are in, except for the light shows.
You know, a little bit of breathing time.
And then the big wrap up will be next Wednesday for expanded cinema.
No, tonight it's the last night here in Angelica.
Then we have expanded cinema on Sunday.
Oh, it's, it's the 28th.
It's the 28th. It's the 25th. It's one week from today.
Right, right. And so again, that is on the Omni Hotel, downtown.
So you don't have to go to the Omni Hotel.
If you go there, you'll miss it.
Yeah, you need to be across the freeway.
And tell everybody where that's going to be.
Yes, it is in the shadow of the reunion tower.
So basically where reunion arena used to be, that's where we're going to have our party, our watch party.
And it's summer cast on 91.7 KXT.
And it's, if you haven't seen it, it's, it's amazing.
And the cool thing is, is that you can see people stopping on highway to watch.
Which may or may not be a good thing.
Well, as long as they pull over.
Sometimes they have to because they just crash into the car in front of them.
And we described it earlier in the show, but it's one of those things that you can describe it all day long,
but until you see it, there's no description of it that really, truly does it justice.
You have to see this.
And you have to see it from a distance.
Absolutely.
Because the resolution is like 20 pixels by 1000 pixels, meaning that there are 20 floors.
And forgive me, it may be 25 and it may be 90.
It's really big.
Anyway, it's really big, but it is, it's the number going up and down.
What is that vertical?
Vertically.
It's late.
To the long weekend.
But it is really small.
And so the artists are challenged.
And how can they make their art or their video show up and be legible?
And so actually the further away you are from it, it comes across even better.
And it's cool.
It's cool.
Like, again, you can't describe it.
You actually have to see how this works.
It's like they turn the omnihotel into one big movie screen.
Yes.
And I mean, again, 20 floors up.
Yes.
And that's just how high it is.
Yes.
And it's really, really neat.
And you have local filmmakers that contribute stuff.
And like you said, you have the simulcast with the music on the radio.
It is something that really needs to be experienced truly.
Right.
And we would be doing you a disservice, my friend, if we did not make sure that you get to do your shameless plugs as well.
Oh, okay.
Thank you.
I am Kelly Kitchen's PR.com.
And you can find me on Facebook at facebook.com slash Kelly Kitchen's.
All one word.
I don't really do Twitter very much anymore.
But I'm Kelly Jake Kitt on Twitter.
Instagram?
I'm on Instagram, but I never remember my thing.
See, they're Kelly Kitt or Kelly Kitt PR.
I do know.
My Instagram happens in clumps.
It really does.
But, done?
Uh, Kelly, I got to thank you again.
Oh, thank you, Dawn.
It's been another good year.
Absolutely.
You know, she's been helping me get the thing lined up without her.
I was going, huh?
Well, that's so hot.
Again, thanks again, Kelly.
And I'm going to say this.
I do this every year.
Can we come back next year?
Absolutely.
We have that on audio.
And thank you for joining us, sir.
Absolutely.
It was an honor to...
And I thought about that, Tim.
Like, we haven't had this guy on the show.
What's going on?
Dawn must have been reading my mind.
That's great.
And I loved it.
All right, anything else before we do the plugs?
I need a drink.
I've gone through a liter and a half of smart water in the last three.
I don't mean that kind of drink.
I know what you mean.
All right.
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Oh, okay, fair enough.
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Next week, seven Eastern Four Pacific is our WWE Hell in a Cell pre-show.
So until next time, for Kelly, for all of our guests, for Chad, for Dawn, for the Empire.
I'm Rob. Clubhouse is closed.
We need a Brittany Palmer documentary people.
Make it happen.
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Gotta go, gotta go!
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