iTunes Exclusive Episode Detroit

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Welcome.
My name is Rob, I am the executive producer of the Clubhouse Podcast and growing up a
Chicago Bulls fan, not a fan of the Pistons, so there's that.
But I'm not alone for this particular episode, joining me across the desk as he does
from time to time is the official fact checker of this show and a man who early doesn't
consider the teams in that time much of a rival because the Lions are terrible.
You may know him as fond, don't go, but his mom named him Don Ford, I'm going to call
him Don Ford, welcome sir.
Plus they're in a different conference, so they only play once every four years in a regular
season.
You got that going for you.
Yeah, you know, we'll take it.
Whatever we do one of these, it is to review something.
This particular episode is no exception.
Katherine Bigelow, you know Zero Dark Thirty, you know the Hurt Locker, she's back with
a brand new film based on actual events again.
It is called Detroit.
But we start this whole thing.
Yes, sir.
We got thank Caitlin and everybody.
It's Slifox.
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Thank you so much for having us out so we could check this out and we could review it
for the Empire.
Great people.
And based on actual events during the Detroit riots in 1967 at the Algiers Hotel, this
is kind of piece together because some of the facts had to be done from kind of conjecture,
some from interviews, some from documentation about a group of young people of color that
were terrorized by some allegedly, by some cops that were not exactly on the up and
up allegedly again.
Let's go down the cast for you.
John Boyega, who you know from The Force Awakens, he's in this, Will Polter, Algiers Smith,
who you might remember from the new edition story, Jacob Lattimore, Jason Mitchell, Hannah
Murray, Jack Rayner, Kaitlyn Devar, Beno Toul, John Krasinski, Anthony Mackie.
This thing is chock full of stars.
It runs about two hours and 25 minutes.
So be prepared for that going in.
This is one of those films.
If you know anything about Catherine Bigelow and someone she likes to work with in Mark
Bull who writes the scripts.
This is kind of in the same vein as some of her other films where the story is kind of
for lack of a better term scatter shot.
There's a lot going on and it does kind of tie together as the film goes on, but it takes
a while.
Well, I would kind of, yeah, on some of her stuff, yes, but when I know her for the basically
point break, Hurt Locker, and 030, when I look at those, 030 was just the story of
Assama Billon and was kind of that straight shoot story, a little bit of a buildup, but
it was about getting him.
Fair enough.
Hurt Locker was just the story of a guy who works as a guy who unarms IADs and stuff like
that.
But there's ancillary things in both of those two, but not like this one.
This is a little more so I would agree.
This is a little more so a lot more different than some of her worked in her style from
the past.
And don't you like Hurt Locker?
I love it.
I thought I need to serve best picture in one best picture, but when I look at this in
this style, it didn't seem like big a low like I know her from the past.
It felt a little different.
It didn't have that big a low signature.
And if you watch Mel Brooks, she know Bell Brooks, she can know that's the Mel Brooks
by watching.
You can watch Spielberg.
This one, watching from her past work, it didn't seem like that big a low feel in my
opinion.
That's fair.
Yeah.
I'm going to say this up front.
I felt this film was way too long.
Oh yeah.
Two hours and 23 minutes.
It was way too long.
I really felt like the first 20 minutes of this film could have been cut.
Even tell the story about the Detroit ride and stuff.
I think you could have told that a lot quicker.
Oh yeah, I'll give you that.
Because I did like the build up and stuff like that.
I was ready for us to get to the Algiers and get to the meat and potatoes of this story.
And I felt like it took us too long to get there.
If it were me, I would have even done it told the story differently because it doesn't
know does it want to be a historical film?
Does it want to be a courtroom drama?
Does it want to me?
It didn't really ever figure out what it actually wanted to be.
But I think I would have told it a little bit differently.
Maybe during the court case, seeing it through the eyes of the different people as it went
along.
So you got different pieces of the story as they came together.
Could it be more like what we saw in Bomb City?
A little bit.
Not it is not to that extent.
Because Bomb City really did have a lot of story to tell to get to where you were.
Detroit could have told it's gotten to its actual story faster.
And I think we could have gotten more of the fallout from it from the actual event in
that same amount of time.
Taking that first 20 minutes where there was a lot of setup that I thought was unnecessary
here.
Now let's talk about Bigelow in time.
Hurt Locker 2-11.
Right.
Okay.
So you were Dr. 32 hours, 37 minutes.
Okay.
So she's known for having those long movies.
But those were paste better, I felt.
Yeah, that's the thing.
I think with the Hurt Locker, it was two hours and 11 minutes, but it did not drag.
This thing, drag.
It did.
I like you.
I like your point about the 20 minutes up front.
I did like the stuff about the riots.
I did like the stuff about, you know, what was the build up to this?
Because I did a little Wikipedia after the fact after seeing this thing.
Okay.
And it really told the story of how the riots started.
And I think that was an important thing at the scene with the bar and the veterans coming
back.
But I think they put too much of the build up for the people that are at the Algiers in
the beginning, learning their story and everything like that.
That's where I think they had too much time spent on that.
Now me, I didn't really know what this film was about.
I thought it was going to be about the Detroit riots.
I didn't know it was about the Algiers thing, specifically from the trailer when it came
down to it.
I did not know they're going to spend that much time on the Algiers.
Well, that's to me.
It's the story.
Yeah.
I was not know that.
You see, I got that from the trailer.
That's what I was waiting for us to get to.
But that thing of what allegedly happened at the Algiers in the film is way too long.
That part of the film, that was probably at the house.
At the house.
Okay.
That was what, at least 40, 45 minutes up to an hour on the film, but that's what I was
expecting.
So I thought it was too much time on that.
And here's my kind of thing, my worry about some of this stuff that, you know, they gave
it a little disclaimer at the end.
But the way people are going to see this thing and watch this film, and some are going
to think, oh, this is what really happened there.
No one, there's only a few people in this earth who know what really happened there that
night.
And they said that.
Yeah.
At the end, they said, you know, some of this we had to over dramatize due to the fact
that you haven't over dramatized that stuff.
I don't know.
It was over dramatized.
Yeah.
I think that they just kind of had to piece together what they had based on what they
saw.
And the leaps of faith that were taken, especially in one specific scene, there was,
it wasn't like I saw that scene and went that I don't know if that happened that way.
What I saw was based on the events leading up to that moment.
It made sense that it would have happened that way.
It could happen that way.
Yes.
Absolutely.
You didn't like, you know, this wasn't a mind thing in a space.
But I thought beautifully shot.
Oh, yes.
Very well acted by everybody involved.
No real complaints.
For me, it was the complaint of the pacing and the length really more than anything.
I'd said the same thing in my written review at www.theclabasclawcast.com.
That is our website.
But the other thing is, this is weird for this to be an August release.
Why do you say that?
Because I would see a film like this more as an October release as we're getting into
a award season.
Do you think this is really award though?
It could be.
Given Bigelow's track record, I wouldn't be surprised if there's not at least a couple
of nominations.
If, if nothing else, stuff like sound editing, possibly could, I mean, some of the technical
awards.
But again, this is one of those films that you watch and you go, I can see, and I wouldn't
call it Oscar bait.
But what I would call it is the kind of film that you, you could see in a, in awards
discussion.
But again, we've said this before.
This has been a very, very strong year for film, very, very strong.
The feel this year is incredibly competitive.
So this is one of those films that I wouldn't be surprised in the conversation, but it also
wouldn't be surprised if it got overpowered by some other films that came out this year.
But yeah, by the release, but even if let's say they did this in November, would it get
a ton?
I don't think so.
But if I wasn't a Academy member, and I did the action, which were always welcome to
be if they want to, I'm more than happy to help, um, Polter, uh, will, the guy who plays
the, uh, will polter, polter, polter, I look at why I kept thinking was the kid that played
the Joker on Gotham, but that's not him.
No.
He's the guy in, we're the millers who plays the, he's the son in well, and that's why
I put in a rainbow yesterday, I put my review is that you look at some of his past work
where he's the poor, innocent kid in where the millers, um, the guy without a backbone
in the revenant, now this is a role that's totally opposite where he plays what I put in
my review in extreme racist, Barney five style, that's fair, you know, and he really
think about, give me gun and again, because he had no self control, um, and what he did
in that film, he plays someone who just about anybody in their dog is going to hate.
And that was acting.
I got done watching, I go, he made that role, because everybody in that theater hated
him, unless you're extreme bigot or something like that.
So I mean, on the, yeah, he makes, I even said as we were discussing the film that I kind
of feel bad for this guy, because he played that role so well, I feel like somebody's
going to meet him in public and be like, er, it's like, no, no, it's just acting, which
is the part.
He's that convincing.
Like, yeah, I hated the guy by the end of the film.
Like, like Gwen Morshaw talked about, you know, you know, after we're the millers,
hi, how you doing?
Oh, you're such a great guy.
And now this thing.
Oh, I remember his actors act, they act, they act, they act.
Absolutely.
So please, we don't want no CNN headline, yeah, but too long, that would be my whole,
it was just too long.
I love the sets.
It was historically correct.
You look at, I looked at pictures of the Algiers and the way they did this film, because
where the Algiers is, it's gone.
Right.
It's gone.
Right.
It's a flat land and, you know, the whole building and everything's gone.
But, um, so the sets I love, historically correct the cars, everything, I love the footage
of real life footage put in with the film footage.
Also deals with the, the, uh, singing group, the dramatics, yeah, which the week of release,
if you're hearing this, this week's unsung on TV one is about the dramatics.
Oh, really?
So there's a tie in there as well that you might get another side of that story that
maybe you didn't get before.
So I'm going to, that's airing the day that we record this.
So I'm very much looking forward to seeing that and seeing how that ties in, having seen
the film already.
Anything else?
No, I think we're good.
All right.
Let's get to the final analysis.
The way we do the final analysis on the show, we're not going to give you thumbs up,
thumbs down, we're not going to give you a letter of grades, numbers, car keys, anything
like that.
What we're going to do is we're going to ask two questions.
Question number one is, would you see this film again?
If the answers know them were done here.
If the answer is yes, then we're going to go to the second question is how far are you
willing to go?
From the best of the best of the worst of the best, here's the spectrum.
Full price at the theater, twilight, matinee, early morning on a weekend, second run at
the dollar theater, actually leaving your house to go get it from red box.
Streaming at an Netflix or just waiting for it on cable.
Don, would you see this again?
Oh yeah, I'll see.
It's how far you willing to go.
Because it was too long in a drag and too much in certain scenes.
But Polter really kicked it up, so I'm going to give it a red box.
I'm going to go once that below you and say Netflix.
I would see it again, but I don't know that I would go out of my way to see it.
I would say if it's you're walking out of the 711 or the Walmart, and you know, and you
see it at the red box there, grab it.
That's how I'd recommend it.
That's fair.
Yeah, it's your opinion.
I would just be like, you know, maybe I just go home and watch it on Netflix or see if
it's on demand.
Yeah.
Something like that.
Still, it was good.
Some good acting though.
It is.
Catherine Bigelow's latest opus called Detroit.
You get for the interesting.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm Caitlin in your bed.
Slifox.
Zining.
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Zining.
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Empire about them and help them make the best decisions they can for their entertainment
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