The Clubhouse Podcast

Special Edition WWE TLC 2017

October 22, 2017 Season 8, Episode 16

The Clubhouse Podcast covers WWE TLC 2017 with hosts Rob, Jen, Don, and Alex discussing last-minute card changes due to mumps outbreak in the locker room, booking decisions, and predictions for matches including Shield versus Miz/Sheamus/Cesaro/Braun/Kane, Finn Balor versus AJ Styles, and Asuka's debut against Emma.

About this episode

Key takeaways

  • WWE had to make significant last-minute changes to the TLC card due to mumps affecting multiple wrestlers
  • The Shield will run through at least the end of the year, with rumors of a potential Survivor Series match against brothers of destruction
  • Neville has officially departed WWE; debate continues over whether Nia Jax is taking time off or has left the company
  • The TLC 2017 event has fewer stipulation matches than previous years, with only one TLC match scheduled

Q&A

Why were there so many last-minute changes to the TLC card?

The mumps outbreak spread through the locker room, and people were also dealing with injuries from the South American tour. Kevin Owens had to leave early for family issues.

Who is replacing Roman Reigns in the Shield match?

Kurt Angle is wrestling in place of Roman Reigns against the Miz, Sheamus, Cesaro, Braun Strowman, and Kane.

What is the status of Neville?

Neville has officially departed WWE. He was unhappy even as cruiserweight champion and was allegedly consulting with Cody Rhodes about exit strategy.

How many stipulation matches are on TLC 2017?

There is only one TLC match on the card, which the hosts felt was low for a pay-per-view named after multiple match types.

Read Transcript

It is 7-0-1 on the east coast, it is 4-0-1 on the west coast, it is the 22nd of October in the year of our Lord 2017. It is also time for season 8 episode 16 and sequentially 419 times this voice has welcomed you to the clubhouse podcast live every Sunday night, 7-Eastern 4 Pacific, your one-stop shop for all things pop culture. And it's pay-per-view day again.

So we're going to be wrestling intensive tonight, so if that's your bag, welcome. And if it's not, no, just hang on anyway, you might learn something. My name is Rob, I am the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast, and I don't know that I've ever seen booking on the fly more than we're going to talk about here in just a few minutes.

But I'm not alone in the studio, chat still out on assignment. So sitting in the co-host chair is the lady of the house, and the person with the most recent wrestling shirt in the room, very surprising when I open the door to the studio. General is here, welcome friend.

Hello, everyone. Get close to that thing and speak into it, please. And I've got to do a shout out to Davey Jones, the artist of Charmy's Army.

He's been participating in Inktober, and he's been mashing up his characters with WWE. So do search for Davey Jones and Charmy's Army, because he did my favorite tag team, Cesaro and Seamus as his little aunt. Does he know Marshall Brady?

I was wrong, Davey Jones, never mind, never mind. But no, it's quality work. I thought the Sasha Banks was very, very well done.

Yes. So, now if I could get, and I'm just saying, if I could get one with old school sting, I'm just saying. But I was also thinking, your favorite, you're not going to have her calendar much longer, but yeah.

There's only one more. I know. I know.

Very upset about this. May have to make that happen. A calendar of Charmy, I mean, I mean, I may need therapy after next year, because no more Brittany Palmer calendars.

Yeah. Very upset about this. Also, back local again, and back on the show is the official fact-checker of this show.

And a man who owns a shirt that I don't. And I am a huge fan of the shirt he is wearing. You may know him is fun, don't go, but his mom and even don't.

I'm going to call him Don Ford. What's up, sir? I got my Becky shirt on.

The greatness of him. Yeah, I came back from Montgomery County. It was doing a little work.

Yeah. So it's done off counties have had their disaster relief process. And so your wife's happy you'll be home for longer than a day and a half.

I know she's, I don't know what it is. I thought she'd been here before, but I was sorely mistaken. Speaking of the calendar, I said, me and Brittany go way back.

I'm going to talk to her. Maybe she'll make just one for you. That would be amazing.

That would be the greatest day. I don't tell my wife, it's the greatest day ever. Well, after your wife, speaking of my wife, she is actually on her way back from San Antonio.

She spent the weekend with her parents. It is national mother-in-law's day. Oh, really?

So I made sure that she sent a shout out to my mother-in-law earlier today. And rounding out the day is at least for now is one of the newcomers to the program and a guy who's working the old school today with his CM punk t-shirt. I want to say that's, is that pro wrestling t-s Alex?

You can talk, it's on. Yeah, it is. Okay, apparently they are opening a, pro wrestling t-s are someone of its ilk is opening a brick and mortar store.

They did. It's in Chicago. In Chicago.

Okay, last week. Oh, okay. I thought I'd read something about that.

Road trip. Okay, so one quick correction from last week's episode. I did the research.

I could not find where Joe Jonas currently lives. Yeah, I tried to. No idea.

Somewhere in Sophie Turner. No, yeah. And apparently he knows something.

I did see a picture of the two of them in a people magazine. God bless those two kids. It's adorable when he wears heels.

He has good taste in joy. All right, so more updates and corrections. Results from Hell in a Cell.

Chad was, and he just forgot to send his picks again. Andrew was five and three, but he lost two points for missing the deadline. Yep.

So he is now three and five. LA was even at four and four. Steven, Doc, Alex, Jen, and Don all been five and three.

But there's somebody whose name has not been mentioned. Yours because you went one with six and two. So I gained a point on you.

Okay, but here are your current updates. Bringing up the, the caboose in this thing. Chad has 52 points.

So Doc's finally ahead now. So Doc has built ahead of him. But Chad's still got a 444 winning percentage.

Oh, for not having done a pay-per-view in three months. Yeah. Doc has 41.

So I think I screwed that up. I think it's the other way around. That's a 462 average.

Andrew has 55. That's a 470 win percentage. LA has 64.

He's supposed to be here. He's not here just yet. But he's out of 547 win percentage.

Steven has 65. He will not be with us tonight, but he did send me his picks. Doc also sent me his picks.

Doc might be here later. His lady friend is not feeling well. So Amy, get well soon.

Get well. Steven has 65. That's a 556 winning percentage.

I have 69. That's a 591 percentage. Don's still leading with 85.

Oh, that's a 726 win percentage. I don't have my, do I have my post a note in here? I don't have my post a note in here.

It should be in the living room somewhere. How do you grade helmet a cell now? It was a good pay-per-view.

It was entertaining. It was fun. The ending was weird.

I would maintain C plus maybe B minus Gen. I'm going to maintain. I think the cell could have held more than what it did and to start with it just kind of.

It's much less to start with that tag team match. That tag team match was amazing. Absolutely.

There is no way anything was following that. Yeah, they put that way too early in the card. But like you said, they had to put it that early to separate the two cells.

Yeah, you just had to have them apart or everybody would have been deflated. But I still need a grade. Oh, I'm trying to even remember what I gave it last time.

I'm going to stay with my last time. Let's say a C plus. All right, Alex, I also cannot remember what I graded it, but I want to give it a slight bump for the Uso's new day being even better than I expected.

There was a lull in the middle, but Sami Zayn getting something new. We have some interesting Uso's news coming up. Ooh, if you haven't seen this.

So stay with us. All right, let's talk about the week that was. Mausletov to the Miz and Marie.

They had their gender reveal party this week where they dressed as Prince Charming and Cinderella. I didn't see that. They are and they didn't know, of course, and they way they did the gender reveal if they cut into a cake.

And when they pulled the cake back, the cake inside was pink. So they are having a girl. Oh, Mausletov to their kids.

And the footage is out there. You can go check it out. Like to see Miz outside of being Miz.

And just being a husband and a man who's preparing to be a father. And if you're listening, Miz, I want to say something to you. I want to tell you about a quote that Martin Lawrence once said to David Letterman.

He said, Dave, you have a son. You worry about one boy. I have daughters.

I worry about every boy. So just remember that. But in the meta moment of the week, this was a star-studded gala.

Singers Ryan Cabrera and Avril Lavigne were there. It was a Halloween theme. They were the Miz and Marie's.

Oh, nice. And Ryan Cabrera's Instagram said something about this is what happens when you break into the Miz and Marie's house when they're not home and steal their wardrobe. So Mausletov to those kids.

All the best to you. For those of you that don't know, there's a problem right now with the card tonight. There's been a lot of changes in the last 36 hours, which is stemmed starting on raw Monday night and has gone rampant in the locker room.

The mumps have happened in the real one. Like, not not being figurative. There are people with the mumps.

Well, part of that has been because people were mislegged. And just for other things too, the South American tour has been a little rough on the company. Kevin Owens had to leave early deal with some family issues.

So standing in during the South American tour this week, have you read about this Don? No. Getting in the ring.

One triple H. Oh, real H is actually wrestling on this tour. So instead of tonight of, well, no, no, that's a whole different issue.

Oh, no, no, instead of tonight a prey in a fan, we got Tantinimo. No, no. Tantino versus triple H.

We're going to get there. We're going to get there. But H actually, given up, he wrestled Rusev, okay, who came out to a little bit of a different look at WWE as posted this on their Twitter.

It was actually a six man, okay, that he came out with the Usos wearing like a stocking cap and a very Usod out of God. It actually looks kind of cool. I'm not going to lie.

And once he beat Rusev, he danced and torqued H did with the new day in Chile. That is just uncomfortable to think of. So I want you to think about triple H twerking.

That is amazing. I tell me with you for the rest of the evening, you're welcome. Okay, on the recent update, I could tell Joe Jonas owns a house in Turekola, California.

Okay, I know at one point they lived out in Troop. This got you by stocker. Don's got his people on it.

Hey, so we got that going for you. By the way, I also found out tribute to the troops is going to tape on December the 5th in San Diego. And it's going to air December 14th.

That's a Thursday night on USA. You know, that's a night that if we have to Wednesday night, I'm sorry. Well, if we actually do a thing on point, it's a Thursday.

If we do a thing on points like pay per views, that's a thing where Doc will actually probably go a thousand. We're actually going to change the rules up a little bit next year. It's going to be a much bigger risk reward system.

That's what I'm saying. Don't worry, I got something in the West. It's going to be cool.

It's going to be calm. I'm still formulating the scale, but it's going to be pretty neat. Is Naya Jack still with the company last week?

We talked about Neville. Neville is indeed gone. He has gone it officially.

He he he out. Now there's debate. What I'm now Alexa Bliss is saying no, she's still with the company.

She's just taking time off. They're saying that there's been some personal issues, but I'm also hearing stories that she was a little upset that she wasn't in the Oscar match. But there's reasoning behind Emma being in the Oscar match because they had a really great match in NXT and they're hoping they can bring that out.

Well, here's the thing. I was driving home from Houston, Montgomery County. And as listen to the show, you guys did last week.

Which we appreciate as always. I was like, Emma, Emma, then you told me. I'm like, Oh, okay.

Because I had to look it up. I was like, what? I mean, great.

Yeah. This match is not going to take long. No.

No, but Emma can still make it look good while still getting squashed. Right. I can't do that.

No. As much as I love my idea. What I was reading was that Naya wasn't even scheduled on Monday night.

So it's you know, if she didn't do a walk out, she just wasn't officially. No, why didn't Neville go? Let's talk about it.

We got a minute. He's not happy. He wasn't happy.

Really? Yeah. And apparently even being the cruiserweight champion.

Where we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, they're apparently a number of wrestlers who are consulting with Cody Rhodes about his exit strategy. Because nobody did it better. But you guys figured, you know, he was a cruiserweight champ.

Why would you be unhappy being the champion of that division? They wanted him to legitimize Naya's win on Monday. It's yeah.

Sometimes people have to remember you. Even though you're the champs, sometimes the body keeps all. Also have to remember this is a work.

Yeah. Don't don't feel yourself. Don't go bird yourself.

Yep. You mean don't go bird. Goldberg got to a point where he was buying into his own hype.

Okay. Okay. By the way, I have not watched this episode of the Goldberg Jet.

Okay. But I've heard it's brilliant. And they're actually bringing him back for another episode on being told.

I think they actually have him signed up for a few more. So I like Bill. I always have, but there was a time.

And he'll tell you he bought into his own hype. Because people have to remember this is a work. This is all a work.

Creative Giveth and creative take it the way. That's all I'm saying. It's sometimes creative.

Don't know what to do. That's fair. So I'm told I'm reading this week that this shield run is supposed to go through at least the end of the year.

Not even through WrestleMania. At least. Yeah.

Yeah. But what I'm hearing about survivor series. The rumors that are abounding currently.

Somebody's coming back for revenge from WrestleMania. If Greg were here, he'd be in a puddle on the floor right now. Or Chad.

Yes. 22. The rumor is.

Shield versus the brothers of destruction at survivor series. Well, it'd be those three, but who would be that Daniel Bryan be? It doesn't matter.

It's the brothers of destruction. It would probably two on two. I'll see a little bit of it.

So the reasoning of it would be at 27 years after, remember, take your debut at Survivor Series in 1990. And allegedly from what I'm reading, the company wants that to be his retirement. So I don't know if I agree with it.

And maybe that's why they're adding cane to this match. You know what I'm saying with the Roman. And this cane thing is a real short term thing.

This is not a long term program. So survivor series only being four weeks away. Yeah.

You know, you could run that program. It's okay. Can I bring you think about it?

Cain did, you know, Roman his brother. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So you got that going for you.

Let's let's talk about raw for a minute. What about 205 live just gets past me? 205 live does nothing for me.

And I really thought it would because I like the cruiser weights. I like the style. I like the speed.

I like the tech, the technician part of it. What you're missing is the story. So, so there is no.

They're they're turning people here, but no real reasoning behind it. So what? You're one of the 10 people that watches that.

So I don't know what they show it on. I'm not just to set the show on raw. Yeah.

Because they basically re-show 205 live during raw. Anyway, it's kind of like the women's division. It's kind of there.

But see, at least the women's division has something there. Yeah. There are storylines there that I can follow.

205 live, I think they need to get rid of the show and just incorporate it into raw. Because you can't do a lot as we can see outside of unless you're at ROH, you can't do a lot in an hour. And boy, Don, if I got something for you talking about ROH here in just a minute.

Oh boy. A little bit of a spoiler. So I'm gonna let you know when the spoiler alert comes.

I want to talk about Enzo for a minute. And I learned something. Enzo taught me something this week.

Apparently, when you go heal, unless you're the rock, you lose all semblance of fashion sense. What in the name of all good and holy was that on Monday night? Did he ever have fashion sense?

There was at least a semblance of it. I would say they're letting him promo way too long. Like I said, he looks and dresses like a muppet on crack.

I don't know. Well, did you also realize he's still not being letting the locker room? He's still got heat.

Oh, absolutely. But they liked that there's heat because then you have the marks brought in. But apparently he's still banned from the locker room.

Really? In real life? I mean, he's just that.

I read that this week. Well, when you don't know how to be quiet or contribute, so on this alienate. On this lesson you learned, is that going to improve or not improve my favorite female?

Well, hold on before. Well, you know, you say, you know, people are listening. Somebody listen to this.

Yeah, I want to say this. Send this off to Enzo. Make sure he hears this.

I'm going to quote the date, the great David Lee Roth here today gone later a day. Yeah, here today gone today. Here today gone later.

I remember, like I said earlier, creative give it and creative. Take it away. So and talk to miss.

Have a long talk with the miss. Let's stay in that segment for a minute. Remember, I was talking about what's up with Enzo not having coins on the belt.

Calisto has them. Yeah. Calisto has them already.

And a memo to Calisto. When you're going to cut a promo, you're not going to remember, well, no, remember that you are the champ. So when you're cutting a promo on raw and you say, and at the end of TLC, I will be your new cruiserweight champion.

You already are champion. You're not going to be the new champion of the current champion. Maybe set language barrier.

I don't know. I think Calisto speaks English. And did anybody else notice we had the traditional ring apron on Monday night?

We did not have the video wall ring apron or ring posts. It was stuck in shipping. I think it had something to do with them doing the cage match.

Okay. That's what I figured. I had the tear out as well.

Right. Yeah. And I got to admit that that main event was pretty well booked.

For a cage match, which as we all know, the cage match has gotten very stale over the years. Especially with the advent of hell in a cell. That was a really well booked main event.

I give credit where credits do. I've still seen better, but I've seen a lot worse, especially recently. Well, it's starting to become the novelty.

I mean, when you hear cage match, you're thinking, oh, it's the cell. It's like, no, it's the little brother and you're thinking, okay, now I just wanted to bring back the blue cage just one time. Oh, please God.

Yes. Oh, God. I love the blue cage.

All right. So a couple of impact headlines, Terrence. So we have to.

Terrence Terrell has left the company already. She's gone. Apparently, she was taken out of the knockouts championship match at bound for glory, which by the way is in two weeks.

Who knew? And it's going to be in the Canadian. Well, okay.

So she comes back, but she quit originally when she quit wrestling. She said because she found God and all that great, great to her. No.

So now she comes back. She's in there. And now she's out again.

Yep. You are correct, sir. And who did she marry this time?

That was. Oh, I don't know. Okay.

Speaking of which, I don't know if you guys heard, but Kelly Kelly and her former Dallas stars person are on the outs from what I'm really interesting. My house not back on speed dial apparently. So speaking of impact in the Canadian, there is a Canadian pizza chain called crust and crate that are giving fans their opportunity to vote on the official impact pizza.

Let me tell you the choice never worked. Plus this really a thing. No, you have two choices, either the scissor kick or the pile driver.

And I'm so glad Don's not here. Doc's not here right now because there would be a lot of editing going on. Yeah.

So let me let me explain to you what both pizzas are because I have details for you because I do the digging. Okay. The scissor kick will have spicy jerk chicken.

And I've always said even vegetarian should not have a problem eating jerk chicken because they're jerks. Roasted corn, black beans, salsa, fresca, red onion, jalapeno peppers, and sriracha drizzle. That's one of them.

He eats themselves that much. Canadians. Very.

The other one, the pile driver has smoky pulled pork, pickled onions, red chilies, jalapeno peppers, smoked bacon, and barbecued drizzle. And the fans are going to vote on which one they're going. So do you want me to help me?

So I'm about to eat some poutine and just be happy. You want me to have you want me to take place of Doc and give all the smart. No, no, no, I really don't.

Okay, I'll stay away. Have the impact fans not suffered enough? Now if Doc shows up tonight, I will be telling him this story so he can giggle.

Now is it air? Can anybody here actually watched impact in the last three months or six months? I don't have pop TV to do.

I think I did by accident about turn 12. She's still psycho chick or whatever like last time where she had the ladies under her or we saw her in a movie recently. Well, I know that.

It was someone kidnapped. Yeah, but I'm talking about her tire car. Well, she's still the psycho baby.

I really don't know. I have no idea. Let's see NXT and San Antonio the night before war games.

They'll be doing a house show because you know, NXT war games will be in Houston. Your main event in that San Antonio house show, Adam Cole versus Drew McIntyre for the NXT title with HBK is your special guest referee. I'm picking Dan Cole.

Apparently he is on the road with NXT right now working with them. So you got that go with you're not going to change that title at a house show, dude. Well, it might actually give them something to work with as far as why there's the war in the game.

I mean, I'm good. I'm good with it either way. You never know.

Smackdown live this week's rating was a five month low. Imagine that. What a shocker.

And Don. Yeah, you're slacking, dude. What now?

Because there was a correction for Smackdown live this week. What was that? You remember when AJ came out and told Jinder he'd never beaten him?

Okay, I'll contraribone frayer. Well, here's a deal. I want to say this.

Styles did lose to Jinder on Smackdown live in May after a distraction by the Singh Brothers and then a title shot to the face from AJ Styles. I was in Montgomery County working. Okay.

I mean, I don't mind picking up the slack. I'm just just giving me this week. Come on, come on.

I got back to Smackdown live notes. Man, we're running a little bit behind schedule, but that's okay. In the women's tag match, got to work on the camera angles because Charlotte missed the knee and that kick by a mile and a half.

Yeah. That was bad. It's just like who missed the kick last week before that?

Rusev. Rusev. Yeah, both same show.

I mean, are they changed in cars again? Maybe because that dude was jacked. And Unico is not that jacked.

No. I'm just saying. Let's see.

Are those guys taking training from Frenchie or something? I don't know. Frenchie's actually on the mend.

Okay. He's back in the gym now after the surgery. So I'm very excited for that.

Junior, the better. And did anybody else notice Cole may have given away a spoiler on Smackdown? I didn't get to it all.

When we were talking about gender mahal of the India tour, how he will be the first WWE champion of Indian descent to defend his title in India in the first weekend of December. So any title shots you have now between now and then, you know who's going to win? Well, he's not technically scheduled because it's going to be a non-title match.

At Survivor Series. Yeah. But that doesn't mean he can't defend it on Smackdown.

They're just not going to book it. And we're going to talk about that here in a minute. And we'll talk about it right now.

This was my reaction. Did I hear right? Jinder Lezner?

This will take five seconds. Well, you got the volleyball soul. Yeah, and I'll let you also got Hayman.

No, no, legit timing. I'll set it at 432. I heard that and went, oh, and what was Cole the one night of the year were champions?

Don't you have night of champions in December or called clash of champions now? Well, I forgot to say my hotel room was 316, by the way. I saw him in a commercial last night.

Apparently, he's doing commercials for some. Yamaha, I think. In the little four-wheelers thing?

Yeah. Seeing Austin wearing a helmet, driving a four-wheeler is nothing sort of wonderful. I'm just saying.

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Let's run the card. Now this is not in any specific order. It's just the order of importance.

I put them in. Should we just have a big sigh before this? Hold on, I need my phone.

Where's my phone? So we have like right here, because I've got a picture of my phone. Just say, have you heard from I've got picks in my phone a whole lot of them.

Yeah, it's going to say, because anybody who doesn't have a man. Oh, we just got a prediction from Stephen on Survivor Series. Samoa Joe interferes in gender wins.

Mark it down, because he's going to be there. Oh, that's a good one. Stephen's going to be there.

Can we just give Stephen a point? If that happens, I will give Stephen two points. You know what?

We'll give him three. Just for that kind of a prediction. And plus he'll be there.

He's actually they're going down. They're doing NXT Wargames and the whole deal. I am actually at home.

He's a little bit under the weather today. He also went to the state fair yesterday and he's exhausted. Hold on.

Get rest and get back. Before we get to the picture, you said, Don, hold on for ROH something. Oh, okay.

If you're not into ROH Spulculators, in three, two, don't say the one final battle in December, based on the TV tapings they have coming up. Cody Rhodes Dalton Castle. Yeah, they've been kind of teasing that already.

So your boys, your boys got the title shot. And they're coming here next month. And well, I'll tell you something.

That's segmented yesterday with Bullet Club laughing through a break. That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen. But they're coming here next month.

We're going to see if we could do. I'm going to talk to Brian Kruger and see if we can. Yeah, I would love to go because I don't even know.

I'm talking about doing big win by your boys, Don. That's a divisional win, isn't it? Yes, it is.

And look at Seattle finally waking up in a second. Have you realized the Seahawks have not scored a first quarter touchdown all season? Way got to rub it in.

I'm just like one in five already. I forgot that you're a Giants fan. That's just bad football, dude.

Yeah, it is. But by the same token, my dolphins are four and two, and I can't tell you why. We're not going over, but we're going for the pick.

Exactly. The tank is on. You're not Cleveland.

Cleveland's one game from halfway to the perfect season right now. They're choking you again today. All right, so let's run the card in the pre-show match because we don't have it on the studio.

So in case it's happened, we don't know. Sasha, Sasha Banks, Alicia Fox. Oh, I love that shirt.

I know. I was very tempted. But I couldn't.

Oh, Don. Christmas. Don.

Yes, mark it down. Jen Christmas, Jen, Sasha Banks, Alicia Fox, because we couldn't come up with a better pace. She's actually on a pay-per-view since Scott knows when.

Hold on, let me get through. Let me get through some picks here. Doc says Sasha Banks.

L.A. says Alicia Fox. Steven says Sasha Banks.

Nothing from Andrew as of yet. And what about Grus? Well, they're not on the competition because they're not here often enough.

So I don't want to punish them because they don't control for every pay-per-view. Jen, I've got Banks. All right, Don.

Well, considering this, I mean, Alicia has not been on a pay-per-view since when, literally. You're the fact checker. You tell me.

I mean, I mean, I mean, I was in Montana at the time. I'm going to have to go with Sasha Banks. All right, Alex.

It's got to be Sasha. Even though Fox does have a t-shirt now. I know.

That was pretty funny. Where's my t-shirt? Why didn't you shall receive?

I've got to say it's going to be Sasha because we're getting closer to the heel turn. And I see a Sasha Banks Alicia Fox alliance coming out of this. Really?

Because who else is she going to lie with on the heel side? I think it'll be Alexa. All right, so the Bryan Kendrick and Jack Gallagher versus Cedric Alexander and Rich Swar.

It is Gallagher. Oh, it is Gallagher. You are correct.

But nobody still cares. All right, let's see. How's her doc says the Bryan Kendrick?

LA says Gallagher and Kendrick. Steven says Kendrick and Gallagher. Done.

I guess I'm going to go with Kendrick. All right, Gallagher. All right.

Kendrick Gallagher. I'm going heels as well just because the heels win way too much on 205 live. I mean, that's really my only logic here or lack there of.

I'm not one of the 12 people. Especially on raw. It's just a face fest.

All right, so the demon. Hold on. Hold on, real fast.

The extreme rules match. Actually, she was on that mixed tag team. Oh, that's right.

Before then, who knows what year was that? This year, this year, but for me, let's see, the demon originally scheduled to wrestle sister Abigail, but as we know, sister Abigail is Bray Wyatt and the mumps has run rampant. So, but that's the reason you haven't seen Bodalis in a while.

This also the reason you haven't seen Bray Wyatt. He won't be wrestling tonight. So now you have a match that I think a lot of people have been waiting to see, especially on a WWE level because it's now Bullet Club founder versus Bullet Club founder as Finn Bauer takes on AJ Styles and both of them could not be more excited if you followed him on Instagram.

So, oh, I gotta give everybody some predictions on this. Hold on. Doc says.

Doc says AJ. LA says Finn. Steven says.

AJ, Alex. How much extra would you pay to have AJ Styles come out dressed as sister Abigail? I could be the angle down the line.

I'm just saying. Well, as much as creative is going to want to push Finn, I'm going to go with styles to try and lead into the survivor series Raw versus Smacked. Okay, Jen.

I've got Finn Balor. All right, Don. I can go with Finn because he's originally one in a thing there.

I'm saying AJ because Carl Anderson didn't interview yesterday where he specifically said that Bullet Club would not be reuniting. Take that for what you're paying. But I'm just, you know, usually when they feel somebody in the feeling guy usually loses.

That is true. But that's my, my reason. AJ's on a roll.

I want to give creative a carrot here because if they're just going to go with that. And remember what I said on this show last week. This club miss, are this shield miss thing is fine.

But I'm ready for the shield to meet the Bullet Club. Absolutely. If we're going to do it, let's do it.

Once everybody gets healthy, of course, Bullet or Balor. I, I want to see them. I want to see AJ with the two of them.

And then they oust Finn. And then Finn's on the outside. Now, I would love to see Finn with them because you can't call him the Bullet Club.

No, but you could do something. I mean, and, but, and the other reason I think it's going to happen is because of this war of worlds, the company's having with the young bucks. WWE has this thing where they want to do what you, they want to know what you do and they want to do it better, which sometimes I can't on W.O.

But they're going to do something just because of this little bit of heat that they've got. Yeah, and rub it into the bucks. I mean, they're great wrestlers.

I got, I'll give that and make you get some good matches and they are athletic and but everything they do. I've seen before. They're not.

They don't bring anything new to the table. Well, who does really do anything new, new, new, new? But, but at least give me a real, an original gimmick.

Yeah, I know that. I mean, you've seen other people's gimmicks that, you know, the second to two sweet and I'll give you that 100%. But still, they are good wrestlers.

You got to get naked. They put their bodies on the line. I still miss it.

And they've had some good matches. I'm not budging. Okay, just like me and Sina don't get on me about Sina then.

Well, to Barrochina. To borrow Steven's best point, which is Finn Balor charisma vacuum. Remember last week, he did say don't sing it pregnant.

He needs the club. He needs Anderson to play off of. If, but if they're going to do it, AJ has to be involved.

He has to be. But he's the underdog. He's the, he's more of the face.

But I would love to have, if you're going to do the club, do all four of them. Just do it. I mean, I'd be okay without Balor, but I would like to have the four club versus the three shield.

That's what they should have done for this thing. But I think, but you've got survivor series coming. Yeah.

If you don't do the brothers of destruction thing, why not? Yeah. And please don't ever let them sing again.

Oscar finally debuts on Raw, Oscar versus Emma. Let me get you some official predictions. As soon as I can open my phone, there we go.

Doc says, Doc says, Oscar. L.A says, Oscar. Just read who didn't pick Oscar.

Steven says, I just scroll back through text messages. He says, oh, wait, stop that. He says, Oscar, she says, wipe.

I like, okay, don't, don't, I want to, I want to read you what Steven just texted me. Because I want you to give credit, we're credit is due. Okay.

Cena is money. Young bucks is monopoly. You see why I love my brother.

You see why I love him. That's my road dog right there. And you know, Cena has a new movie camera now.

Oh, I heard that yesterday. And I mean, okay, so I believe Jen, we're back to you. Oscar, Emma.

I've got Oscar. Don. It's going to be Oscar.

Yeah. Hold on, I'm going to pause for about 30 seconds. I'll take a drink of my beverage.

That'll be longer than creative thought to pick Oscar. I think I agree. It's a clean sweep.

It has to be Oscar. But this is a really good opportunity to showcase Emma. But not as a winner.

No, but, but this, I think this, this match is going to give Emma the opportunity to be, to get to that next level. Because you're going to give her the opportunity to show what she can do. So can my wife pick Emma?

Can she? Yeah. The fantastic fake force.

No, she can. That might be the oddest moment the show's had all year. Why don't you like your wife?

Yeah, what was it on your life? Because she'll probably be the smartest person in the room with Emma Raw Women's Championship on the line. Alexa Bliss, Mickey James, Doc says, oh, let's see, Doc says Alexa Bliss.

Dad, come on. My phone does this. I don't want it to scroll.

LA says, Mickey James, Steven says, Alexa Bliss. Don, we're up to you. You know, I'd like to see Mickey win it.

But I mean, just think about it. She's been midcarning this whole thing since she came back. And I'll see you put in the bell on her again.

I'm Alexa. All right. Out.

So who got the spot on Raw? Who got the finish? I believe Mickey got the upper hand on Raw.

Right. So I'm going Alexa. Okay.

Jen. Alexa Bliss. I'm going to say Alexa as well.

But I think there's going to be a rematch. Mickey's going to get this title at some point. Mickey's there's going to be shenanigans.

This will not be a clean finish. And then we'll give Mickey the title. I just think that this is one of those you deserve it kind of things, but not tonight.

Oh, I think this is just filler until we get to Oscar getting crowned. But I like to see Oscar Mickey more than I'd see Oscar Alexa because even Alaska said in interviews. I'm talking about wrestling right now because I think I'd go that way.

Well, Alexa actually didn't interview this week. She's like, I know I'm not the best in the ring. But from a from a technical standpoint, Oscar Mickey James would be an amazing match.

Could be. We've been wrong before. Oh, yeah.

But I am the smartest man a lot. Contrary to what the minute says. Let's see.

And TLC match. The only match that involves tables, ladders or chairs tonight. The shield without Roman Reigns and substituting for Roman Reigns if you haven't heard.

Okay, okay, hold on. I want to put a pin on that because I heard something the other day and Don, you're probably going to have to verify for this for me. Okay, I'm getting ready.

KFC's official Twitter feed. They only follow 11 people. The five spice girls and six guys named Herb.

If that's true, it is. Whoever their marketing person is is not making enough money because it's 11 herbs and spices. Come on.

It is 100% true. And the best reaction I think was Wendy's going, well, so we didn't get to follow back. I see how it is.

That is the most brilliant thing. I think I just like, yeah, the Wendy's thing at the, yeah, hold on. I heard that the other day and about to lost my mind.

No, no, how long do you think they've been sitting on that? Oh, and how long did it take somebody to notice that? That's what I want to know.

You know that whoever did that initially is just sitting there going someday. Somebody is going to. Somebody when it was in a boardroom.

They're like, okay, here's what we should do with our Twitter feed. And then there was just like this hush in the boardroom. And then somebody went, you sir, our brilliant.

Signed that man to a long-term contract. He's now untouched. It's true.

11 herbs and spices. Five spices and 11 herbs. No, it'd be five spices and six herbs.

Yeah, six herbs. That's the lever, herb, lesson, herb, waters, herb, deans, herbs. You got to have your name in there.

Herve Albert. Herve Albert. Herve Albert has Twitter.

The Victoria Beckham Melanie C. Emma Button, Melanie Brown and Jerry Horn. Jerry.

Oh, that that is amazing. That is wonderful. I'm sorry.

I still think that that officially wins the internet. It's who's nephews running the account? Yes.

Okay. Yeah, just give him something to do. Okay.

So the shield, Kurt Angle in for Roman Reigns versus the Miz, Sheamus, Cesaro, Braun Strowman and Kane. Alex, I think we're up to you. Oh, let me get everybody else's picks first.

Let's see. Doc says. I was looking jump in before the picks right here.

Doc says team angle. L.A. says Kurt Angle in the shield possible.

Jason Jordan. And Steven says the Olympic shield is what he's calling them. I like that.

That's pretty good. All right, Alex, go. All right.

That's why I want to jump in before the picks because I have a feeling I saw it online. I'm not too liking it but it's the best thing for them to do the bait and switch where Angle is found laid out in Jason Jordan. Phil's in because are you really going to blow Angle on short term?

But I still think they give it to shield. Jen. Because of where my heart lies.

I have to go the other way. It's Cesaro, Sheamus. It's probably with her shirt, the painting, the bar.

It's probably not going to happen, but it'd be really awesome if it didn't. I can't wear the shirt and not pick them. I'm going with the Olympic shield as well.

This has to end. We've got to move Miz on and especially with all these other plans that apparently they have for the shield. I just can't let everything get all the waters muddied.

All right, so I don't know that L.A. or Doc graded the card. Although he did say will text and if it went I can get away.

If I miss any picks, well, you know what to do. The cruiser, yeah, the cruiser of Calisto Enzo. Doc says where to go.

Doc says Calisto. L.A. says Enzo.

Steven says Calisto. Jen. Enzo.

Don. Oh, Enzo. Alex.

Everything you need to know about this match is from your reaction of, I'm going Enzo. I think Calisto retains this hole. What are they going to do with them?

At least Enzo can talk. But I mean, you can continue the feud though. Because who else are you going to put it on?

That roster is just so just not what it should be. Because I was excited when they announced that cruiser a classic. I was totally on board.

Oh, absolutely. They were the best matches of the old WCW. Then it just, if not, if not, if not, if not.

All right, we're great in the card. Steven says C plus. Oh, God.

I'm going to go to the B minus. Don. Oh, I see.

Alex, I was going to say F until styles was the fill in. Now I'll say D plus. I'm intrigued.

Apparently the TLC match is going to take a while. It's going to take a chunk of the time from what I'm reading. I'm going to say D plus.

And the only reason I'm reading it that low is I have no tables matches. I have no ladder match and I have no chairs match. If I had at least one of those, it would be at least a C plus.

But because TLC only has one TLC match and that's it, it's depressing to me. And when is the last time you saw a TLC that had this few titles on the line? I think last year.

I thought they had three. I don't know. But yeah, this is the booking on this is a little bit of a cluster.

But I just, I can't. It's a pay-per-view. I need matches with stipulations.

Absolutely. Actually, I think it's going to be fun because of the last minute fill-ins. And you know, the WWE Universal, oh no, it's not!

This whole Lesnar thing just crawls up under my spine and dies. You have a champion that defends months of quarter and shows up even less often. It just...

And the only thing he has going for him at this point between those is to say Suplex Lady. And then put another word after it, which... Let's somebody else say that for a change because it just takes away from it for me.

Okay, last TLC had to take Team Championship on Smackdown, Intercontinental Championship, the Women's Championship, and AJ versus Dean Ambrose for the WWE Championship. That was last year. That was all the belts.

Fair enough. All right, it is WWE TLC. It will be firing up here in about 13 minutes.

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