iTunes Exclusive Episode Hands Of Stone

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My name is Rob.
I'm the executive producer of the clubhouse podcast and if you know anything about me,
you know, a big fan of boxing always have been.
But I'm not alone for this particular episode, the 232nd one of these, somewhere in that
neighborhood.
Joining me across the desk as he tends to do is my co-host.
And a man that, uh, I watch a little boxing on you if you let him.
He is chat.
Welcome, sir.
Are you doing?
And I.
Whenever we do one of these things, it is to review something today's no exception.
Today we are reviewing the first feature length film from director, writer, and producer
Jonathan Jakubowitz.
Boy, I hope I got that right.
Jakubowitz.
Jakubowitz.
I know how she would pronounce that.
It is called Hands of Stone.
It is the story of a part of the story.
Is it a documentary about a, certainly, certainly film critic in Austin?
It is also not about Ron Garvin.
Ron Garvin.
Yeah, from the NWA days, his head, he was, Ron, either hands of Stone Garvin.
Oh, okay, okay.
First we all start by thanking our friends from Allad in a great marketing.
For having us out for this particular screening, Josh and the crew out there did a great
job.
We do love those folks.
Packed house for this deal, sir.
Packed house for this deal.
Oh, it's, it's got that kind of an appeal.
Playing the aforementioned Roberto Durran is one Edgar Ramirez.
Why don't we know that name?
Well, you should know that name, sir.
Yes, I should.
I feel like I'm going to smack myself that I've done immediately.
He played the, the husband.
If you remember from Joey.
Yes.
Okay.
He's also in wrath of the Titans.
He played Aries.
And I'm trying to forget that.
He was also, also, also, in the forgettable, the counselor.
Zero Dark 30s on his resume.
He played, he was in part one of the Che, two parties, he was in the Boran ultimatum.
Same like there's something really big he was involved in that I just, that's why
the name is jumping out at me.
It opens with Roberto Durran, fighting in Madison Square Garden for the first time.
Uh, hanging out with his mentor.
Let me get, get the actual name.
Because I don't want to screw this up.
Carlos, it lights up.
Played by the great Rubin' Blades.
Well, you know I'm a huge fan of.
I still say you're saying his name.
No, I've heard it said that way, sir.
I've heard it said the other way for heaters.
But it's, it's probably good either way.
You'd say blades if you want to.
But I've heard Blades and I'm going with Blades.
Okay.
In the, in the, in the audience is Ray, our cell, one of the great boxing trainers of all
time played by Robert De Niro.
Okay.
But it trained a little bit.
It's a little bit.
That's the only De Niro I've got.
Uh, it's convincing though.
But the problem is, our cell has been out of boxing for years because about 10 years ago,
he may be crossing guys that maybe might can be controlling certain things in New York City
if you know what I mean.
Uh, one of whom played by the great John Tutoro playing Frankie Carbo.
Oh, we got a pretty good kiss.
Oh, I'm not done yet, sir.
So basically, he makes, he makes a deal with them because he's trying to take boxing nationwide
and, and certain families want everything to go through New York.
Hmm.
So he makes a deal that they will not shuffle him from this moral coil.
If he degree, if he agrees to never make a dime off of boxing again.
So what he does is he trains Roberto Durran for free.
Thus circumventing the deal, which does get addressed in the film.
Okay.
Also involved in this deal, playing his wife Stephanie is Ellen Barkin.
Good.
Wow, man.
Also, you have, for, for more than once this has happened, playing his daughter,
playing De Niro's daughter.
It's his real life daughter.
Uh, drain it, drain it, drain it, De Niro.
Playing, because we do address the, the two, two of the three sugar rate fights.
Once it happened back to back.
Do you remember who's playing sugar rate Leonard in the steel?
No.
The Ercher?
No.
Seriously.
Ercher is playing sugar rate Leonard.
Really?
Although labeled as Ercher, Raymond the fourth.
On the poster.
Has he acted before this?
I mean, he's like in a, like, in a mainstream film.
Uh, so let me double check.
But no, he's got some skins on the wall from an acting standpoint.
Like in a dramatic role, because I figured it was probably stuff like, you know,
some teleperi, uh, material here and there.
Like small parts.
Because that's, that's a pretty iconic role to put on, on his shoulders.
If he hasn't really.
Oh, we are going to address that here in a little while.
Uh, oh.
But also you have playing, okay, sir.
So here's his acting resume.
He was in Muppet's most wanted as the usher.
See what they did there?
Yeah.
Um, let's see.
He was, he did scary movie five.
He had, he had a movie that he released called In the Mix, which was kind of a tie into an album.
He did three episodes of Soul Food.
Did a couple of episodes of seven, heaven.
Oh, I forgot about that.
In American Dreams, he played Marvin Gaye in the series.
Okay.
So he's done some stuff.
Twilight Zone, Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
Um, but he's done, I don't think anything on this level.
Yeah, that's, that's what I mean.
And you know, nothing on, on such a grand scale.
But playing his girlfriend, then wife Felicidad Iglesias is on a day armist.
Does this name mean anything to you?
No.
Uh, she is going to be in the Blade Runner sequel.
Oh.
She was in the key in our reviews film Knock Knock last year.
Do you remember that?
I did not realize this.
What's that?
I didn't realize he was from Dallas.
Urcher is?
Oh, a week after my birthday, October 14th, 1978.
Dallas, Texas.
Fair enough.
Had no clue.
And that the armist also currently being featured in War Dogs.
As well.
Okay.
Which I saw at the night before we recorded this on my own.
They'll be a written review up for that at www.theclubhousepodcast.com.
Ben is our website.
Thank you for filling in for Donald that.
You're very welcome.
Okay.
So we've got the groundwork late.
I said in my written review, which is at www.theclubhousepodcast.com.
That is still our website.
Whenever you're doing a biopic or a true sports movie, there are certain suspensions of
disbelief that you have to have.
Right.
And the example that I gave is Friday night lights, which the ending of that totally screwed
it up.
Okay.
Because it wasn't the state finals.
It was the state semi finals.
It was not where they said it was.
It was in a different city.
There are some things in here that you of course have to accept because you have to
add drama to certain things.
Right.
I don't know how I'm weakening a little bit.
I don't know how much drama you have to add to Roberto Duran's life.
Because this guy's done some things.
But they do.
They address it.
Interestingly for me, they address it from multiple angles.
They address the boxing because after he meets Dineros character and he has
he has an anti-American thing going on.
Who?
Dineros?
No.
Roberto Duran.
Which they actually do explain right after that.
Because he's like, you know, I don't want him to American train me.
And our still goes there enough.
I'm out.
Later.
Call me for me.
You even made the Dineros face when you said that.
You do his expressions better than you do his voice.
But you know.
And so once they do that, they go back and they talk about his childhood and how he grew up
and the trainers that he had and things like that.
Right.
Roberto Duran.
Not normal.
Let's just say it.
Like, if you don't know about Roberto Duran, he's got a little crazy at him.
Yeah.
And I'm not sure I'd say a little.
You're being generous.
But I think the story's kind of told well.
But there are certain.
It's kind of like, and I've used this analogy before.
An idiot going through a blinking red light.
It's very.
Room.
Room.
And not even really in the right places.
It has no real momentum.
It's just you.
Well, you think it's really going.
It's mostly about Duran and our cell.
But at a one point, you feel like it might be more about Duran and Leonard.
But then things get kind of weird and they move kind of fast.
Because it's really marketed as all about Duran and Leonard.
It's really not.
Wow.
That's only maybe half of the film.
Oh, gosh.
That's kind of a turn off for me.
So it's.
But it shouldn't be a turn off.
It's just, again, it's mismarked it.
Well, because I'm much more interested in the life of Leonard than him, the life of Duran.
Even though Duran did have it really interesting question about life.
Well, and there's part of it where we were I was with myself.
It was the king of bowling.
Andrew Beckham was with us.
Right.
And for into the show, Kevin Daniels from the movie brothers.
You can check them out at the movie brothers BRUTHAS.com.
Yeah.
One of the way as the day we record this, his broadcast partner.
And is on his way back from Rio.
So we're looking forward to having a report from him.
We're happy.
Maybe on the show.
We're going to try to get him on the show.
Excellent.
To have to do that on our Sunday shows.
But there was, there's one little part of this that made this kind of go.
When he meets his wife Felicia Dodd, who's neat means happiness.
Okay.
That makes sense.
Like he's just cruising down the street.
And she's like in a school girl uniform.
So we're thinking she's still in high school at this point.
Get a little weird for me.
Where, where are they?
Panama.
Okay.
Panama.
Maybe she's.
Because they deal.
They also deal with.
What a lot.
But I didn't realize.
I learned from the film is really how much the politics of Panama.
Really influenced who he was.
Because it deals with Panama wanting to own the canal.
And the struggles they're in.
And there's a really great scene between him and his wife when Reagan and the general sign the treaty.
Where they're like, yeah, the, the canal wants the Panama.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And she stops him and she's like, what do you do it?
I do not read.
You realize that this treaty means we don't get the canal until 1999.
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer of this guy.
He always sees her as just as pretty face who's the mother of his children.
And I also didn't know that he has kind of a George Foreman thing going on.
We're like all but one of his kids are named Roberto Durran.
Oh, I thought maybe you made him created a cooking.
No, no, no, no.
No.
But he, he was also glad that it was never about the money.
So you see about him giving away all this money and things like that.
And the ups and downs.
And after he beats Leonard, then they do the, the rematch like not even six months later.
And they have like 60 days notice for the rematch.
Because Ruben Blatt is his character who's kind of the, the money behind everything.
He just goes ahead.
He goes to a party at Roberto Durran's house says we got to tell these people something.
And he kind of have hardly says whatever.
Well, then they go inside the contract.
And he has to lose like 70 pounds in eight weeks to make weight could learn.
And so they try to get the fight pushed back and Don King's light.
Look, I'm going to hold you and reach a contract.
Now, let's talk about Don King.
Yeah, that's I was clicking on who was playing him.
Don King played by Reg E. Kathy, who I am a huge fan of.
Oh, yes, this guy.
Oh, huge, huge fan of this guy.
He's greatness.
Here's the problem.
When you're known voice sounds like this and you're trying to play Don King.
It doesn't quite work very well for me.
I mean, yeah, he was in one of the worst films of the year last year.
But we'll have to give him a pass on that one.
This just, this didn't work for me.
This part did not work for me at all.
And I'm a, and it hurt me because I love this guy.
But I mean, you're going to turn down and offer.
I don't see how you can.
The work with Dinearo?
No, no, no, no.
If for no other reason, you know, you and Ruben Lysen the same scene.
Yeah, no joke.
That was a little weird for me.
The Ercher.
Knowing the Ercher in the mannerisms in which I do.
Like, he could handle the cockiness of sugary Leonard.
Let's just say it.
But as I was watching the film,
it was Ercher in an Afro.
Like, that's what it was for.
Okay, that's that was going to be my next question for you.
I never, you could not see, I sure.
Yeah, I couldn't separate.
Yeah.
That's, that's kind of what I was afraid of with this.
And it wasn't, it didn't take me out of the film.
But it didn't necessarily enhance the film for me.
It didn't, it didn't sell you on the illusion that he was sugary Leonard.
It felt like it was usher in a sugar race suit,
dressed as sugary Leonard at a costume party.
He just couldn't get his usher in this out of the way.
Yeah.
And again, this is a difficult film for me to review because I'm such a fan of boxing.
As am I, that I'm going to hold this to a very high standard.
Well, how much boxing did you get?
There isn't a little bit, you know?
I mean, it's, and it shot well.
It's not the greatest boxing footage I've ever seen on film.
But it shot well enough for me to say this doesn't look like crap.
Well, like, just based on read, like, I can't recall.
Have you, I have you, you're not seeing Creed.
I have not, but I've got sets of record on my DVR because it's on ethics right now.
But you've seen that.
You know, I've heard that.
I've heard people say that.
I'm just rethink this film in your head and say, you know,
because the boxing scenes and that thing are pretty astounding.
Well, and then, you know, you also remember when you talk about MMA and we wouldn't saw warrior,
which I think is an incredibly highly underrated film.
The fight sequence is an utter amazing.
Well, okay, South Paul. South Paul very, very good.
Right. Fight scenes and that are very well.
Yes.
Very well choreographed.
This is, this is shot pretty good.
It's not exactly a ringing endorsement.
I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that it knocked my socks off.
But it was, it was well enough for me to not go.
You know.
But if you're going to put it together a list of the top 10 greatest boxing films of all time,
this ain't not.
This ain't going to be honest.
One of it stars is in another film that I would fit on it.
Which way?
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The soon when you're not talking about the one he did was told, oh.
That was a fun movie.
It wasn't a great movie, but it was a fun film.
Because that movie had no reason not to have great boxing scenes in it.
But well, when they were both in their early millions.
Yeah.
It does.
And where they kind of go to do it by Kevin Hart.
And that's pretty much all you need to know.
Like I get in shot beautifully.
I mean, obviously,
D'Niro and Ramirez really got, and they worked very well together.
Let me just say that.
So well with, uh,
Jackowitz.
I know I'm close to this guy's last name.
They're doing another film together.
It's an untitled project right now.
But they're doing another film together.
Well, D'Niro, you know, got less D'Niro.
My hat's off to D'Niro because he's been doing these smaller films with these lesser known,
or, I mean, they're, they're,
Oh, what's his name from silver linings, playbook and.
You over the Russell.
Yeah.
You know, that, I mean, he's kind of helped.
If anything, I think just D'Niro's credibility is kind of helped.
Build Russell's credibility.
And the cast that he's assembled.
So I guess maybe D'Niro likes working with particular directors.
And they feel like he enhances them.
And they enhance it.
D'Niro's at the point of his career that I think very few actors of his
Elk much less his generation.
Get to.
Where he's like, you know what?
You know what you're going to get from me.
Yeah.
I'm, I'm Robert D'Niro.
Let's just, let's call it what it is.
And he's not really trying to be the showcase.
No.
But I think he's at the career, at the point in his career,
where he can go, you know, what I can take these smaller roles.
So I can help out this next generation.
And I'm cool with it.
Yeah.
He's still Robert D'Niro.
Yeah.
Well, but, you know, by the same token like Nicholson's pretty much done.
You really don't see him anymore.
And you've seen some of the output that Bachino's done in the last several years.
And it kind of makes you cringe.
Now granted, he's taken some bad projects on of his own.
Rocking boy.
But that was 25 years.
But still, you know, it was beneath him.
You know, and, and stuff like this,
it's not like, I don't think he looks at it like it's beneath him.
And he, and he looks at it as more than just,
I'm just taking a paycheck that he's actually trying to bring
some credibility to the project.
And does.
And, and that's why I'm saying God bless the man.
And he doesn't, he doesn't really mail it in.
And he, because God knows he could.
He doesn't have to do this.
He doesn't have to do this.
So I really admire the man for doing this.
Again, I, I didn't walk out of fear going.
That was amazing.
But I didn't walk out of that theater going.
I mean, better night of cups.
Let's put it out there.
Oh, that ain't singing.
I will say that the obligatory,
Ersher, Ruben Blade's song over the end credits.
No.
Was absolutely in the immortal words of Sir Charles.
It was terrible.
Like, it, the way I put it in my written review.
It was like he wanted to do our Kelly's The Greatest From Alley
without doing our Kelly's The Greatest From Alley.
And it, it succeeds on neither level.
Wow.
I, I challenge you to just cue this up later and listen to it.
So you can go.
The hell?
Harkening back to an old clubhouse podcast feature.
Come again.
Yeah.
I think he's going to make you want to say come again.
Because I'm sitting there and I'm looking at Kevin and Kevin's looking at me.
And we're both.
Did y'all know who was doing it at the time?
Or did y'all see it come up in the script?
Oh, no.
There's no doubt it's his voice.
Okay.
But I'm looking at Kevin.
Kevin's looking at me.
We're both like, is this, is this happening?
Can we just, am I dreaming?
Can we just cue if you got it bad and walk out of here on a high note?
Or at least, you know, you don't go up beat.
You can play a, you don't have to call something.
Because I enjoy the work of the earth.
Always have been a fan.
But it doesn't fit in this,
mmm.
Somewhere at the end of this film, somewhere John Legend is going.
I could have done better for you.
I've got an Oscar.
I've got an Oscar.
I could have helped you.
And I was like, but wait, I discovered shit.
Nevermind.
I'll keep a mouse.
But you know what, there's your silver lining.
At least the beaver wasn't involved.
That's true.
Alright, I think we're ready to put some.
So you're final analysis.
Final analysis, the way we do it on the shows.
We don't give you thumbs-up thumbs down.
We're not going to give you letters, numbers, whatever.
You know, smiley face, emojis, whatever.
We do things a little bit differently because our audience,
whom we affectionately refer to as the empire.
They want us to go deeper.
We're going to go deeper.
Two questions.
Question number.
What is what I see this again?
The answer is no.
We're done here.
Yes.
Then we have kind of a cookie follow-up question.
We have a spectrum that we work with.
To show you how much we enjoyed the film if we see it again.
Top to bottom here at the levels.
Full price at the theater.
Maybe below that, maybe a twilight.
Maybe we go down to a, to a matinee.
Maybe we go down to early morning.
We go down to a second run at the dollar theater.
We go down to red box from there.
We go back to Netflix from there.
We go on to cable.
Would I see this film again?
Yes.
But just on this side of underdress.
So again, not exactly our ringing indoors.
I will say this again.
Better than night of cups.
Better than weiner dot.
Oh God.
Okay.
Better than the neon demon.
And I've seen one of those and have noticed that right now at this point.
At almost the end of August is still your metal stand for worst of the year.
That's your art of war for interrupts.
You know what?
We might have a new standard to go by.
Wow.
Really.
But this film, I would say if I was home.
And it was on cable.
And I cleared out the DVR.
And it was all the yard works done.
All the laundry's folded.
And there's nothing else on it.
Why not?
Maybe there's something I missed.
Yeah.
You know?
I don't know that I...
You wouldn't go out of your way.
I definitely wouldn't go out of my way.
But I also wouldn't avoid it.
Yeah.
So God not that.
Not that.
The trigger finger on the remote would be a little slower.
I can use you all.
Again, night of cups.
Click.
But it's more like.
Knit click.
That's not even...
We're not even getting to the eye.
You're getting to the...
The second half of the inn.
We're showing the silent K.
Again, it is hands of stone.
We want to say thank you to our friends.
I lied in.
Great marketing.
I'm telling you.
This jungle's going to stick.
Come hell or high water.
They're going to stick it down your throat.
Or there's going to be a restraining wall.
Think of the two things that's going to happen.
That's a greater possibility of happening than it's sticking.
Directed by Jonathan Jacobowitz.
Dinero.
On a day armist.
Edgar Ramirez.
Hunters in the background.
Do you have anything else going on?
Do it.
Voice over work.
Yes.
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