LIVE From The Dallas International Film Festival

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For the second week in a row, we are out on the road.
We are live in uptown, the uptown area of Dallas.
We are at the Dallas International Film Festival, got an interesting stat coming up for
you in just a minute.
My name is Rob.
I am the executive producer of the Clubhouse podcast and I need to get show shirts done.
Alex is out on assignment this week, but to my right, it only took us 15 years, but
we finally got him to sit down on the show, the man who runs big fanboy.com, the longest
running movie news and reviews site in Dallas.
He is Mark Walters.
Welcome to the show, sir.
Thank you very much.
Where's my check?
It's in the mail.
Okay.
At the other end, you see him kind of sort of don move towards me a little bit there.
We go, he is the official fact checker of sooner or later productions and a man who knows
this is the busiest show he'll do all year.
You may know him as it boonoo, but his mom and name him Don Ford, I'm going to call him
Don Ford.
Hey, man.
We're back in, you know, it's in every year.
It has now been 10 years since the first time we did the show for the Dallas International
on that long.
We have to see that.
Okay.
Well, you guys know me.
I got to go.
Everybody go do your thing.
All right, Mark, you can scoot over now to the co-host chair.
Well, Don is getting ready for the Red Carb and hope we're going to have some great guests
to talk to tonight.
We always do here at the Dallas International Film Festival that runs through next Thursday.
It started this past Thursday night with the world premiere of the upcoming 30 for 30
about the guys from Dude Perfect.
And if you don't know who they are there, a YouTube sensation, they're actually building
a multi-million dollar facility up on an orce item for a scale.
Yeah, pretty exciting stuff.
My nephew is a huge fan.
Yeah.
So I can't wait to see it.
I just couldn't make it out there on Thursday.
But let's talk about some things.
While we wait, we always like to have, I always write a full run sheet because you never
know how long it's going to take for us to get guests.
Some TV news, and I, when I read this headline, I had to do some math because I feel
like it's been longer than this, but I had to verify CBS has renewed the equalizer
for that for a fifth season.
Wow.
I think it's been a longer than that, but the queen, I watched the first two and then
I kind of fell off.
I believe if I remember correctly and someone could check my fax on this.
I think that show premiered as a post-supervolved pilot and it did very well.
And you know, some people might make the argument, well, was it because it was playing
off of the Super Bowl ratings?
Is that why I, that's such a good, but it's, it's lasted and it's doing well and, you
know, good for Queen Latifia.
I enjoyed the ones I saw, it just, I got to a point where my problem with CBS is they
don't communicate with their networks of, they're like affiliates.
Well, yeah.
So like during football season, I would queue up my recording.
And I'd lose like the last 15 minutes because it would start 15 minutes late and my guide
couldn't adjust because CBS didn't tell them, okay, now it's going to start at 721 or
whatever.
And it just got too frustrating.
I was like, I'll just, no, I'm not doing this anymore.
Well, congrats to them on a fifth season, you know, nowadays any TV show that makes
the past two or three seasons, it's a miracle it seems like because the networks are so
quick to cut a show before it even gets its legs.
Well, speaking of getting cut, they've actually announced three more cancellations.
They have canceled CSI Vegas again.
They canceled NCIS Hawaii, and that task is in a tiz because they didn't know until we
hold it apparently.
Yeah, they're very upset and so helped me Todd was canceled.
Yeah, that's a shame.
I really did enjoy that show.
First of all, I love marching a harden, but I think the show was a fun show.
And it was one of those shows that I remember when I started watching it, I thought,
this is really fun.
Like this, I have a feeling it's going to get canceled.
And now my worst fears are confirmed.
So, you know, it's like you said, it ratings, I mean, I always remember that interview
that Jerry Seinfeld did and he said, in this day and age, we wouldn't have lasted because
we didn't even know who we were until season three.
You know, before we kind of get into the meat of this, can I just say, because this is
my first time back in Diff in a while.
Okay.
And this festival holds a special place in my heart for a variety of reasons.
But I've been coming to this festival since it was the Deep Ellen Film Festival going
way back.
Because this is year 18, I think.
Yeah, I was going to say almost 20 years.
And it's gone in a couple different iterations at one point.
It became a fly Dallas and, you know, it's gone through different iterations.
But I've always felt like at its core, you know, there was something in this festival that
really kind of just for me, as a member of the press, I always felt very welcomed.
I felt very appreciated.
And I always love coming back to this festival because the staff is great.
The people behind it are great.
The filmmakers that they bring in are great.
And the filmmakers and the people that come into promote these films seem very appreciative
of the fact that they're able to be here and share it with the audience.
Because listen, you and I have been to other festivals.
We have, you don't always get the kind of welcome that people get when they come here.
There's something about, yeah, if I agree with you, like, and welcome on every level, you
know, they let these slubs do their show 10 years ago.
And then, not only did they let us do this show, they asked us to come back multiple times,
which, you know, if we fool them, I'm okay with it, don't get me wrong.
But I love this festival because there's, it's just got that vibe that everybody's
having a great time.
The red carpets always just jam packed.
I did my first red carpet here 10 years ago when we had Christopher McDonald.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was here.
And he, I was like, my first red carpet interview every ever.
And this is okay.
This is like, he could not have been nicer.
Big bang.
Yeah, could not have the people that have come through here.
We met Jorge Gutierrez, who has become a friend of the show for a long time.
He brought us Diego Luna, that one year, who was awesome.
And it was right after the trailer for Rogue One had dropped.
Yeah.
So the timing couldn't have been better.
And the, the staff at Diff is very generous with their guests too, which I like because
we don't do the red carpet because what we do is a little bit different.
So we want to default that red carpet vibe to the people that are on the red carpet
and because we take our, we got to take our time.
Yeah, we can't just did, did, did, did that because of the nature of what we do, especially
since we're alive.
And we're doing video for the second time ever at Diff.
But yes, I agree with you 100%.
I love everything about this festival.
It's always so fun.
I know we have press, they gave us press credentials, look at it, look at that.
You got to love that.
Yeah.
Anyway, I just, I'm happy to be back and, and it's fun, it's fun that me coming back
coincided with me hosting this with you because you've been a great friend of me and,
you know, we've been looking for a way to do something together.
And so this is kind of a fun way to do it.
And right before your birthday.
Yes, right before my birthday.
A big one too.
Yes.
My 25th birthday.
Yeah.
25 years.
Go short.
Don's already moving.
Okay.
This is fantastic.
Don has never moved this quick.
We got through two headlines.
Okay.
Before.
So you get to move over.
We're going to bring somebody in here.
Yeah.
Now, come on in.
Come on in.
Oh, then there goes Mark's headphones.
Yeah, we're going to put Mark on the other end.
So one of us doesn't have our back to you at any point in the interview.
You got headphones right there.
If you want to wear them, you can take either one of those mics were good.
They both should be hot.
Please.
And talk right into that microphone and tell it.
You were on videos.
Well, tell everybody who you are.
My name is Cody Duncan.
I have a short hair called where the bullets go.
Cody, welcome.
That's Mark.
I know Cody.
This is the clubhouse podcast that Martin, the camera's right there with a little light
is.
Tell everybody you got a short and the fistful.
Has it played yet?
Is that the block played yet?
Yeah.
So it's playing in the late night late night short time.
Oh, you've got the Saturday night late night.
Yeah.
That's always a very popular block.
I know.
It was a lot of fun too.
It's very packed because we had it last night and then our next night is tomorrow night.
So tell everybody about the short film.
Yeah.
So it's about a kid that he shoots at a bird and misses and then he wonders where
the bullet went.
So he goes to look for it.
Nice.
Oh, wow.
So it's a little David Lynchie.
It doesn't wrong with that.
It's a little spooky.
How long did it take you to film?
Because I love to talk about it, especially with short films.
People think, oh, they just went out for an afternoon to film this.
And it's like, no, no, no, no.
These things, how long is the short?
It's 13 and a half minutes.
So for 13 and a half minutes, how long did it take to film it?
Took us one and a half days of principal photography and then probably another half day of
just like experimental photography.
So it was like, it was a little bit of a process.
But it's together.
So the better part of a week, really, to do 13 minutes and which I'm always fascinated
by that because Mark and I are both cinephiles for as long as we can remember, you
know, it's the process of movie making.
Oh, man.
It's a miracle that they ever get made and that they're even good.
Yeah.
But what did you guys shoot on?
We shot on a Venice 2, which is a pretty high-end camera, but it's we mainly did that
because there's a lot of scenes that are just lit by a flashlight.
Yeah.
And so that camera has two noise floors.
So we could get a clean image that we didn't need a lot of light for.
And, you know, it's not having a lot of crew and a lot of lights that helped out the
time.
Yeah.
It was pretty, pretty vital.
And how's your experience been so far here with the Dallas International Film Festival?
We always get a lot of great feedback from filmmakers, but everybody has their own unique
experience.
What's it been like for you so far?
Oh, it's been great.
I love that it's all in one place, which is, yes.
I love that.
And then the violent crowns of beautiful theater, it's where it's right, like, I do this
because it's right over there from where we directly behind the window, but that's where
it is.
No, the theater's beautiful, like the quality of the projection is great, like, also
like all the films I've seen have just been great.
And everybody have met, like it's, yeah, it's been great so far.
It's my first time in Dallas.
Oh, congrats, man.
Welcome.
It's warm.
It is.
It's humid.
It's just unseasonably humid.
Like this is our rainy season, which is not, but the humidity has just kicked it into
overdrive this year, which I don't understand, but we're actually inside, which sometimes
they have us outside, like last year we were outside, but it was a beautiful day that
day.
So I looked at this morning.
I'm like, oh, Lord, I hope we're inside.
And I got here and like, we're going to put you guys right over here.
I'm like, yes, yes, you are.
But I'm from Nashville, so there's a, there's still a nice breeze.
Yes, yeah.
It gets humid, but like, I got here and I was like, I would rather be in Nashville
and July.
Because it's, you think this is bad.
Oh, my friend.
I bet.
I'm from South Florida.
I'm from a tropical climate.
And I moved out here and I'm like, this is a whole different league of hot.
Yeah.
Would we, would we spend 45 days above triple digits last year?
It was rough last year.
I'm afraid of what it's going to be like this year.
Are you going to afford it to you?
No, no, I live here.
Oh, yeah.
But I was actually just in Orlando about a month ago, where I've never been to Orlando
when it wasn't hot or humid.
And so yeah, I, I guess this is kind of good training for that in some ways, you know,
you could say.
So where do you go from here with the short film, do you have some other festivals
lined up or what's next for you guys?
Yeah, so we have a IFF Boston next.
We kind of just started, so we've had, we played a film for it, and we played at a Phoenix
Film Festival, and then a couple of other festivals.
And then we have IFF Boston, and then nothing else after that, but, you know, it's been
a, it's been a good run so far.
Yeah.
So we'll see.
I don't know.
Well, I'm anxious to see how people respond to it here at Duff, I think we have a great
crowd.
And I think we have a really great crowd for short films, which I'm very happy with.
Well, and like I said, that late night Saturday crowd has historically at Diff.
Because, you know, we're going to church in the morning, but it's not, I'm not going to
work in the morning.
Right.
That Saturday night late night crowd.
It's rowdy.
It's fun.
And they, and they've also got some of the horror films that will show, right, late
on Saturday night, too.
So who influences you as a filmmaker?
Oh, man.
As far as like other filmmakers, yes or just, yeah, I mean, I think somebody who's asked
me this last night about my short, I do think, Ingmar Bergman, he's probably, you know, always
influencing.
But I always come back to Baila Tarr, who's like, he makes like, you know, very slow
movies.
And like, mine has a little bit of a slower base and that was like, I wasn't intentionally
doing that.
But then, essentially, it just like happened that way.
And I was like, God, can't get away from Baila Tarr.
But correct me if, if I missed it, because I'm old and the, the memory's going, did you
write the script as well?
Yes.
Okay.
So, I'm, I'm just through my mind, I'm processing the plot of this 13 minute
film.
Yeah.
Where does that story come from?
Well, it was, it's kind of based on a true thing, because I am from Kentucky.
And so I was like target shooting with my dad in the backyard one day when I was like
eight years old or something.
And I just like shot straight up in the air and he turned around and he was like, why
should do that?
And I was like, I don't know.
You're like, happy for the job.
Yeah.
And he was like, you know, it's got to come down.
And I was like, what do you mean?
And I was like, it does just keep going and he was like, no.
So I was like, look, and I'm like, what do you think?
There's a bunch of bullets in space.
Yeah.
Is that what happens?
But so I was looking at the news and newspapers trying to see if anybody got hit for like
a week.
Oh, geez.
So we've all had that feeling of like, if you shoot somewhere and you miss thing,
well, yeah, where does it go?
Like, did I hit a stray dog or did I hit a poor person that happened to be walking
by?
Yeah.
So there's always kind of that fear.
There's one tree to feet behind it that looks like Swiss cheese.
Yeah.
And I think too, it's like, because the whole thing is kind of a coming of age story
of this kid becoming aware of the world that's bigger than him and aware of outside of
himself, which is like, you know, a shot in black and white.
So like, that's why, because it's like this limited perspective.
Well, and something like that shot in black and white, it kind of gives it a whole
different flavor.
Yes.
It creates a otherworldly feeling, which is another intention.
Did it also give it a feeling of like, it was a little bit more closed in because
of the black and white?
Yeah.
With stuff like, when they did Mad Max Fury Road, the button chrome edition or logo
in the black and white edition, when you watch and compare and contrast everything,
number one, everything looks sharper.
But number two, everything feels more like contained or right here.
Yeah.
And that's the other thing too that we did was like, we made the lights very
accluded so that it was just like a pop of light in darkness and like.
So that's just like this, his, his, him navigating all this, like, him being
unaware of all this stuff.
And like, he's just aware of himself, his own faculties.
How close was the final project to your vision pretty close.
It's the first one that I've ever just edited straight through without stopping and
being like, what did I do?
I'm a idiot.
Like, and, and I told my friend that, I was like, I was like, yeah, I kind of got through
this one pretty fast.
And I was like, I don't know if that's because I'm becoming more okay with my failures
or if that it just turned out the way I wanted to.
And he was like, well, I think it's probably the latter.
And I was like, I think it's both.
Yeah.
Well, and you mentioned David Lynch and I think like Lynch is one of those experimental
filmmakers that in a lot of ways kind of taught us, it is okay to take risks and do things
in a different way shooting in black and white, whatever the case may be that, you know,
there's nothing wrong with trying something in a way that is unconventional.
Yeah.
So, do you consider yourself a very unconventional filmmaker?
I try to be, but sometimes I become too convinced.
Like, I kind of like have the, I'll find myself being too conventional and then I'll be like,
no, I gotta do something different.
And then I'll look at it and I'm like, let's wait too much.
Yeah.
You know, it's like the, it's whiplash almost, but yeah, I try not to.
And that's another thing that like my, somebody was talking about it yesterday and it
because I always really interrogate stuff of like that I'm working on as to like, doesn't
even need to be made, you know, like this one just felt like once I finished it, it wasn't
done yet, just like not appealing that I usually have immediately.
So, yeah, I'm really proud of it, and I hope, you know, people enjoy it.
Well, we're getting the high sign, but before we let you go, I always like to end any
of our guests, we call it shameless self promotion.
So, websites, social media, how can people get in contact with you?
Maybe if they want to book the film for their festival.
Yeah.
So, you can contact me through my website, probably, which is CodyDunkham.com, spell that out
for everybody.
CODY, do you in, sue you in?
Okay.
So, I'm on Instagram as well, and I'm a, you know, I've been a cinematographer for 10 years,
so I've got a, there's a lot of, you can just, I got a lot of credits on my, uh, just on the
internet.
So, very cool.
Check out Cody's work, guys.
We're going to keep track of the film.
Thank you so much for jumping on the podcast with us.
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Hard to believe.
Thank you, sir.
Hard to believe we've been doing this for a decade.
Yeah.
They pulled me off of that.
Yeah.
Come on around.
We got somebody else joining us.
The red carpet is fired up right now, and I'm digging it.
Come on in.
All right.
I'm coming.
Grab that pair of headphones right there.
You can pick either one of those seats.
Welcome.
I'm Rob.
That's Mark.
Tell you get right at top of that microphone.
Tell you about who you are.
My name is Ian Harnrine.
I'm the writer and director of a film called Doubles.
Okay.
And you're representing the whole film.
Tell us about the film.
The film is a, it's a father's story.
It's about a young man that comes from Trinidad, who's a street food vendor.
And he goes to Toronto and search of his father.
And so this is part of the world's cinema category here at the Dallas International
Festival.
As a feature.
It's a feature film.
How are you feeling right now?
It's a really complicated feeling of like pride, exhaustion, excitement.
Um, what's that through in there?
Nervousness.
How many times has the film been screened?
Um, it's, this is probably about our, oh, I want to say our fourth or fourth
festival.
So still pretty fresh for you.
Oh, yeah.
It's still very fresh.
Are you out of point when the film shows that you still want to sit through
the whole thing?
I don't sit through it.
I walk out.
Okay.
Did you see the mistakes?
Even at the premiere premiere, because you probably edited the film and did all the
things, once it's done, or you like, okay, I can't watch this with a group of strangers
or it was, or is that I'm going to watch it that first time, and then I'm at
watch a little bit less than a little bit less or was it just like once it's
out there, I usually use that about the sea, all the flaws, which, you know, nobody
else is going to see, but were you able to watch it through that first time or
no the first time I did watch it through with an audience.
And it was, that's a memorable experience.
Something that I'll always take with me was that first time screening that
film with an audience.
Yeah.
Talk about some of the feedback you get from the audience when they see it, you
know, where there's some things that surprised you that they picked up on that
maybe you didn't think about in that specific type of way.
You know, some of the things that people pick up on are things that I didn't think
they would.
I think the film is really funny at times, and you know, I remember when we were
editing it and I was working with my editor, I was like, no one's going to get this
no one's going to laugh at it, and people generally do get it.
Yeah.
Also, I want to, I think one of the great things about the film that still surprises me is,
the film is about a really specific group of people in the Caribbean, a really specific
group of people in a really specific part of the world, and somehow people still get it.
I mean, we're playing in Dallas.
You know, it's amazing.
Yeah.
It's like, I think it speaks to the power of film and the power of this film and that it's
able to transcend, I guess people are able to recognize the fundamental human nature of it
and the human relationships and it, and they're able to see themselves in it somehow.
And to me, like, that's still surprises me how much like the audience gets it.
Because again, it's like, it's not a tough don't to get through, but like, you know,
those people speaking in an accent that, you know, the general audience may not be familiar
with, but they go along with it.
And for that, I'm really grateful and I'm touched by it.
Yeah.
It seems like in recent years, we've been seeing a lot more filmgoers embracing different
cultures in film, like seeing some of the award winners that come out of the Oscars.
It's very different now than what it was just five to ten years ago.
Do you feel like people are becoming more open-minded when it comes to the kinds of films
they take in?
Culturally.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely.
Parasite.
I mean, Parasite is the prime example.
Amazing.
Yeah.
And I think this is what, it's kind of amazing, I feel like a lot of this has to do with
the changing demographics of, you know, of movie goership and that people are interested
in allowing film to take them to places they've never seen before.
And consider other stories that maybe they haven't heard before or haven't seen.
And there's a power in that, and I think people are starting to appreciate that.
And our inquisitive and curious about cultures that are not of their own, that there
may be not familiar with.
Absolutely.
One of my favorite questions to ask, especially if film makers, was, do you remember
what film TD show or whatever it was that you saw and you set with the earliest you can
remember going, I want to do that.
Yeah, oh my gosh, there's so many of those.
You remember the first.
It's kind of like a nerdy like film school movie, but you're in between two of us.
We're the right way.
We're the right way.
We're the right way.
We're the right way.
We're the right way.
We're the right way.
We're the right way.
So that's the first time.
Yeah.
You know, it kind of blew my mind of what movies could be.
Yeah.
Actually, he's a Texas guy, right?
Yeah.
I think he's from Austin.
Maybe he still lives there.
I'm not sure.
But yeah, when I saw his work, he kind of really opened my mind up also, you know,
Spike Leeswork.
The first time I saw it, do the right thing.
It just.
Yeah, that that movie was a game changer on so many.
So many levels.
You know, it was kind of amazing about that film is that.
I don't know who owns it, but like, you know, every five years, they have like the
25th anniversary.
Yeah.
30th anniversary.
And they do like a theatrical release of it or like a one-off and I'll always go to it.
And every time I leave it, I'm like, I think that's the best film I've ever seen in my life.
Like there's something about that movie that's just like, you're hitting something on
some other level.
It took so many creative choices.
And it's one of the, you see something new because now you, you watch it the first
time and you're blown away.
And then you go back a second time and you're like, Oh, hi, miss that because I was so my mind
was so blown the first time.
Exactly.
It's like just like the standard sort of shot and then just tell it a little bit.
And you're like, Oh, that's really weird.
Why would you do that?
Yeah.
And it's just, oh my gosh, I believe it's amazing.
Yeah.
And those performances are really great too.
I mean, just the opening, like, very timeless.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's incredible.
Yeah.
Is there anything coming down the pike that you as a filmmaker are looking forward to?
Other films?
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Okay.
I mean, the, the slate from can looks really amazing.
Like the new Francis Ford couple of film.
I mean, I can't wait to see that.
That's going to be incredible.
Have we got a release date on that yet?
Yeah.
I don't remember seeing it.
I think there's been a lot of time lately and I think so far.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This has been.
Yeah.
It's like the.
It's mega lopless.
Yeah.
It's one of those.
It's just like we have news.
And then we don't have news.
And then we don't have news.
Just get this thing to me already.
But I just think it's amazing that the filmmakers that we grew up with the fact that they're still making movies.
The fact that Francis Ford couple is still making movies.
You know, George Miller is still making movies.
It's, it shows that there is, there's no limitations.
Like if you're a filmmaker and you're passionate about film, there's no reason why you can't do this into your 80s.
You know, and just make a life of it.
You know, and there's something really inspiring about that.
Yeah.
There's, there's a truth to that.
But it's also inspiring on another level because.
Yeah.
They're still making movies.
But my gosh.
It's really hard for them to make a movie.
It is.
And so it's really hard for me to make a movie too.
And somehow Francis Ford couple.
It's how long has he taken him to make this movie?
I mean,
he did it.
But it's still hard for him.
Francis Ford couple.
It's hard for him to make a movie.
Well, and as the as a writer director of a film.
You know, every time I talk to filmmakers, it's like at a certain point.
I have to tell myself like this is.
And I have to walk away from it because if I don't if I sit here any longer.
I'm going to keep editing and I'm going to keep re editing.
And then I mean,
At what do you give yourself a timeframe of saying, OK, I'm going this long.
And that's it or do you go, OK, I'm going to go tell it's as close to my vision as possible.
And then I have to leave it alone.
You know, a lot of it is coming to terms that it's never going to be the vision that you have that you had originally going into it.
And a lot of it is just like really playing with the material and knowing this is the best it's going to get with the material that we have.
And that that's like a hard thing to do like I teach now as well as filmmaking films and I see that in my students like there just constantly.
Some of them will never finish their project and it's like you it's really important that you finish things that you can move on to the next one.
And just to just to like walk away from it is that is like an important trait to have and be able to do that.
So like with you know with my film right now it was we spent like about a year editing it.
About like take you know coming up with a cut taking your break from it coming back is this working.
Let's try this I know we have this shot.
Let's try to see what happens if we can do this.
Let's play with like rejiggering the orientation of scenes.
Does this help it maybe it does maybe it doesn't but like really experimenting with the material and trying to make the most of it.
Yeah, a lot of people say a lot of filmmakers will say that a big portion of the film itself is in the editing degree with that.
Yeah, there's just so much that you mean it's made me.
It's made me a better from a filmmaker a better director of by being able to like really.
involved with the edit and see what's happening.
They're like I see I know like every single moment of that film because I watched all of the edits.
Yeah, I watched every single line of the footage.
I know what it's like.
I know the mistakes that I made.
I know that I know the good parts of it.
I know the things that we we tried to cover up at times.
And like that's definitely me better filmmaker for sure.
Yeah, with modern technology.
You can you can edit on the fly.
Do you prefer that or do you prefer to have some distance from it before you edit so because I know sometimes you see something on set.
That in post you see differently good batter and different do you prefer to do it as you go or would you either wait.
Get some time away from it so you can come back and maybe see it with fresh your eyes.
Yeah, you know it depends on the project because sometimes you just don't have the luxury time you've got to turn it around.
For producers or whoever you're working with, but we didn't necessarily have the pressure on on this feature and so we were able to take the time and I did I took like.
About a month off from from production to actually go like my editor was working and he gave me the time to step away from it and that's when I could probably about a month after post or sorry the month after wrapping is when I start to really look at the material.
Is that is that a normal process for you like you said it differs from project a project but is that about average or is it that very like sometimes I'm there that day sometimes I just.
Yeah, it really does vary but from project like I do a lot of television sometimes and with that it's like you're turning it around as soon as possible because there's deadlines that have to be met.
Well that being that being necessity.
Yeah, do you do you like that though because I feel like having having that level of deadline.
I would probably just my brain that exploit.
Yeah, no, it's it's a different framework.
I think it's I think it's good to have people that are like we need this right now you need to turn it around.
You need to figure it out you need that and it really quick.
I think that's really important.
No, back that skill to have people to tell you like hey back away a little bit.
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that's a good skill to have.
No, but it's also good to not have that pressure at times and like you are able to like work more fluidly or more like.
I don't know how to like expand your mind about the possibilities that are there.
Yeah, you really are able to explore all possibilities.
We just got the high sign that we got to let you go, but before we let you go, we got to do shameless sell promotion.
So anybody that's maybe not making it for the Dalton National Film Festival if they want to get in touch with you after tonight.
Give the websites the social media is all the nine go.
Thank you.
Yeah, so the film was called doubles.
It's.
It's pretty tomorrow.
You can't make it.
That's fine.
What time tomorrow?
445 right here.
The violet crown.
That's just on the other side of this thing.
Right behind this thing.
Also, we're on Instagram at at doubles the movie Facebook.
Yeah, doubles the movie dot com as well.
That's, you know, we got them all.
Got it.
All right.
Thank you so much for sitting down.
I hope tomorrow goes swimmingly.
Thank you.
Enjoy the festival, my friend.
I will.
This is my first time to go.
Thank you.
Thank you.
We're honored to be a part of it.
Thank you.
Thank you.
This is the Clubhouse podcast.
We are live at the Dallas International Film Festival.
It is night three of the show goes through next Thursday night.
So I wouldn't get too close.
Wouldn't get too comfortable.
Mark.
Somebody else coming in.
You know those moments.
I am well.
How are you?
Oh, this is exciting.
You, you have no idea.
You can go and put those headphones on if you'd like because now we do video, but we also do audio.
And I always say when our guests sit down, nobody on the audio feeds going to believe me if I say who's sitting with me.
So I'm going to let you tell everybody.
Okay.
Get right up on that thing.
Right.
There we go.
How come I have my headphones on, but I can't hear anything.
You got one.
You probably have one year ago.
I'm a side sadler.
Yeah, it's, it's the way it's why.
Okay.
Well, hello.
I am Annabeth Gish here at the Dallas International Festival.
Yeah.
Oh, we were, could I, can I let you in on a little secret, Annabeth?
Yes, sir.
You're the only person we wanted to talk to.
No, I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
But we're very excited to have you on the show because we've been talking about you being here.
And one of the things we love about diff is you see a really good variety of filmmakers.
But then you also see, oh, we got one more coming in.
Hang on.
I'm going to scoot out of the way.
Oh, you, I can move.
I can move.
That makes it easier.
Okay.
But we're very excited to have you here.
And, and I'm wondering.
And I'm wondering what your experience has been like so far.
But I'm guessing you probably just got here.
Is that true?
Just for the last night.
And we've had a lovely day.
We had some press today and some nice interviews.
And then my husband is here.
So we had a nice walk about.
I love Texas.
Yeah.
Happy to be here with the grapples.
The grapples are out.
Very much this year.
Yes.
And we've got somebody else joining us.
Talk right into that thing.
Tell us who you are.
Hey, how are you doing?
I'm for you, Jason Smith.
Both representing ride.
Tell every, I was, I was doing my reading.
But I want you guys to talk about the film itself.
Because this is what's fascinating.
I'm the grandfather kind of.
The main route of the problem.
This is the first time you've been that.
I call that Tuesday.
He's not going to talk about it.
Yeah, it was first time I got the step out of the box and not play a hard case.
So it was special to me.
And I had met Anna Beth and newer husband worked with him.
And talking was really glad to get to work with her.
Same with see Thomas Howe.
I've been around him at rodeos and I've worked for his dad.
And with his dad.
And it was great to get to work with him.
He's had a lot of fun.
The Allen family are great.
People the work for.
There's a very professionally run.
And there is a lot of passion going on.
Nice.
Ms. Guess what brought you to this film?
Well, I play Monica Hawkins.
Mother to my son Jake.
And also to have it.
I have three children.
My youngest daughter is dealing with a cancer diagnosis.
And we can't afford her health care.
I play a sheriff.
And I, what drew me to the project was that it.
I think it shows a real authentic sensibility of the Western cowboy rodeo world.
And lots of elements of how hard that is.
Don't they know we're filming an interview over here?
It shouldn't bleed through.
If I if I arrange this right, it shouldn't.
But it also proves that we're actually live, which is kind of nice.
I can't think of very many other places.
It would be more perfect to premiere this and to show it to people right here in Texas and Dallas.
It seems like the perfect film festival to have this.
Oh, yeah, especially because Jake is from his family is from Dallas.
Yeah.
And you should talk to him because he's the part and soul of the movie.
We're definitely going to try to get him over here.
Absolutely.
This is this is my all the years in the movie business.
This is my first film festival.
Really.
Yeah.
No kidding.
We're honored to have you here.
You know, I wrote a lot of bulls around this country.
I moved down here from Montana right after urban cowboy.
And every little town had a bull riding.
I've been Arlington of course, Mesquite.
This Garland, Cleaver, Maybell.
All these little towns had bull riding.
And it just seems fitting that this is where I go to my first film festival.
How's the festival been for you guys?
I'm amazing.
Yeah.
Been treated good.
I hate that I'm already getting a high sign.
This sadness.
We just sat down.
I know.
Maybe we can talk after the.
Absolutely.
But I want to make sure before you go, though,
give everybody where websites, social media.
How can they get to the film get to you guys get in touch with you?
Maybe other film festivals want to see this.
It's like 14th.
It'll be coming out.
It select theaters.
And digitally.
And there's an Instagram handle called at ride underscore movie.
For like all the behind the scenes stuff and all the stuff you guys are doing.
Maybe.
Okay.
You're lucky.
Well, they got to go look at it then.
Don't think right.
Exactly.
We got our fingers crossed that we're going to have the premier at the Cal Town.
Your side call a CM on May 26.
We haven't got all the paperwork and stuff signed yet.
Oh, that's fantastic.
Well, you're putting it out there to the universe.
So it has to happen.
We'll start a petition right now.
That's what I'm hoping.
Well, we're honored to have you guys on the show.
Very honored to have you for your very first film festival.
Congratulations on that.
Thank you guys so much.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Sorry.
I know.
We should have more time.
You guys got to go shake hands and kiss babies and do the whole thing.
So the clubhouse podcast.
Oh, yes.
Live from a Dallas International Film Festival.
Okay.
That was cool.
Come on in.
Come on in.
And we got a lot going on here.
We are moving and shaking.
I saw Alex checked in.
I see that Russ is checked in as well.
Grab that.
You can grab those headphones.
And you're right up on that Mike.
Tell us who you are.
Hey.
This is Philip Gettard.
Philip power.
How's the Dallas Film Festival treating us of work?
Man, this place is amazing.
I'm having great time.
Great time.
Just glad to be here.
Is there a film you're promoting that you want to tell us about?
That's right.
I'm the executive producer for Water Wars.
Feature Link documentary.
So that's our film.
Tell us about the film because I don't have a thing for it.
I want to hear about this.
Sure.
Okay.
So water.
Water Wars is a story about.
It's a West Texas story about some farmers and ranchers who they go to.
They go to war over water rights out there.
And it's an underdog story.
And it deals with property rights.
And it's a, it is, it is like a David and Glyath underdog story.
And it deals with a lot of issues that had statewide impact.
And in fact, the story goes all the way.
Chronicles through the Texas Supreme Court.
And, you know, the verdict was a, was a lasting impact for Texas landowners.
What's the, what's inspired you to make this into a film?
What inspired me to make it into a film was that it was connected up with my family.
And so I had some family members that actually went through it.
And I was actually at the Texas Supreme Court when it went through in 2007.
So I was here during the Supreme Court case.
Oh, wow.
It was, it was, it was close to, it was close to my heart.
And that aspect.
Where are you from originally?
I'm originally from Evelyn, Texas.
Evelyn, great.
Yeah.
How many times has this?
How many times has this film been shown so far?
Uh, just want to just, we had a, we're here.
World premiere.
World premiere very nice.
World premiere.
No better place, right?
No better place.
Yeah.
What's happening is going to happen.
It happened yesterday.
Tell us about it.
Tell us how it went.
It was amazing.
I, we couldn't have asked for anything more.
Diff has been just absolutely spectacular to us.
Uh, the, that we had, was sold out.
Our show sold out like in the second day.
Oh, wow.
We, which we couldn't believe it.
We were, we were overwhelmed, you know.
And so they got it sold out.
And the crowd was great.
Uh, we had an after party at the Ritz Carlton afterwards.
But, but the, but the whole premiere was just, uh, our crew, everybody was here.
We, we had a large turnout of people that just came in from different spots.
And, uh, that we just couldn't have been happier.
Do you get to exhale now?
Or are you just like, no, now it's just beginning.
Like the next piece.
I, I get to exhale a little bit.
I mean, we do get our second screening tomorrow.
Okay.
What time?
It's 12 15 right behind us.
Right behind us.
Right behind us.
12 15 right.
So I'm excited about that.
So I do get a little bit of time to exhale.
But, you know, we're, we're still, we're still cranking on that one as well.
Do you have a Q and a yesterday and tomorrow?
Uh, I think that yes.
We have a Q and a both both.
Yes.
All right.
They're already given us the high sign.
We must be cycling through.
Yes.
David, really quickly.
Tell us where people can find out more about the film.
There we go.
Well, right now.
We'll be definitely looking for one in the future.
But right now, just stay tuned and, you know, we're going to get a hold of you.
Yeah.
We're going to find you.
Red ACEs production.
There you go.
Red ACEs production.
Right.
They'll get to our on everything.
Everything.
You got it.
All right.
Thank you so much.
It was so glad things went well.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Enjoy the festival.
Red ACEs production.
On his goddess on a tight time schedule today.
All right.
This is the clubhouse podcast.
We are live at the Dallas International Film Festival.
We are just man, cavalcade stars happening.
I don't know.
We've ever moved it this quick.
Yes.
Please have a seat.
I got one pair of headphones.
Well, I got two microphones.
That's Mark.
I'm Rob.
Go ahead.
Get right on top of those microphones.
Tell everybody who you are.
Well, my name is Noah Lolland.
One of the actors from Dear Camp 86.
And my name is L. Van Dyke.
So bouncing if that sounds like a pseudonym.
It's because it is.
My real name is Harold Crohn.
Hey, fair enough.
And can I say Dear Camp 86.
Maybe my favorite promo poster of the festival.
Hey, hey.
It's right over there.
Right over there.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Good looking group.
It's a.
It's a very fine.
Same looking.
Plugging the refinery and Los Angeles.
Who crushed that poster for us.
Why 86.
I mean, you're talking to two Gen Xers.
So we're okay with stuff in the 80's.
Tell me why 86 is specifically very simple.
Vehicles rust and Michigan.
And the oldest vehicle that we could find that still ran.
Was a Chevy suburban from 1986 that we could afford.
That is fantastic.
It was originally Dear Camp 82.
Then it became your camp 84 because we had a line on a Ford F-150 that was going to make the cut.
The events we became 86 that could be the greatest in 15 years on the air.
That could be the greatest answer that I've ever got.
I've ever let it be said.
The car doesn't make it.
That's right.
That's right.
I was going to say the reasoning for the name is so much better than it's been given credit.
You people, you could say that.
No one's even said how awesome that is.
Yeah.
Like it's way better than me.
Like yeah, it was a good year for me.
You know.
I mean, I was in the seventh grade.
That was a good time.
So I'm saying.
What brought you to the project?
Because yeah, that's just that.
I'm not just going to make take a stab in the dark.
You weren't around in 86.
86 was a great year for me.
And in that my parents were out there living a life.
It was living their best life.
And it was a great year for them.
Yeah.
Well, that's not the only thing that's just somewhere in there.
But what intrigued you to join the cast?
You know, I can't pretend like it was something I had a lot of control over.
As a young actor in Metro Detroit.
You know, being able to work in.
Being able to work on a film.
You can't be too selected.
Um, but I.
Thanks, Noah.
I mean, I.
Here's what's in awesome.
Here's the thing.
I praise.
I praise.
I praise.
The only thing is this show.
I can't pretend like that's not the truth.
Because I would have loved to have done it.
But I got sent it by an old acting coach.
You said, hey, you.
One of the keep in touch.
Hope you're well.
Here's here's the tape.
I'm this my first project that I ever did.
Well, well, let's talk about the project itself.
Yeah.
I mean, I could read it from here.
But I want to hear the plot from your stand.
I've had two margaritas.
You should probably read it from there.
I don't know.
That might make it easier to.
That might more for fun.
No.
It's okay.
So it's a story of a group of close friends in the fall of 1986.
Who climbed into the cab of a 1986 Chevy suburban and head north to the greatest place on earth,
which we all know is deer hunting camp, where they happened to cross paths with a local woodland spirit
who's out to avenge the death of an indigenous woman and things go very badly for them in the forest.
Did you shoot it in a quote unquote 80 style?
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
It isn't so great.
The film is in homage to those great 80s horror films.
We've got some very iconic shots that, you know, speak to that era.
And it's can't be.
It's fun.
It makes.
It pokes fun at itself.
I think one of my good horror film does though.
There's a level of self-awareness that has to be.
Absolutely.
I mean, at one point, one of our characters says a bar fight, how original.
But we had to say that in any movie almost.
You know, Noah Noah, you know, I have afternoon movie blowing up with his Netflix series.
He's just been a great champion of the movie.
We loved having him in the cast.
I just, he's such a great guy.
He's a wonderful person.
All the things he hear about him being so incredible are all true.
He's so pretty.
We called him River to Caprio because he looked like a luxury.
I don't even have a Caprio.
I never feel like those shoes.
I'll never say that ever out loud.
Has the, has the film happened yet?
Is it getting ready to happen?
Because they don't, I don't have the schedule in front of him.
Yes, it's on it.
Ten o'clock tonight.
Oh, you've got the time.
Come on down.
I think there's actually there.
The don't come on down and cheer outside.
There you go.
Because we, we talked about.
The Saturday night times out at the Dallas International Film Festival.
It's a very popular.
Yeah.
So the fact that you guys got that 10 o'clock slot is nothing sort of like that that shows you how much the festival is really behind this film.
We're already getting the high sign, which is crazy.
We've been blowing and going tonight.
Yeah.
But I'm not going to let you guys go without promoting websites.
Social media, the whole thing after the, so if you want to get a hold of you after the festival, where can they find you?
Yeah.
You know, Instagram is a great place.
No, a little long.
That's my name.
You look that up.
I hope that you get close enough to find something.
And I was completely not prepared by our team for this.
So, but I'm sure a few search.
Dear camp 1986 movie.
I'm sure you're going to find a somewhere heading toward a theater near you.
May 31st coming out and see the film.
It's a great film for a communal experience.
Sitting in the dark with a bunch of friends watching this movie.
It's so much fun.
Tonight at 10 o'clock.
If you got tickets, great.
If you didn't, if you didn't, I'll be standing outside the theater doing re-caps.
I will for a go.
Go on.
I'm going to the fans.
Thank you guys.
Thank you guys.
We appreciate you so much.
I can't wait to see it.
Here about how it goes tonight.
Dear camp 86.
Oh, my childhood.
So great.
This is the clubhouse podcast.
We are live at the Dallas International Film Festival.
Oh, I need to take a breath.
And we're only at the halfway point.
This is insanity.
Y'all come on in.
I don't know if we're going to be able to get everybody in frame here.
Come all the way down.
Come all the way down.
I don't bite unless provoked.
So you're okay.
I'm robbed.
That's Mark.
I'm going to get behind this buddy.
I'm going to scoot as far over as I can because we got a lot of people to put in this
frame.
Hey, you know what?
It's like my high school band pictures.
This is awesome.
Yeah.
All right.
Get right on top of that thing.
Tell everybody who you are.
All right.
Great.
I'll start us off.
I'm.
I'm brave.
I'm the director of beer cats.
We're still here.
I'm.
Kelsey key.
I'm the executive producer of beer cats.
We're still here.
Chad.
Trigg Ellis said football coach and subject.
I get.
Get right up on the microphone.
Don't.
I don't.
Chad.
Trigg Ellis said football coach and subject.
There you go.
World premiere at the Dallas International Film Festival.
That's right.
Nice.
We're very glad you hear.
They haven't given me the schedule.
So it has, has it happened?
Is it fixed in the happen?
It happened this afternoon.
It's 12 30.
We screened at the Texas theater and the game on shorts block is really fun.
So you've got to even go to the Texas, which.
Oh, yeah.
There's something about the Texas theater when you walk in like you feel that history.
And for people that don't know, the Texas theater is where the Harvey Oswald was found and arrested.
Every year on the anniversary, they actually wrote off his seat and play the movie.
He was watching at the time.
But tell us about this film.
So I'll I'll start.
So this film is it started out as a amazing highlight room for my son who's standing here.
Liam, it was his first year to be a starter.
He's been playing PV football for several years.
But this was his first year to like he was and he was starting.
And we were excited as parents and we thought, OK, well, let's get a highlight real.
Like, let we've got the we've got the gear.
We have a production company.
Something from nothing.
There you go.
James, I love.
I love shameless self emotion.
A little shameless plug.
So yeah, we thought, why not get some amazing footage and about.
I don't know.
I'd say by game three, we were hearing.
The, you know, the coaches give speeches and pump up these boys and and not only that the kids are really good.
We thought, OK, let's get some different gear.
Let's switch the lens.
Let's get a little closer and start from and more practices.
And by that point, we knew we had a film on our hands.
And it looks like there's an underlying story here.
Coach, if you want to talk about the underlying story of what comes from this.
It comes from this documentary from what I'm reading.
Yeah, I think the biggest underlying story that they're really trying to portray in this was that the life lessons we teach the boys through sports and through football and how they can apply those so they're everyday life.
And it, you know, to me as a football coach, it's not that so much about when in the games, it's developing these boys in a young man and seeing them flourish, not just on the football field, but in the classroom and in life when they move on and out.
Was it filmed in the 2023 season?
Yeah, we filmed last fall, so from August to November.
So you've had some time away from it.
Then you come, what was it like watching it?
Especially for you guys because you guys had to watch yourself on the biggest screen you've probably ever seen yourself on.
Was that weird? Was it cool?
You get right up in the microphone, bro? That's where he was.
Was it those super cool?
Were you like, hey, that's me.
That guy right there.
That's me.
I would too.
Yeah.
I had a really cool time.
I see myself.
I got so excited.
Yeah, it was definitely one of the number one experiences in my life.
It was pretty cool seeing myself on a big screen.
Did you guys get to do a Q&A after?
You want to get in here and talk about how to do it?
Go ahead, go for it.
I don't want to leave you out.
I just really like the document.
I just really like the video.
I've seen everyone in there.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
How was it when you guys are, you know, you're business.
You're all, what are they called?
You're standing on business out there.
It's out the kids are saying now.
Don't let this fool you.
This is yeah.
I am old.
When you've got cameras watching everything that you're doing.
Are you able to block that out?
Were you just used to it?
Was it weird for you guys?
I just ignored it and just played my game.
Yep.
They're already there.
That's that is such an NFL statement right there.
Well, I can speak to that a little bit.
So when they first asked me if they could film some practice and get some highlights of Liam.
Say, I thought he was just going to be out there with his iPhone.
Getting a couple of videos and, you know, getting on split pick or whatever it is.
And putting these things together.
I don't know.
I didn't know what we had going on here.
But next time, no, they show up this professionally.
But, but they really, they, they say very discreet.
As far as practice goes, I'm my glance over every now and then.
It's in video.
But 99.9% of the time I never knew they were there.
So they're the same thing with the boys.
So everything in the, in the film was completely raw.
It's just nothing scripted.
It's exactly the way it happened.
How did the premier kill?
It was so much fun.
We got to screen with the Dallas Maniac film and some of them came out and we're.
Who didn't holler in.
I'm a very good buddy.
Who is a man.
Yeah.
They're so fun.
So it was a great time.
I think the boys enjoyed seeing themselves in a course.
See in themselves after a few months of being out of football season.
It was like, oh, yeah.
We forgot all this happened.
And we're going to do it all over again in about three months.
Yeah.
We've got to start training and get ready for six grades.
And takes place in a lito.
That's right.
For people that don't understand the geography of Texas.
Tell everybody where a lito is.
So a lito is just a little bit west of Fort Worth.
Small town, but they are known for football, man.
Like it is serious business.
The high school team has won the state championship in Texas for 12 years.
So it is.
There's some big shoes to fill, but obviously you can see that they started me on.
So for where we are, it's about an hour and a half south west of where we are.
And because we're actually in for those of you that don't know.
We are in what's called up town, which is the south side of Dallas.
Yeah.
Almost to the central side of Dallas.
How are you guys think of like, is this the project?
Let me try that in English for you.
At this point, because I mean, you guys are young.
Is this what you want to pursue?
Is this the thing for you right now?
Or are there other sports that you play as well?
Yeah.
I play a lot of sports.
Something I do track as well.
And I love that too.
What about you, my friend?
I play a lot of.
I play some baseball.
I play travel ball.
I just feel like football is in the cross.
I play soccer and basketball.
I mean, I really can't choose, but I mean, between soccer and football.
I mean, it's pretty much the same thing to me.
And I love football.
It's football and football.
Yes.
Basic.
Football.
That's right.
I'll be honest.
I don't play a lot of other sports.
I mean, I play football.
That's about it.
I play some esports on the side.
But you know what?
See, here's the thing.
When I was a kid, that's all old people would say is like,
why do you play video games?
You'll never be anything doing it.
And these kids are making millions of dollars.
Like, I see a controller now.
And I'm like, yep.
Got nothing.
It's too many buttons.
It's too many buttons.
There's 12 triggers.
I get very confused.
I'll end up like looking up and I'll just spend in circles when I try to play video games.
I'm like, this is not how controllers were when I was a kid.
Like, I play.
Let me have a little light gun.
I'm going to have a light gun.
I'm going to have a light gun.
I'm going to have a light gun.
I'm going to have a light gun.
I'm going to have a light gun.
I'm going to have a light gun.
I'll go to this guy.
Love it.
Or if I have like pinball, I can do pinball.
I'm all spine.
I see people playing like Call of Duty.
I'm like, this looks incredible.
But there is no way.
But see, I'm going to football guy too.
Life begins in August ends in early February now.
My dad, who's standing over there in that purple shirt, Tarleton, he's ripping
on a plate football, his entire life, and then was blessed to have three daughters, who did not play football.
So being able to kind of share this with my son who has his many many has been really special.
Do you have any other plans for the film after this festival?
Yeah, so we have we've submitted the film to a few more festivals that were waiting to hear back on.
And it's really just kind of open to what comes next with this.
I think Alito is a great subject to document and tell a story about how integrated football is into that community.
Like Kelsey said, you know, it is basically from the moment these boys can stand up their plan football and it's the reason why they've been so successful.
Try that again.
It's the reason why they've been so successful for so many years is because of, you know, the dedication they have in that town.
So yeah, we're excited to see where it goes next. Not quite sure though.
Coach, what was it like for you watching the final product out there?
Because coaches are always going to be more critical period end of statement. It kind of comes with the territory.
But for you to watch you.
That's got to be a whole different level.
Yeah, first thing I was just hoping I didn't say anything too stupid.
So I call that every.
But no, it was really rewarding to watch the whole thing come together.
And you know, just when you're out there, just coaching every day, you don't really pay a much attention to how you appear to everybody else on the outside.
So it was really nice to see, you know, really kind of how we did, you know, come off towards the boys and other families and
other coaches I've got their leadership with the boys. So it was really refreshing and kind of really kind of made us feel like that.
Yeah, we are doing things the right way.
I just got the high sign. So we got to let you guys go have fun and do things. But before we go, I need more shameless self promotion.
Where can they follow you guys website social media is the whole thing go.
Absolutely. You can you can follow us on our website at sfn dash productions dot com on social or sfn dot productions and Facebook is something from nothing productions.
Thank you guys so much. Thank you so much. Thank you.
They're cats. We're still here. Be on the lookout for it.
All of these.
Appreciate it. Oh, thank you.
Yeah, hey, you know what? You just said you're on lunch.
Lunch not custom. We're good. There's a family show.
Hey, y'all.
We appreciate y'all.
This is the clubhouse podcast. We are live.
Normally every Thursday night, but we said, you know what we're going to do Saturday this week because we're going to be at the Dallas International Film Festival.
It is hopping in here.
There were so many people. Mark was like, I'm going to go hang out over here for a minute, but he's back now.
Because he doesn't want to leave me by my loan.
I just I just had a it was very that was very cool. You got all of them in here.
That was awesome because I was worried. I was like, how are they all going to fit in here?
I think Don is bringing over someone else right now.
All right. I'm going to take a drink of my water while we get it on this room.
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How are you doing?
Doing well. How much stuff?
I'm doing pretty good.
My name's J.T. Barnett.
Hey, J.T. Thanks for coming on.
Yeah, of course.
Kind of a crazy night, right?
But in a good way.
You're really good.
Absolutely.
Everybody's having fun.
Yeah, we just got out of the screening of the dead don't hurt.
And then don't grab me and brought me here.
Okay.
On your sheet.
I'm the original producer and director of the show called the Tiger King.
Yes.
Can we can I just say can I just say on behalf of everybody during COVID.
Thank you for giving us something to watch.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah.
So I shot the Tiger King.
I also produced cheaters here in Dallas with Bobby Goldstein.
That's 20 years.
And that's you want to talk about a show that has had legs.
Yes.
Like 23rd season.
Yeah.
Amazing.
I was queuing something up on my DVR the other night.
And it started with the end of cheaters.
And I was like, they show is still on.
This is amazing.
You're doing something like Tiger King, which became.
It was a force of nature.
Yes.
Yes.
As you're filming that.
Do you have any inkling?
Are you like, you know what?
This is going to be a thing.
It's going to be yours.
Or do you got like, you know, this thing's going to be huge.
You know, we actually shot the Tiger King pilot in 2013.
Jason Carbone.
You know, the creator of the Bachelor.
His then company was a good clean fund.
So I produced and directed the original sizzle reel, which sold the program into pilot in 2013.
The staff had their accident at that time.
And that canceled the pilot.
And like you said, you wouldn't, you know, I knew it was going to be big.
And all the great things that are about the show that, you know, Joe is a, you know, a gay,
uncaring polygamous redneck with 200 tigers.
Yeah.
I feel like you've gotten that part of it down.
Yeah.
It's so fluid.
We crafted the slides back then.
And, you know, we even called it at the Tiger King pilot.
But it, it would take, you know, Joe getting set up.
And the, and the murder for higher conspiracy of for it to really come to the forefront.
But yeah, 2016, 2017, I, I was probably deleting footage to make room on hard drives.
Wow.
Nobody's going to watch this crazy zoo show.
And what was, I mean, it was almost a perfect storm.
Because you guys hit a lot of first.
Yep.
Like this was really the first Netflix documentary.
Much like documentary series that just went, just took off.
Uh, yes, definitely definitely definitely.
I think it had to do with, uh, COVID as well.
You know, everybody was trapped in their homes.
And, uh, and we get, you get them crazy.
They didn't have it before.
There wasn't, it wasn't the 97th rerun of them watching friends again.
Exactly.
You know, um, you know, it's unfortunate is the narratives that, you know,
we didn't have creative control over it.
About the only, about the only facts you can garner from the Tiger King series are,
you know, Joe exotic was set up.
And, uh, and, uh, Carol Bass can kill her husband.
So other than that, they take a lot of artistic, uh, direction.
But.
But.
Yeah.
When did you get the first numbers in?
Because I want to know about that moment.
Were you looked up and you went?
Can some double check this?
Well, to be honest, I was kind of, uh, you know,
I was tricked into interviewing with them.
Um, not tricked, but they told me we're making the show about big cat owners.
Joe exotic might be in an episode.
Would you be interested in talking to us and showing us some footage in the,
and so I was in the Times Square in January of 2020.
And if you watch the original Tiger King trailer about 60 to 70,
percent of what you're watching is stuff that that I personally shot.
Not even stuff.
Oh, wow.
But.
And they have this original trailer playing.
And it was playing on every screen.
And it was a Times Square takeover.
And I have, and it was just this trailer with the Netflix logo.
And I, and I have no clue what this cost.
But I immediately called the executive producer.
It was like, well, I can't even say which.
I don't know.
I think somebody hacked every screen in Times Square.
Something going on just like, I was like, you know,
you said the show might be about a big cat owners.
Well, it's Joe exotic.
It's called the Tiger King, which was Joe exotic.
The Tiger King was our pilot episode.
And, and yeah, and then I was like, and then what does this cost?
For the Times Square takeover.
You know, if you buy me a hot dog while I'm down here.
Exactly. Exactly.
But it all ended up working out.
And, you know, I still work with Joe to this day.
I just got back from Florida.
We were, you know, I managed Joe exotic.
Okay.
Stay.
And he had a civil trial won the rights to all of his music back.
Oh, wow.
That's right.
In federal court.
And we had a rally in Pensacola.
We had a lot of free Joe exotic supporters outside the civil court house.
So it was great.
You know,
What would you say is the number one thing about Joe exotic that people
misunderstand or maybe make their own call that they're just completely off of that.
You know, that people want to call Joe an animal abuse or a lot.
Yeah.
And, and actually that's exactly the opposite.
You know, Joe lived on a farm where he took care of 200 big cats.
Hundreds of other exotic animals.
He, he was to bed after midnight up before 5 a.m.
And, and there's several misconceptions here.
One, you don't amass 200 big cats because you're getting rid of when, when, when, when they're too large, right?
And two tigers aren't like a dog or another animal that you can abuse.
It's a tiger.
Yeah.
If you abuse or you're rough, you treat these animals bad.
They're, they're very intelligent.
They're going to remember.
And so, yeah.
So it's some misconceptions.
And Joe's in jail for some wildlife charges related to, uh, and, which is actually funny.
They charged him with taking in endangered species, which is actually supposed to protect, like,
bald eagles in the wild, right?
So it's a different thing when he's putting down an old, old sick tiger at his tiger ranch.
But yeah.
The biggest misconception is that, and that he doesn't like is that he's an animal abuser because, you know,
Joe gave up decades of his life taking care and rescuing animals.
And so that's kind of the opposite of the spectrum.
Yeah.
What was your origin to this whole story?
You know, I worked with, uh, I started shooting.
We started shooting cheaters in 99 with Bobby Goldstein.
And, uh, of course, I didn't start out a producer.
You know, I got coffee.
I did everything.
It didn't work.
So that was a PA.
I did sound.
I did camera.
And it proved to be an excellent, you know, uh, proving ground.
Um, but, uh, but yeah, I think I'd done that about 10 years.
And I was venturing out looking for my own trying to make my own way.
And, and I came across this project in Oklahoma.
And, and it was the Tiger King, which wouldn't be pop was way ahead of its time.
You know, like I said, now it's very normal to see.
Oh, it's another, you know, gun carrying polygamous redneck with several husbands and 200 tigers.
That old song.
Yeah.
That old song.
Yeah.
Well, the thing that always amazed me about Tiger King is the fact that I had never seen,
especially a documentary series that had the kind of word amount to where everybody I knew was talking about it.
I mean, there's no advertising.
You could have done that would overcome the word amount that it was getting just from person to person as incredible.
No, absolutely.
And the memes.
The memes.
It's fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The memes are even superior to the production itself.
Yeah.
They're solid gold.
The memes that we get out of it.
So how was your time on the red carpet?
I'm assuming we just pulled you out of that.
You're going to watch tomorrow.
He was at the, you were at that time.
I was at the dead don't hurt.
Yeah.
Okay.
I wanted to see Vigo Mortensen's piece, you know.
It was good.
It was good.
I almost said the dead don't die.
That's a whole different movie.
That was out of couple years ago.
The only time I almost, I actually shouted something in a theater was with at the big moment at the end of that film.
Right.
And I think I broke all the other critics in the room with it.
Good.
That moment happens.
And I was just so frustrated.
I was like, get there.
We have to be kidding to this thing.
And then it had, I'm not going to spoil it if you haven't seen it.
Like Adam Driver says a line that I went, and there it is.
Like I just couldn't help myself.
What kind, as, as a, as a producer, as a filmmaker.
Because I, as another one of my favorite questions to ask people because everybody answers it different.
What kind of films are you that are that you've seen that are coming down the pike.
What are you looking forward to watching?
Uh, you know, I, I was looking forward to watching this western, which a lot of people call it dying art.
I love my roots.
I grew up on westerns from my father who's, you know, I watched every spaghetti western.
And then you have like just masterpieces like that pecking ball out, you know, I love the wild bunch.
And um, so yeah, westerns.
Yeah, my, my friend, in fact, had called me that I was, and it was like, dude, they got the Vigo more than western.
So I was like, oh, yeah, you know, that's.
Did you, the one that was on Netflix a couple of years ago?
Um, the same guy that directed, uh, book of Clarence.
Oh, yeah, it's called the, um, no cheese.
I own the soundtrack.
Yeah, I think of this movie.
Uh, something dead, something.
It's got the word dead in it.
It also has the word dead.
It also has the word dead in it.
Yeah, I'm going to look it up real quick.
But since we brought up westerns, I have to ask.
Because anytime I get around someone who's a western family like me, favorite westerns.
Favorite westerns that may be other people don't think about.
No, I'm going to be very cliche.
Okay.
You know, I favorite westerns.
I would definitely already mentioned the wild bunch.
Yep.
You know, one of the best ever.
I love the, you know, the turn of the century facts and feeling with, you know,
the harder they fall.
The harder they fall.
That's what it was.
Yeah.
I love that film.
I bought the soundtrack because it was just, I love that mix that mix of like more
cone and like hip hop.
And he just had a book, a book called The Book of Clarence earlier this year.
That I absolutely love it.
But I'm a big western guy.
Yeah, so we have the outlaw Josie Wells.
Yes, the wild bunch.
We have sons of Katie Elder.
Uh, even even let's move forward some years.
Silverado.
So kind of forgiven.
And, uh, what's more recent?
I don't know.
Django.
Can you make?
Terentino's brilliant.
And he also did, uh, the hate flight.
Oh, oh, the hate full eight and Django.
I'd rank up there with, with, uh, peck and paw.
And he did this all of favor and put an intermission on it, which I appreciate it.
What, well, you know, Martin Scorsese.
I'm talking to you.
They have, uh, I love how it's a three or, it's like a three or four part actually
now if you go to watch the hate full eight.
I just, I love that movie and I just, I love that, you know, we're seeing, I hate to say
old becomes new.
Um, but I'm also a big who done it guy and seeing Kenneth Brauna doing the Agatha
Christie movies again, which I loved all three of them.
I just, he, I think he, he's of great.
And I just watched.
I was telling Mark.
I saw documentary the other night on Amazon.
That's, it's called who done it.
Three words.
And it's about the clue movie.
That was Tim, Tim Rob, Tim Curry.
Tim Curry.
Yeah.
And all those guys that apparently at one point.
Hey, you're getting off track.
We're talking Westerns.
All right.
So big hand for the little lady is one of my favorites.
My name is nobody like that one.
Oh, no, no, go ahead.
There's photo ops going.
Oh, that's, that's very cool.
No, I actually say, I actually say people need to take photos when we're doing this because we don't
ever have documentation that we're doing it.
But yeah, I love Westerns.
And I love seeing the fact that the Western is kind of making a bit of a comeback with Hollywood,
because it does seem like it was a little stagnant there for a while.
Or people just weren't giving them chances.
And so I was happy to see that.
So you're walking the carpet tomorrow night.
Are you?
Or Monday.
What is today?
Saturday.
Yeah.
I think it's Monday.
Okay, Monday.
All right.
Well, we're happy to have you join us beforehand.
What are you most looking forward to as just being here at the festival?
What is the best?
The thing that you're most excited about.
I'm just most excited about having opportunity and taxes for filmmaking.
Dallas and Diff are great.
You know, the film commission's great in relation to production and getting things done,
you know, especially in a state that's really lacking.
Yeah, we'd be better in some of this.
Yeah, but it's better.
I will say this production in Texas is growing like a weed.
And I love it.
Like every year we do Diff.
It's just it gets a little bigger, a little bigger.
And then we're finding more and more projects that are being done here.
I agree with the incentives.
We actually talk to the new commissioner about a month ago.
We had a media event with him and he recognizes that.
He's working with our state legislature to try to.
Because we have we have to be able to compete with California and Vancouver and North Carolina and Georgia.
Yeah, because there's so much great.
Like you're a location scout scout alone.
Like the fact that they filmed the chosen just on the other side of Fort Worth.
Like it tells you everything you need to know.
Shout out Rachel.
My friend Rachel loves that chair.
Um.
Is there anything coming like later this year?
That you've done.
Oh, I see.
I don't want to say anything.
I can't talk about it much but.
But yeah, we've been.
I've been shooting with Joe for the last few years.
So we've documented his journey even inside, you know,
and, you know, the journey.
It's it's chronicles the journey to set him free as well as what's been going on with him.
Inside and.
And, you know, so there's a new Tiger King.
So I have a 23rd season of cheaters with Peter guns.
That's just so crazy.
So I just got the high sign for you.
Yeah.
Before we let you go.
Tell everybody what they need.
We're just shame a self promotion.
Websites social media.
How can people get in touch with you?
Oh, yeah.
If you, if you want to look at.
Uh, my website is jtbarnetfilms.com.
Uh, that's just like it spelled.
B.A.R.
Any T.T.
F.I. L. M.S.
And, uh,
Most of my social is at jtbarnet 45.
We cannot thank you enough.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for joining us.
We appreciate you.
Jtbarnet.
Thank you.
But you guys didn't see that coming.
That's one thing about diff.
One thing you know about diff.
Nothing's for sure.
We have some great people joining us.
Don's over at the right carpet now.
We've already been doing this for almost an hour and 15 minutes.
This thing is flying.
Yeah.
It's flying.
Yeah.
We get guests coming in and out.
We've already been getting guests come in from the
house for almost an hour and a half.
It's not as good as the setting of our neighbor in the
house.
We can actually, to the extent of where I'm
almost disappointed we don't have longer with
them to talk, but it kind of shows you how crazy and
exciting things are, here at the Dauce International Film
Festival.
If you actually saw just to write the red carpet is going
on right now and there are filmmakers
glor.
There's so many filmmakers.
They're coming in the door.
They literally cant fit them on the red carpet.
we were just talking to.
Sure.
They announced this week, the cast of Wednesday just keeps growing.
Yeah.
They announced two weeks ago that Stevie Shemmy's joining as the principal of the school,
this week they announced Tandy Newton is going to be on season two of Wednesday.
Yeah.
I still haven't watched season one, but I haven't talked to anybody that didn't like
it.
Yeah.
So they've also talked to said that this actually was announced by the producers yesterday.
Season six of Cobra Kai will be the final season.
Yep.
And they, Billy Zapka said it right.
Yeah.
Williams.
Okay.
He put up a post of a letter from the producers where they basically said,
no, we said we were going to go out on our own.
We are saying this is the last season on we are saying this.
Netflix is not saying this.
We are going out on our own terms.
So I kind of have no problem with that.
Yeah.
That's another show I watched the first episode.
I liked it.
I just haven't gotten back around to it because more knows you and I don't have enough
to watch.
Yeah.
That's true.
I think we have been coming, but I'm not 100% sure this is like Don's, this is his thing.
Don does such an amazing job getting us guests.
I mean, you got to say Annabeth Gish.
Well, you got John land is the crash.
And while you were talking to the still here crew, I actually had a little chat with
Annabeth outside.
And there's a chance she may pop back in.
Oh, cool.
That would be awesome.
So we'll see.
But we got some more coming in right now.
There we go.
We did have John land is take over the podcast a few years ago.
It's pretty awesome.
Y'all come on in.
Come on in, come on in, come on in.
Come on in.
Come on all the way down.
I don't know how many people we got.
We got four, but three.
It's like they're playing rock paper scissors.
You asked us to sit down with you.
We've been squeezing.
I don't know how I feel about that.
Okay, okay.
If you won, then I feel better.
Yep.
All right.
Mark's going to step out.
You don't have to share it.
Are we sharing the seats?
Or we're not.
I don't know what's going on.
I never know what's going on in this podcast.
Oh, we can share it.
Okay.
That's what I'll need to do.
I mean, I can stand up too.
All right.
So let's just go down the line.
Tell us who you are.
Hello.
I'm Amber Lee Kulson.
I'm a co-director.
I'm Kelly Saul.
I'm the editor of PlayDate.
I'm Tracy Layman.
I'm one of the producers of PlayDate.
Okay.
So I don't have this one on my list.
I need you guys to tell me about this film.
Fantastic.
It's a short film.
It is about two mothers who reunite on the anniversary of a tragic school shooting in which one of their daughters survived.
The other one did not.
And the film is a glimpse into them forging this unexpected connection.
And going on a bit of a surprising reenactment of one of their daughter's last baby.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Has it shown yet or will it be shown?
It's a world premiere tonight at eight.
Tonight.
Tonight like in 45 minutes.
I'm going to.
Yes.
Okay.
So then I got to ask the question.
And tomorrow.
And it's been tomorrow.
But tonight's the premiere.
Yes.
How you feeling?
This is so exciting.
Audience.
We're going to ask you.
Oh.
I think I'm so excited.
I feel very emotional.
Honestly.
Get right up on that thing because they can't hear you otherwise.
Oh, this one.
Whichever one.
Whichever one you want.
This is America.
You have choices.
I feel super emotional about it because it's been a long journey to get this to fruition.
And I'm just so honored to be here and honored to have an audience and have our team recognized.
I'm very excited.
And emotional.
Yeah.
And I'm assuming you just got off the red carpet.
How was that experience for y'all?
Man.
That's supportive here.
Yeah.
That's what we do.
That's what we do.
Southern hospitality.
And well informed and various huge emotional questions.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
They're all amazing.
Are you doing Q and A's for both screens?
I mean, tonight's it got to be a given.
Yeah.
Are you going to be able to watch the film in there?
Because that's always the big thing.
It's like, I've seen this thing a thousand times.
But now I've got a room full of strangers.
I mean, that's like, I want to stand on the side.
So I can like squat when I need to recover my eyes or like,
strange.
I've been like a few months since I've seen it.
Yeah.
And it'll be nice to see it with an audience.
Oh, my god.
We've never seen it with an audience.
So I was thinking, like, can I sit in front and just watch to see people?
Yeah.
Have you seen it at theater?
Oh, I mean, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you've got a beautiful one right behind the violent crowns of beautiful facility.
And this is, I mean, we're here every year.
So this is actually our 10th year.
Actually, our 11th week.
I got to do math because I don't think we did that during.
We didn't do one during the pandemic.
Technically 10.
So we've been able to watch this festival grow in every year.
And it's always one of our favorite shows to do.
Especially when we have people come to town that are like,
we want a world premiere our movie at your festival.
We're going to have about Dallas brought you here beside me.
Of course, the movie did, but.
Hallelujah.
It's been nine years.
I'm a Texas native.
And I know James Fowl said, screen my, my personal story.
Yeah.
That's my dude.
That is my dad.
And I said, you got to take a look at this.
I hope producer.
These women are amazing.
They're, they're not only acting it.
They're directed.
They're just incredible.
And, and he knows what's up.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How many times?
Three times.
Yeah.
Three different.
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You turn 40, the wheels fall off.
Oh yeah.
I just turned 50, I don't know what's going on at this point.
We're here for you.
I told my wife last night, I was like, you know,
I did the math the other day, a couple more years.
Well, I've been together longer than we weren't.
And she looked at me and she's like, don't tell me those things.
Like, no, somebody has to hear them,
because I need them out of my head.
But so you got to see the growth of the festival too.
Yeah.
Talk about like this year versus some of the other ones you've been to.
Gosh, I mean, just get right up on the thing.
Get right up on that thing.
Get right up on that thing.
I'm so sorry.
I don't want to make you everybody can hear you.
Yeah, hi, everybody.
Got video going too.
I just every year it seems to get bigger and better, you know.
And I think that was ever saying that questions are curated people care.
You know, I think it's found it's screw.
You know, I'm really excited to be back.
Is that the same?
I'm sure I heard the question right.
Yeah, I just, I, you seen the growth of the festival.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And just to shout out to Tracy,
not she's on.
I see her just last month.
Yeah.
One, the grand jury prize and the audience award
Clip by Southwest for her first feature film.
Which was Bob Trevino likecent.
Okay.
And then all about shameless self promotion, I think show was found.
Did I.
So yeah.
And, you know, I wanted, I wish I could also be here with that.
It's, it's a longer road for that one.
But but I am so grateful to the Dallas International Foundation film.
Also because my Queetah would never have happened.
Without people like Dallas promoting my shorts.
You know, doing interviews like this and supporting filmmakers
like these.
Um, yeah, this is this festival's near and dear to my heart forever as filmmakers as people in film who inspires you
To one of my favorite things to ask filmmakers
Not necessarily influence, but who inspires you?
Who do you watch and go they get it right me most form in as a big one for me me those form and um also Albert Brooks
I've a weird sense of humor. Oh, I love him. That's such a fan
Salina
I really enjoy portrait of lady on fire and um and you're a ghost lamp the most I think creativity in that is
Boy, that film hit me was like, hey my nest one's ready. It was like, oh, I know I'm gonna throw away your ghost
I've just got the high signs so we have to let you guys go but before we go more shameless self promotion
Working people get in touch with you the film the websites the social media all of the things
Yeah, you can follow us on Instagram
Play date the film and we have a website play date the film and at Laura E. A Campbell at Emily. I have family underscore Colson
I'm at Tracy Layman films
I'm very excited for you guys. Thank you so much
Thank you. Play date is the film. It's it starts in 39 minutes
We have public school maps right there
I know I just and I hate that which is the worst part. Thank you guys so much
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You think we'd have that down by now. We got more people coming
Come on in y'all
We got seats. We got we got two headsets ahead phones between us unfortunately
All right, tell us who you are
Come on. You got to leave this one
My name is Martin Eden. This is Ian McNany. Yes, this is Joe Moralello and this we won the
Screenplay competition. Okay, we and we had a reading this morning. Oh, you had like a live reading
I read it in the theater. Yeah, what to tell us about the screenplay so it's based on the myth of Olivia
Mabel so if you know that if you've heard of that go on your phones Google
I'd encourage you to Google the name Olivia Mabel and you'll see she's a
Millions a millions of search results. There's 8.5 million YouTube videos on this this tick-tock mess podcast
Yeah, ready boards everybody talking about this mystery of this woman from Solana, Texas
It's a local story. Yeah, just north of where I live. I know where Solana is. Oh, so a woman from Solana, Texas
Who was found mysteriously dead in a ranch house in front of a weird kind of occult altar to a son
And then the the myth is that a son died on a on a pond and she resurrected a son through some
Occult magic on whatever she brought back killer
So that won the screenplay competition you had a live reading this morning in the theater. Did you guys get to pick who did the reading or no?
So the festival picked your readers. Yeah, it was an act in that word. Oh, the political Michelle Cheryl
Okay, a Cheryl act in studio obviously affiliate affiliate in the event. She directed it and she she must have passed it. I don't know who passed it
But I tell you why she did the great job. Yeah, what was it like watching a live reading of that screen, but because
You don't have visuals on a screen. It's people sitting at a table reading. I don't like how how what was that experience like it's good that you can feel the energy
You know, I mean and some of the actors were absolutely brilliant. You know, they're really nailed it. And it's just great to see this thing that's lived in my head
You know for like a year to hear somebody now saying the words and embodying the characters and being that person. Nice a great experience
Yeah, where's what's next for it? They're already given me the high sign. So I got to hurry. I got to get everything in quickly next is a movie
We're planning a movie
We are in development
Cool working people get a hold of you guys. I'm so sorry. They've already given me the two minutes.
Elf3media.com. Elf3media.com. Yeah, the Lf
Lf
Okay, media.com. Yeah, and they can sign up contact us. We'll get back to everybody with updates. And the other social media is you want to plug?
No, not a minute, but I would just Google Olivia Maybell. Yeah,
Yeah, M-A-Y-B-E-L M-A-B-E-L. Okay, and people want to start following a social media. We have Olivia Maybell movie on Instagram. Perfect.
But it's not pollinated deal with anything, but it will be.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Gentlemen, thank you so much. I'm so sorry.
Thanks for having us.
Thanks for having us. Thank you for stopping by.
The clubhouse podcast live from the Dallas International Festival. What's going on?
You sound amazing.
Not so many of their wives are waiting on them from dinner. I'm like, bro, you sound them down.
I'm just saying.
Y'all come on in. Come on all the way down. I don't bite and let's propose.
Welcome. How are you?
Speak right into that thing. Tell everybody who you are.
Hi, my name is Salam Salam.
And I'm a writer director of the movie The Wing Walker.
Ah, yes.
And who else do I have it?
Okay, it has going to Max or Snega. I'm a co-writer, co-star, an executive producer of The Wing Walker.
Hi, how are you?
I'm writing to that thing, right into it.
Hi, how are you? I'm Leslie Garza. And I have a supporting role in the movie.
And also, my daughter is playing.
Julian's daughter, which is a co-star.
Okay, tell us about the film. I'm trying to find it through your area.
The film is tells the story of a young widow where who gets deported two weeks before his daughter's heart transplant.
Oh, wow.
Hi, comedy.
I'm trying, again, a lot of math and tonight's show.
I'm not sure that's we're going to.
So I've got different perspectives here. What brought you guys to this film?
Well, initially, I launched when I met in LA about 15 years ago.
Became best friends. We had a very similar taste in movies.
I was a working actor. He was a director.
And there's one of those, you know, moments of like, let's create our own opportunities.
So we got together. He had an apartment in Hollywood.
And we started writing the movie and took about 10 years now to see it on the screen.
So it was a little tale of how long it takes, you know, how difficult it is to get a movie funded.
So we're excited to got done and we're here and we're really excited about it.
Has it happened yet? Or is it going to happen? I don't have the schedule on me.
Well, the good news is that it screens here at the Dallas International Film Festival tomorrow at 315.
Right behind us here at the bottom of the ground.
How many times has you shown it?
Two times prior to this, we were the opening film at the Chicago Latino Film Festival and nice to screenings there.
So loud screenings.
Of course.
Don't forget about that.
That's a whole doubt at the end of it.
Are the same butterflies still there?
Oh, yeah. You know, it's a great story.
For us, we fall in love with the script and the messages.
The story is just, yeah, every time you know because I watch it twice.
So I thought, no, maybe that's the second time you're going to do as you say.
It's not that exciting, but I found different perspective, different things.
And it's also having a different audience. Does that affect you too?
Because you're wondering if they're going to see the same beats at a previous.
How can you separate yourself from it? Or can you just sit down and enjoy the film?
Because that's what I love to talk to filmmakers about is about that process.
I have filmmakers are like, I can't watch the film because I see all the things that nobody else sees.
Or can you just sit there and enjoy the art for what it is?
Personally, I get to enjoy it. I really do. I think the first screening at the other festival.
I sat there without any other hat other than just an audience hat on.
And I experience it in a completely different way.
It was so much more impactful than sitting in the editing or seeing a version of the movie on a smaller screen.
I'm able to separate myself in that way. I'm happy about that because any work that I do, I'm able to see it and see it from a completely practical way.
Enjoy it or not enjoy it depending on the movie.
That might have just spoken for you.
No, I mean, look, honestly, even taking the filmmaker hat, you get a different hat.
You're looking at the screen. Is it bright enough? Is it dark enough if the sound was alright? If it wasn't.
Yeah, it's a little bit of a torture for me to watch the movie.
But honestly, the first time I was, I mean, I've seen it over a hundred times.
Oh, I'm sure by now. We saw it at the festival in the theater.
I still got the hat on, but I never experienced it with an audience before.
And it truly was like, people watching a soccer game or something.
And I think the reactions to me, I was just validating stuff in my head.
I thought that that was nobody was going to laugh about that, but they were laughing about it.
And so I think for the breakfast of like moments, I let loose.
And then I went back in it. It was a very busy role thing for me.
But I surely look at everything and I remember what parts I didn't think there were loud enough and stuff like that.
But I'm very looking forward to looking at it tomorrow because it will be my second time with an audience.
You talked about perspective. Yes.
When you watch it with different audiences, does that change your perspective too?
Because maybe they caught a beat that maybe you didn't or they didn't catch a beat.
You were hoping they would catch does that change your perspective?
Yeah, exactly. And I also was surprised because on that opening night at the end, we had some Sunday innovation.
It wasn't that full theater, but some people like, you know, just standing up and not planning it was so touching.
And as you said, on that second one, then you, you caught some people laughing at some other points or crying or to your neighbor.
Doing something different and it just, it is just beautiful.
How is the festival, this particular festival been for you guys?
We actually just got here today. Oh, wow.
What's the night three? So you got a point of time. So far so good. Everyone's been very lovely.
The accommodations are amazing. This is a great city. So just being here is really fun.
The weather held out a little bit. That was that was the big thing going.
I was like, I'm looking at my weather. I'm like, please don't rain. Please don't rain. Please don't rain.
Well, more often than not, we're outside.
But that's our need. I don't know. Like, you know, warning.
Yeah, my friend was like, I don't know. We're going to go.
Yeah, we saw, we saw the weather happen. I was like, hopefully they don't cancel the flight.
That's what I just, I just wrote trip anymore.
Because that way, well, especially like if we're taking the podcast on the road, because I got a haul of the gear.
I don't want to deal with all of that. And like if I'm going to Austin, it would take me longer to go to the airport.
Get through everything. Get to Austin. Get off the plane. It's a three hour drive.
And it's, it's all highway. So it's, it's easy.
But you know, I go to say that this festival is feels like different. Every every festival is different. And this one is just
Another feeling. And I like it. I like it. And I'm very thankful. So thank you for having us.
Thank you for being here. And I just got the high sign that we got to let you guys go. But before we do, we always end our time together.
What we call shameless self promotion. So look right at that camera. Tell everybody work and they get a hold of a film. Follow you on social media. The websites. Everything.
Yeah. So we have our official page. The wing Walker film on Instagram. You'll get all the information there of what festivals are coming up.
And what are just when we're going to distribute the film in theaters, which is hopefully at the end of the September here in the United States. And we open in Mexico in October.
It's called the wing Walker in place to Maro at 3315 right here at the Violet Crown. It's on the other side of this wall. You can't see it, but it's there. I promise.
Thank you guys so much for stopping down.
Oh, thank you. Have a great screening tomorrow. We're looking forward to hearing all about it.
Thank you for having us. Oh, you have a great evening. Thank you so much. We appreciate the time that we walk our guys.
I want to watch. I've actually booked tomorrow, but I'm going to see if I can get a screen early.
Thank you for sitting down. This is the clubhouse podcast. We are one stop shopper, all things sports entertainment pop culture.
Normally, pro wrestling, but we're putting that to the side tonight because it is. Oh, there's Mark bringing us the Dear Camp 86 poster.
Look at this piece of artwork right here.
I just want to point out. I just talked to the more the crew from Dear Camp 86.
And they were pointing out that this poster was actually produced by the same people that are doing a lot of the Disney posters now.
And like the poster from Napoleon, I'm not really sure what the company name is, but there's a reason why I said this is my favorite poster of the festival so far.
So I mean, it captures everything mid 80s.
Yeah, it's got that grainy look to and there's the truck.
Yeah, there's the truck we need to film after we have a little special guests. It's going to come in here and talk to us real quick.
I have said a million times I will say a million more.
There are two people in the history of this show.
That if we do not have those two people, this show is not what it is.
One of them is the very missed departed Gary Murray. Yes.
The other one is on the other side of Mark from where I am ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, can I do it?
There we go ladies and gentlemen, the wonderful, the incomparable Kelly Kitchens. Hello, my friend.
Get up on that microphone. You know how this works.
And we're going to see you in a couple of weeks, right?
Real hours coming up. Yes, it will.
We're three weeks away from the real hour film festival. Oh, my goodness. You know, it's one thing right after the other.
It's our busy season. It's how's the the show been going for you.
Oh, it's been going so great. So I did. I did the publicity for water wars.
And you had Philip guitar on. Yes, he did. Philip was really nice. A lot of energy. I like that guy.
So I mean, my gosh, this film is.
Okay, so a city girl right here does not pay attention to what is underneath the land that we live on.
And this, I mean, this, these ranges and farms in deep West Texas have a huge aquifer underneath them.
And oh my gosh, he does have a long to it. It is amazing. I really learned so much.
And he said it went really, really well. So it's good. And I don't know talk about the perfect festival to premiere it out.
Yeah, I know. And you know, it was the first film that was sold out at the.
Is that right. Congratulations. Well, and I don't know if you've caught it in the beginning, Kelly.
But I'm the guy that every day I look at my memory thread on Facebook.
Yeah, yeah.
It was 10 years ago last week we did this festival for the first time.
Really.
10 years ago.
And that was at the Angel Kay and they had the Chicago pizza original building there.
Yep.
And you had Glenn more shower.
Yeah, but we barely missed him. Yeah.
We were two ships passed.
But I mean, I met in years like we was on the show.
He was on the, he was never seen around here.
Yeah, he was. He never had him on.
We did have him on the year for bomb city.
Yeah, which I'm glad because Donna and I, Donna and I very rarely agree on film.
For both of us, that was our favorite film of the year.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, bomb city was in 17.
It sounds about right.
I want to say, yeah, maybe even 2016 because that was the same year.
That was the same year as we had Thompson.
Oh, yeah.
Because we had, we had him on one week and we had her on the following week.
Oh, that's so cool.
Yeah, that was a crazy year.
And I actually saw that the bomb city car.
It's all.
We're both film festival.
Family is over here.
This is so sweet.
We're getting to see everything.
And they're trying to pull Kelly away.
Yes.
Is that how it works that a film was?
Wouldn't be the first time Marks here, too.
I would see Marking forever in a day.
Yeah, Marks here.
Everybody's here.
The whole family's here.
Yeah.
Yes.
It's so important to point these people out.
Wendy Goldman right here in front of us.
Yeah.
Because if it wasn't for these people, none of this would be possible.
And when you run some of these people, they should be actually amazing.
She makes, they took a, you guys took a huge gamble on a bunch of shrubs.
Yeah.
And you know, it's 2012 when you, when you did video fast.
That was the first one.
The very first one.
The code.
At the Alamo Richardson.
If you're not referring to us,
he's referring to there was literally a video screen with a goat on it.
He's not, that's not an ego thing.
We're not to go on the ramp.
And that was a city of hate screening.
What's the, I think you know,
because the second year was, the second year,
the second year of video fest is when we watched the,
the Rolling Stone thing.
Yeah.
That was cool.
I think I think, I think Wendy's over here to tell us we're fired.
Okay.
Make a Wendy.
We'll be there.
That's the story on my wife.
They're all heading over to the screening.
Because the screening starting right now.
For.
Lots of them for ride, I believe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What a great crew of people tonight.
What was a great idea.
Yeah.
Don was on fire.
Oh, we're busy night.
We got going though.
I don't know that we've ever squeezed that many guests into an hour and a half.
Hey, do we want to do a great five minutes with Mark here or not?
Yes, let's do it.
Okay.
Mark.
This is a very important moment.
No, with this part.
Okay.
So.
Once a quarter.
Don gets this.
This is the AEW all elite crate.
This is one of those things.
It's a subscription thing.
Okay.
And they send you stuff.
Now, Alex is not here tonight.
But if there's something that we think Alex is like, we will hold.
Well, yes.
This is how it'll work.
Yeah, okay.
Screw that guy in here.
This is how it'll work.
We are.
You'll see.
I'll show this on camera.
This is the box is still sealed.
This is a well-oiled machine.
So don't know.
The reason I say that is that don doesn't even know what's in the crate.
Yeah.
We don't because they when they send it, they don't tell you.
Yeah.
It's a big surprise.
Yeah.
I love surprises.
So I will open the crate.
And I'm going to move my keyboard over here because this is very important.
No one will see what's in the crate before me.
Okay.
What we will do because Mark, you are our guest.
Yep.
You will have first rights to refusal.
Oh, it's a mess.
It's like a white elephant gift.
If you pass, it goes to Don.
Okay.
If Don.
I don't think Kelly's going to want to.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
If Don passes, then we will make the decision whether there is something we think Alex will want.
If Alex doesn't want it, it falls to me.
Okay.
Now, there's always two shirts.
Two shirts.
Yeah.
Two shirts.
Great.
Am I supposed to look or no?
Not yet.
Not yet.
Okay.
So the first shirt is part of the reason I hate going last.
Oh.
Because you want to.
Because it is my leader.
Oh, my god.
Am I supposed to look or no?
Look.
Oh.
It is sting.
Okay.
Mark.
Yes.
Are you interested?
No.
That has to rob.
I'm taking it and giving it to you.
We all know you want to rob.
That's the sting.
But I'm okay.
So the other shirt.
So it is a white elephant gift.
It is a white elephant gift.
So there is a person in AEW who has one of the greatest gimmicks I've seen in years.
Okay.
This will give it away to two people that watch.
She is your current women's champion.
Oh.
Now Kelly.
I believe this could be your favorite wrestler.
What?
Yes.
Her name.
It's timeless Tony Storm.
She's the pro wrestler.
Okay.
I'm posting the show.
I can already tell you I don't want it.
Her gimmick is.
She is basically Norma Desmond.
And whenever she's on camera, everything turns black and white.
And she, it's her whole bit.
It is one of the most brilliant gimmicks I've seen in years.
I love that you pulled in a classic film reference.
Yes, for me.
And even when she's on screen with somebody else, half the screen's black and right.
And the other half is color.
Yeah.
It's absolutely brilliant.
And I think you.
And she does the whole Norma Desmond style of delivery.
And in the baller, she has a baller.
She has a baller.
It says it'll be the milk.
I'm sure.
I'd like to be.
Mark.
I don't want it.
Done.
I'll pass the.
Is Kelly want the shirt.
Go for it.
I know I don't wear t-shirt.
Okay.
I will I will save this for Alex just in case.
Okay.
All right.
Those are all the shirts.
We also have a.
We have a lot of stuff in here.
Uh, we have a DVD in this one.
Oh, boy.
This one is the Kenny Omega paper.
Oh, collection.
Marks.
I don't know who that is.
Done.
It's either guy that made.
Ford loves Kenny.
It's either guy that made the Michael Jackson music concert film.
Oh, no way.
That's Kenny or Taga.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Fantastic.
Hey, Ford was Kenny Omega.
I'm very confused by one of the items in here.
Oh, I know what this is.
Okay.
We have a metal straw.
Okay.
So that you can drink your Jamie hate or hate rate.
Who has been off television for like six months.
I don't like steel straws.
I don't feel like you have to save it for me.
All right.
Well, the one to the fret.
We do.
I'm feeling you're going to hold on to a lot of that forever.
Yeah.
One of one of them.
I know we're holding on for it.
Yes.
Okay.
Two in a minute.
We have a mystery.
Okay.
Do you want it?
All right.
Why don't we open it?
What is it?
What is it?
It's a blind pack.
Yes.
It's a blind pack.
We don't know what's in it.
It could be one of six different things.
Interesting.
What we open on air and see you.
It doesn't have a we have to have scissors.
We'll do it next week.
What would that be?
Would that be?
Giving it away for somebody who might be waiting for it?
Oh.
No.
Mark's going to do it.
Let's see.
The pin.
Don.
Dark order.
You like the pins.
All right.
I'll keep the pins.
The sticker.
I am going to say Alex will love.
And you know how much I like the decals.
But this is well aspirated and it says,
Brove.
Oh gosh.
That's his bit.
Because he's British.
Okay.
So he refers to everything.
Okay.
I'm going to rest of you, brove.
Oh.
I thought it was a combo of bro and love.
So the guest not.
Is that supposed to be Christian Cage?
Look on the back.
I think it is.
Okay.
Is that a crack.
Yeah.
Scratch.
Box.
Treat.
I don't know what it is.
I don't want actually.
Yeah.
I don't want to say this for Alex.
Because I like Offspray.
Okay.
That one I do.
All right.
That's that over.
Okay.
Uh.
We have the actual microbroller.
Is one Prince Nana.
What is that?
He is a manager.
Oh.
The manager is the current AEW World Champion Swarve Strickland.
That happened Sunday.
I got to tell you.
I was having a really good time up until right about now.
That's why I'm burning through this calm down captain.
It's all downhill.
Yeah.
It's all been all downhill since six o'clock.
I like to know.
Okay.
All right.
We'll put that to you.
Okay.
Let's see.
We have a poster.
I don't know what the poster is.
Oh.
It's Orange Cassidy.
I think he would like Orange Cassidy.
I don't know his whole bit.
That looks like it.
He does a comedy that we're like when they introduce him.
He's like from wherever.
Waying.
Whatever.
I thought you were burning through this.
I am burning.
All right.
He has burning through.
Burn faster.
Burn faster.
I got you like Cassidy.
Right.
The award for Rudis guests.
We have a podcast.
You did say it was an hour and a half.
It is now been longer than an hour and a half.
I just want to point out the last item.
It's an autograph.
It's evil Uno.
All right.
All right.
Take it.
I just like autographs.
I don't know.
That's evil.
He's great.
He's a good Twitter follow because everything's in third person.
And it's hilarious.
Evil.
Evil Uno.
Yes.
Evil Uno.
Like the number one.
There you go.
He used to be in a tag team called the Super Smash Bros.
Where he was a player one.
And then Nintendo was like, hey, probably don't do that.
Good night, everybody.
Yeah.
All right.
Kelly.
We love you.
Thanks for coming on.
Yeah.
Kelly just got back from the TCM Festival.
Yeah.
How many years in a row?
15.
Wow.
We've been going 15.
I am so jealous.
No, I am.
Seriously.
How many?
12.
2010.
What was the highlight this year for you?
Oh, my gosh.
Okay.
So the highlight you guys would all love this was, well, several things.
But the one I can think of off the top of my head is, I'm sure I don't have to say.
Do you know who Benbert is?
Oh, my god.
Really?
Do you know who you're sitting around?
Greg Baron is.
Who Craig Baron?
I know the name.
I don't know the name.
Okay.
So Benbert.
He is a sound designer for Lucasfilm Academy Award winner.
He's done a couple of things.
He created the sound of the lightsaber and the tie fighter and all that stuff.
Yes.
And Darth Vader.
He's the voice of Wally.
He's.
Yeah.
And he.
Okay.
And so him and Craig Baron, their friends.
They say a visual effects guy.
So what they do is they do these archaeological digs basically where they go in and they look for things.
They look for behind the scenes footage.
They look for, you know, ways that they can bring out what the sound effects and the visual effects are in a particular film.
This film that they chose for this year.
Ben.
Oh, no.
Oh, wow.
Wow.
Yes.
Oh, my god.
He had behind the scenes footage of the aunt.
Oh, my god.
8 feet to 12 feet long ants.
Who knows who they don't know them is a classic giant killer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The beginning.
Yeah.
You know, was five at the time.
She's now 70 something.
And she had her mother took behind the scenes.
Super 8.
Oh, no way.
That's great.
The video film.
And so they showed that.
Oh, my gosh.
It was so cool.
So that did.
I'm sure you probably, this was probably one of the first things they talked about.
The sound effect when the ants would show up.
Yes.
What was that?
What was that mark?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wasn't going to listen.
I was not told I'd be fielding questions tonight.
I was told there was being a mouth.
Oh, no.
We've had plenty of maps tonight.
Well, well, but we have seen.
Okay.
So we saw them do the adventures of Robin Hood.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sarah Flynn.
And what they did.
Oh, my gosh.
Was they went.
So Ben and his team went to a bunch of different places and shot off arrows.
Yeah.
You see where they got the sound for the arrows that.
And he found it.
Wow.
And he was like able to reproduce it.
Oh, my God.
It was amazing.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
These guys, I want to bring them to town.
So bad.
I want to bring them to town.
I'd love to bring them to town.
I don't know why Film Festival, which is it came from Texas Film Festival.
In September.
September 13th, 14th and 15th.
But they won't be.
They won't come for that.
And we'll have to sit down.
We'll have to sit down with us.
That would be awesome.
I would be awesome.
I would be awesome.
Anyway.
So yeah.
That was probably our top.
The calls of the bird voice.
Oh, I lost it.
But they also love.
We love the presentations.
The Videphone presentation was amazing.
Where they had film and the old Videphones.
And they were.
They think to map.
So how did they make the ants sound in them?
The calls of the bird voice tree frogs mixed together with the calls of a wood thrush.
Hooded warbler and red belly woodpecker.
Yes.
That tree frog.
Like you do.
God bless the magic box.
I know.
That's amazing.
Anyway.
So yeah.
So live live accompaniment with with silent films with been modell.
It's when we're friends.
They may be looking for their poster.
We have their poster.
Oh.
Hey guys.
We have your poster.
Mark stole your poster.
We were using your poster for the podcast.
I apologize.
Haha.
Hey.
It's extra promotion.
And now criminal charges.
Anyway.
So yeah.
We love.
We love things.
You can only see at film festivals.
Yes.
Why were you?
Well, and finding out how they make movies.
I'm never not fascinated.
Oh, yeah.
Mark.
Mark and I met at a film festival.
We met at the last detail.
We met at the last film festival.
And so I always say that his fouls were to love honor and volunteer.
Because she had that written in more.
He says yes.
She had that written into the vase.
Because he was my ball.
He was my ball in here.
And I'm sorry.
Deep Ellen film festival.
Then became AFI.
That was which then became Dallas International Film Festival.
Which is where we're at today.
I was so enrobbing.
I go back to those deep Ellen days.
And I never was not.
I never felt like I always felt welcome.
Yes.
You know, that's the one thing about this festival.
You always feel like you're really welcome.
Like they want you here.
Yeah.
You matter here.
Yeah.
You're not just another number on the list.
You know, everybody matters.
Everybody gets their moment to shine.
And I love that about to.
Yeah.
And they're not paying me.
I'm just saying that to say.
Allegedly.
Yeah.
Thank God.
Anything else we want to cover?
We're going to wrap this thing up.
No, I think that's it.
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It feels like it.
That's what you told me.
So that's what I'm going with.
No, I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
I feel it.
That was 2000.
Yeah.
Which you should've waited nine years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I don't collect.
Kelly.
I'm a good approach.
Yes.
Okay.
The best way to find me is actually on link tree.
So it's link.
L. I.
K. T. R.
Dot G.
Flash Kelly Kichens PR and I have all of my list there.
And that's really your coast.
It might.
I say to any aspiring filmmakers out there or people that were even on the show's
that we're even on the show tonight.
If you're looking for someone to do your PR right here.
Kelly Kitschins is the one you want to talk to.
Yep.
Yep.
Don't go.
In a Twitter ometic boo.
I'd you mean if you want this man to see your place like right now.
Email me.
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