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And a man that knows a couple of things, about a couple of things when it comes to this
episode.
We're going to talk about, you may know it's fine, don't go, but it's my mom and even
Don Ford.
I'm going to call him Don Ford.
Welcome, sir.
I've been to a rodeo before.
That's a vibe.
That's a chat.
I thought about a career being a clown, but I just, what do you mean, thought about it?
I thought you were in the midst of one.
Rounding out the days today is the Lady of the House, and someone is going to try to bring
semblance to this chaos.
General Miss here, hello friend.
Hello, everyone.
Whatever we do, one of these things, it is to review something.
This is no exception.
Director Chloe Zhao, or Zhao, I'm not exactly sure how to say it, I hope I got one of those
right, directs the writer.
Sorry, it's the whole thing.
Yes, sir.
We got to thank Eric and her best friends, and live in the grid of marketing.
Thank you guys so much for letting us see this.
We kind of had to do this in two different sessions, because as you can probably hear, my
voice is not quite up to par.
I have been fighting whatever this crud has been going around.
I think it's my allergies, but Lord only knows, so they were kind enough to send me a link
to watch this so that I could review it as well.
And they did send you best wishes for a quick healing.
We're getting there, man.
We are getting there.
It's got to happen soon, because I got too much going on coming up to do otherwise.
So let's talk about this movie.
Brady Gendro, Tim Gendro, Lily Gendro.
They all have the same best name.
Very interesting.
Here's the deal.
The film that Chloe directed before this one was called Songs My Brother Totteney.
I want to make sure I got that right.
And while she was filming this, she met Brady, and Brady was a horse trainer.
And she was very, very fascinated by him.
He's part of what's called a Lakota Cowboys.
And they're a different breed of cowboy, because they have traditions that are rooted
both in white American and Native American traditions, which is very, very rare.
Some see it as a dichotomy of terms that they see it as their culture.
So she had to think to herself as things were going on.
She said, you know what?
I want to cast this guy in a movie coming up.
Well after she finished filming Songs My Brother Totteney, he was in an accident riding
and was severely injured.
And so what she chose to do is to take his story and fictionalize it just a little bit
and turn it into her next film, hence the writer.
His dad plays, of course, a fictionalized version of his dad.
I'm not sure his dad would be that honest with the character if that was what he was like.
His sister, Lily, is again his sister who has Asperger syndrome.
And in the press notes I was reading, Zah was saying how, how amazed she was, how open
she was to just portray herself and be that open, which I thought was great.
The guys that play his friends in the film, they are his real life friends.
His best friend who was injured in a Lane Scott is in it as well.
So this is one of those films that really blurs the line between narrative and documentary.
I had to do my research before I saw this because as I was watching it, something seems
different to me.
So as I was watching it, and since I wasn't in a theater, I could pull up my phone.
And I looked and I was like, man, this looks interesting.
So I started digging into the press materials and I was like, wow, none of these people
are actors.
So when they're all sitting around the campfire talking, they're all sitting around the
campfire talking.
And the song that's played by one of his friends is actually an original song that he wrote
and performed in the film.
So once I was able to understand that dynamic and it settled in for me, this runs about
an hour 40.
I was fascinated by this film, truly, truly fascinated by this film.
Because I think if she had gone out and gotten trained actors to play these roles, I don't
know that the film has the power that it does.
No, it would not have carried the same message.
It would have been a little too glossy, but these guys just being real and doing the
deal, even though they were, again, fictionalized versions of themselves, they were still themselves.
And I thought that was amazing and it was awesome.
It made it realistic versus someone trying to portray something they've never lived.
I don't think could have carried the weight that was needed for the characters.
And in the film, Brady plays Brady Blackburn, they changed the last name.
He has to figure out because he's gone through this, he's fallen off the horse, he has
a metal plate in his head, he's trying to figure out, okay, the path that I was on that
I thought I would be on as a career, at least put on hold.
Whereas his best friend may never come back from the injury that he has.
So he has that to reference because he goes and sees him all the time at his rehab facility.
But he is still at the same time coming to grips with, is there a life after the rodeo?
To find out as the film goes on, he doesn't have an education.
The rodeo is all that he knows.
You get up and you rub some dirt on it and you go, that's what they're taught.
But he also has to realize that the doctors are telling him, look, this dog don't hunt.
You've got to start figuring out what you're going to do because this is not, and he really,
really wrestles with that and I really thought that shine through as well, Don, you're being
awful quiet over there.
You guys, because I'm letting you guys go.
No, please.
I mean, I need you to add to the conversation.
I'm trying to be, yeah, I'm trying to be, because you know, I appreciate that, but I know
you've seen this as well.
I know you have opinions.
I don't want to have to backtrack.
I want to be able to go to sing together.
Yeah, I understand, because I was letting you guys see your piece on this.
I went to the film not knowing anything about it, which I love to do.
And then finding the after story where this is the real people in the real actors and real
friends, it kind of impressed me.
Watching the film, you know, I joke about the Montana and Wyoming and stuff, but I spent
what you're allowed to do.
You live there.
25 years of my life in that area.
This film really, really, truly showed that area of what we call the Midwest or cowboy
country and actually Kansas, moral heartland, they call this the Midwest cowboy country back
home.
They use it and the quotas and Wyoming and Montana, but they, the land, the scenery,
the nature, that's why I grew up in.
There's actually a scene at an auction, which is actually in shared Wyoming where I was
born.
That's where I've been in that town so much it's not even funny.
So I know that life, I grew up with a lot of cowboys.
I've been to many rodeos.
I do at least two rodeos a year for sure.
When in July, mid-July, every year I'm there, it is the big deal.
It's a difference.
I mean, there's so many different rodeos circuits because he where we live, the Mesquite
rodeo is one of the most famous rodeos in the world.
But rodeo in Texas is a little bit different than rodeo is out there in big sky country.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And going through that thing is life of a cowboy, they're on the road.
They go from Texas, then they'll go to Wyoming, then they'll go to the Dakotas, then they'll
go to Oklahoma, and they're on the road all the time.
In Vegas.
In Vegas.
I mean, they go all over.
That's the traveling thing, but that's the job they understand.
They know it.
But what is there, which I put in my written view at www.cobaspodcast.com.
That's our website.
That's our website.
NFL, they have the players association.
They have retirement plans.
They have all that.
They have a union.
What do the rodeo cowboys have?
Not a.
Not a.
So what happens when you get hurt?
This film really shows, because it is true life.
These people are injured.
And I understand the story of him trying to get back and trying to get over the injury,
which I can damn, which I thought was great, but then a doctor, he started realize, this
is you're going to have to put some on the wall.
We appreciate the strive.
We appreciate the inertia to try to do this.
But then let's talk about it.
We should have.
It is.
Okay.
In inertia.
But regardless.
I'm just making sure that I'm framing your words properly, because I want to make sure
I understand what you're saying.
But the problem with this film, knowing it and living this, literally living this in
my childhood, this film was too slow.
This was 20 minutes easily could have been cut out.
20 key.
And that's what I hate about it.
It drank.
I love the message.
I love the realism.
I love the real life.
But watching this film, even knowing that this was a true story, drug issue, well, basically
off true event, she can say, but this is a real for a fictional movie.
This is almost one of the most real life films I've ever seen.
It drug.
I was just like, get this thing over with for me.
There was a couple of moments that were a little tense for me.
But I was drawn in and it held my attention the entire time.
Yeah.
For me, it was exact.
20 minutes could have been cut out in my opinion easily.
And I enjoyed the movie, but I was obviously at a movie.
I mean, I was aware of everyone around me.
It had moments that were slow and I understand it.
I mean, the scenery was gorgeous.
I mean, the cinematography on this just outstanding.
And yeah, you need a moment to appreciate that, but it did drag for me.
But I think that's also part of the life.
It's a slower-paced life.
It's a, it's not hurry, hurry, hurry like we live here in some of the bigger cities.
It's, so it needed to kind of be that way, some, but I obviously was at a movie versus
something that just pulls me in where I don't even remember, I've got people near me.
I just, I just really enjoy this film and I love it for what it is.
And I love it.
It knows exactly what it has to be and it stays in that lane.
It doesn't try to be the big budget, you know, over-dramatic film.
It's exactly what it's supposed to be.
It's shown the actual video of him getting injured in real life than his part of the film.
And his best friend too.
Well, not his best friend's injury, but they did show one of the YouTube videos.
But because again, all of these people are, this is what they do.
Yeah.
And I thought that brought a whole different level to it, didn't go well.
I just thought it could have been done better and not so drug-out-emong.
There's, I just thought too much of a, underwashed slow-pong.
Chad?
It's interesting that, because I didn't get a chance to screen this yet,
but it's interesting that a movie like this comes out in the aftermath of the 1517 to Paris.
The Clint Eastwood-directed heroism film about a, a, a terrorist attack on a train.
Right.
The featuring the people that were the heroes in that situation.
And how horribly that film just got, shallacked.
Well, I think the difference here with that's going to be that was a big budget release,
a big studio release.
This is smaller, independent.
It's been working the festival circuits.
It's picked up like 11 awards in the last 12 months.
But they're in there on the festival circuit.
Yeah.
Therein lies the, the, I don't know if you would call it the conundrum or whatever, but
that this film seems to work using a very similar formula that Eastwood used on 1517 to Paris
and it obviously didn't work as, whereas this one seemed to work a little bit better.
You're subject matter there.
You're looking at something that happened historically versus just a portion of what life is like
in a part of America that most of the world will never get a glance at unless they see
this movie.
But my, my main focus is that you're talking about a film that centers around people playing
basically themselves in a, in a retelling of what really happened and something that they
actually experienced.
Oh, and maybe in something like the 1517 to Paris that maybe they should have scaled
it back a little bit.
Much like closeout does here where it, you know, it can fly under the radar.
And it's one of those films that I think as time goes on, it's going to gain some steam
and more and more because people should see this film.
I think it's a, I'm not going to use word amazing, but it's a really, really good film that
it gets a little, a little almost too real in a couple of spots, but it addresses its issues
head on.
There's no sugar coating in this film at all and to see this kid, because he is, he's
a kid when you look at him, you know, he's, he can't be more than 20, 22 years old and
his entire life has been turned upside down.
And when you see, there's a, there's a couple of scenes where he's interacting, where
Brady's interacting with Lane in his rehab facility.
And he's just looking at him like, like, there's still brothers and they still talk all
the time, but I know that there's a, there's a part of me that knows that if I continue
down this path, this is potential for me.
My question is, the injury was real.
Him not being able to go back.
Is that just part of the film or is that real life?
That's my question.
To my knowledge, they're depicting what's been going on with him, just just a little bit
of exaggeration.
Yeah.
And what I read was different about his accident than what you read.
Okay.
So I don't know which, I read that it was a car wreck that he was actually.
Oh, was it?
Okay.
I had read that it was a riding accident.
Okay.
So I don't know.
I mean, we could have had differing articles.
But what I saw was that it was a car wreck and so he's still training courses.
I mean, he got dual credit in this film because he actually was not on the level that he
was before.
Possibly.
Yeah.
I didn't, I didn't see that in the research I did, but, you know, I don't know how true
to life it is, but he apparently can get back on a horse at least for a limited time
because he was doing so in the movie.
But I mean, right.
Well, I think that even with his character in the film, but he could, but he couldn't
go riding in the rodeo like he was.
Right.
And I think that's the thing he has to address regardless of what happens.
Anything else you want to talk about before we put some spurs on it?
Okay.
That's his job.
Yeah.
Okay.
You're called dead jokes.
And I've been a whole lot on the L word for a long time.
Wonder Woman L word.
The lassooo.
You made me.
You asked for that one.
Do you know what?
In full disclosure, I've heard other people refer to it in the same way.
That means somebody's listening and they liked on two people.
Don't.
Don't.
Kill me.
Don't encourage him.
Let's just get to the final analysis and play it to any worse.
We're going to ask up to two question.
Question number one is what we see this film again.
If the answer is no, then we're done here.
But if the answer is yes, the follow up question is how far are we willing to go to see it?
From the best of the best of the worst of the best, here's the spectrum.
Full price at the theater, down to a twilight showing, down to a matinee, down to early morning
on the weekend, down to actually leaving your house and getting it for red box, down to
streaming it on Netflix, down to waiting for it on cable.
Don, let's actually start with you.
Okay.
Would you see the writer again?
Actually after writing everything, I would see it and I'm going to put it as a red box
rental.
The first one to bring up is I did like how it showed how they're in big arenas in
the rodeos.
Then it shows them at a small weekend.
Absolutely.
And that is real.
Oh, no, you're right.
I've been to those as well.
Yeah.
So I'd still give it a red box rental.
I still liked it.
But it's just too long.
I'm general.
Would you see this again?
I think people should go see it probably at an earlier in the day showing so they can
do something lighthearted after so that it's not so heavy right before bed.
Okay.
That's fair.
I would see this again.
I'm going to go Matt Nay, especially if you want to get out while it's still light out.
I agree with you on that.
But it is an excellent film.
It's directed by Chloe Zhao and it's called The Writer.
Provisual thing.
Yes, sir.
We're going to pick Eric and Airbnb at Allied Integrated Marketing.
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