iTunes Exclusive Episode Sin City A Dame To Kill For

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Joining me across the desk, as he tends to do, is a man who really doesn't understand why Clive Open wasn't in this film.
He is also one of the producers of the show he is my broadcast partner.
He is Chad Welcome sir.
Among a few other actors that I'll get to later.
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He is Andrew Beckham.
Welcome back to the show sir.
Thank you.
It's good to have you here.
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I still don't understand why you don't like that place though.
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So let's talk about this movie.
Sin City, a game to kill for the second installment in the Sin City series.
Based on the series of graphic novels written by the great Frank Miller.
Really this is three of the stories in it.
Just as in the first one there are multiple storylines in this one.
There's multiple storylines because the concept of Sin City is an anthology series.
One of them was never published apparently.
Oh really?
I'm not sure which one it was but I was reading up on and said one of these was an unpublished story.
Fair enough.
Was that what you didn't have enough to choose from?
The cast of this movie.
Basically it's like the WWE in the early 2000s.
If you're not in this then there's something wrong with you.
Just like then if you didn't have a belt there was something wrong with you.
But let's run it down for you.
Thank you, Roark.
Jessica Alba.
Josh Brolin.
Joseph Gordon-Levit.
Rosario Dalson.
Bruce Willis.
Eva Green.
Power's booth.
Dennis Hayesbear.
But Ray Leode.
Chris Maloney.
Jeremy Piven.
Christopher Lloyd.
Jamie King.
Juno Temple.
She was with us.
Couldn't figure out who she was and I realized.
It's like oh that's that is.
Stacy Keech.
Jamie Chung.
I'm going to leave the.
The cameo that I didn't know was in here out of it.
Alexa Vega is in this because she's now become.
I guess the muse of Robert Rodriguez.
Alexa Payle Vega, which apparently is her.
That's her married name now.
She married him in January 2014.
That is his last name.
So she'll have to change it much.
Muscle top to those kids.
Basically it's film noir.
I mean what else do you need to know?
It's three stories that all wind together in one way or another.
That all centers around a gentleman's club in Sin City.
There's also called Basin City, but people block out the first two letters.
It is another Frank Miller production put into film.
But not every Frank Miller production put into film that he has as much to do with
as he does really in Sin City.
But let's start with the fact that he and Robert Rodriguez co-directed it.
Because Robert Rodriguez likes working with Frank Miller.
But let's start with the story itself.
Chad, what did you think of the way the story was told in the film?
It's going to flow some people if they've never read the books and they've only
fallen in love with this series by watching the first film.
It's going to confuse the snott out of them.
Because two of these stories are prequels to the first film.
So you're going to see characters that you really wouldn't expect to see because
there's story pretty much wrapped up in the first film, at least so you thought.
So it feels a little disjointed just from for the uninitiated for those again
that are not familiar with the narrative of just going by the graphic novel.
And the middle story is the title story.
Right.
Dawn?
First of all, again, we got to think everybody that out like our best friend.
Our best friend is in the world.
We love them.
Thanks for inviting us to that.
The story line.
I really like it because I did see the first one.
But not really into the comic books like Chad May have said.
I'm one of those guys who just got into through the first film more than anything.
I really didn't find it confusing when I realized what they were doing.
I like the storyline.
How if you saw the first one part of the movies in the past.
Part of the movies in the future.
I really like that technique of doing that.
You don't see that very much.
Or it's not sold linearly.
Yes, exactly.
I liked how they jumped around and everything like that.
storyline.
It's just kind of like the first.
It's your basic.
What shoot them out.
Let's have some fun.
Let's have some gore.
Let's do.
It's just mayhem.
Which I really enjoyed.
Andrew.
I also enjoyed the two of the three stories.
There's one.
I felt.
I just thought it was really rushed.
Which one?
The Gordon Levitt one.
Okay.
Okay.
Jordan Levitt story.
That story.
It's felt rushed.
I didn't really care for it.
But it built up for the, you know, the whole work thing.
So I understand the point of it.
But other than that, I love it.
Because you know what you're getting out of it.
You know what you're going in there and you're like,
Okay.
This is what I'm going to see.
For me.
Telling multiple story arcs within a film tends to be a very risky proposition.
Because you don't, you don't always get it right.
You know, there's an art form to it of knowing how to maneuver through multiple
story arcs, make them work together without spending too much time on one story arc
and forgetting about another.
I thought it was done very well personally.
I thought it was a very well shot film as well with Miller and Rodriguez.
And I think as much as I believe that Frank Miller's story telling from graphic
novels translates very well to screen.
For me, he has to be deeply involved in order for it to work correctly.
And I think him and the director's chair win its his material works well.
What could you be referencing there, Rob?
I don't want to say any names, but it's initials are the spirit.
I get looks great.
But yeah, that was all style over substance.
Exactly.
But I thought that he and Rodriguez worked very well together.
I think, you know, having worked together before on the first in city film,
they already had that rapport.
And I think that Rodriguez already knew where Frank Miller wanted to go with the story.
And I thought they did a very good job.
Direction from you, Chad.
Well, with the only thing that was that kind of bummed me out about this.
Now, no, he wasn't that involved in the first.
It was only like one scene of one story that there was no Tarantino involvement
in this one because there was involvement in the Jackie Boy scene in the car
in the first city that was pretty much all Tarantino.
And I love it when those two guys worked together.
It's those two guys get each other better than just about any other directors
that have a contemporary.
You know, it's like they were born to work together.
And in my opinion, they can never work together enough.
I would have liked to have seen Tarantino get his hands in this a little bit.
Andrew.
No, I don't want to see Tarantino's hands in this.
I mean, yeah, Rodriguez and Miller work well together.
Why throw anything else in there that's going to mess it up.
You got something that you see his goal.
Keep it that way.
It's fair point.
Don.
I really like the direction on this thing.
Like I said about earlier, how about they went back and forth in the head
and passed the time, which is kind of, you know, not in the Norman movies today.
The direction on the look of everything I love because basically, yes,
mostly black and white, but they add some color in certain scenes and stuff like that.
And the thing I really enjoy, to me, it's like a comic book coming to film.
You know, not a cartoon, not a real life person.
But basically, they're putting a comic book onto the screen,
which I really enjoyed on that.
Okay, and then that's what Frank Miller does.
His visuals, I thought, worked very, very well on this.
Being a Frank Miller fan as much as I am.
Some of it looked like it was just right out of a book on the screen, which, which,
I guess it his work translates very well.
And it seems like he's the only one that, I mean, you literally, like, if you watch 300,
watch the first in city, you can open that book up and pause a certain frame.
And it's verbatim.
I mean, it's, it's a carbon copy.
It's frightening.
How well they're able to translate that thing.
It's the entire environment.
You just, you feel like you are there.
Mm-hmm.
And you are that character, or right there beside her.
You're in that alley.
And we saw it in 3D, which I think helped to the 3D with the black and white,
I thought worked really, really well with some very odd glasses.
I've never seen or used them.
Those were those were Dolby glasses.
Mm-hmm.
I'm nice.
Okay.
I don't realize that my glasses need noise reduction.
But okay.
But I thought the 3D, I mean, you know, we've heard from friends of the show that,
to say, 3D is never made a story better.
But I really felt the 3D was used very well in this film.
3D will make the experience better.
Especially in this film.
You feel like you need to take a shower when you're talking.
Uh, in a good way.
And for a good reason.
Visually, absolutely gorgeous in my personality.
Absolutely.
It's amazing how simplistic the color palette is.
But it is so striking.
It's, I don't know how to describe it.
But I'm a real big fan of minimalist art style anyway.
And the things as a violence, you know,
to me there wasn't really gore in the film.
Even though there was a lot of heads being chopped off and things being cut
or things being removed from other people.
But you know, I never thought it was just like this is gore for gore's sake.
For me, it was very artistically done.
You never really saw.
I mean, I think really almost all the deaths weren't black and white.
Well, you stick, you, they stuck to the source material.
They have to.
I mean, the source material is that grotesque.
Yeah, I had one coworker mindset.
But it's a black and white.
I don't want to do it.
Yes, it's black and white.
But it's like a car.
It's not your normal taste.
It doesn't feel like it.
It's modern film noir period.
And I think what a lot of people are going to miss out on.
I think there's going to be a lot of people that will go to this film and go,
Well, it was kind of overacted.
And it's like, no, that's kind of the point.
Yeah, that's exactly the point.
It was.
And I think they captured the essence of what Miller was going for in his graphic novels very well.
Let's talk about performances because there's, there's more stars in this thing
than there are in a planetarium.
I mean, that's even has Lady Gaga.
That's the one I wasn't going to talk about earlier.
That was, that was the one I was purposely not talking about earlier.
I didn't know that.
So there's that now.
She's now done two Robert Rodriguez films in a row.
Get back to back, yeah.
I've just had a morning empire.
I just, I don't know that I can give you a standout performance in there.
I can give you a couple of performances that I thought that weren't necessary underwhelming.
But I think we're underused.
And that would be Chris Maloney and Jeremy Pivot, even though there are characters in the film
and the overall scheme of things were a bit inconsequential because I don't know that their characters
were supposed to show you Eva Green's motivations because you already saw that.
I just think when you have two actors of that caliber, you need to use them more.
Well, you can do a Christopher Lloyd in that too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's, that's the one person I would like to have seen more of.
But it was basically just.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
For Christopher Lloyd.
He had a purpose.
Yeah.
You had to know why he was there.
I just felt that.
And I love Christopher Maloney and I love Jeremy Pivot and let me put that out there.
I mean, huge fan of both of those gentlemen.
I just felt that those characters may not have been necessary.
And if you're going to have those characters, I thought they were highly underused.
Well, a great.
Hive and character is very necessary because he was also a replacement actor.
That was Madison's part.
Oh, really?
That's the guy that pretty much took Bruce Willis out of the picture for a while.
His part was necessary to actually bring out Maloney's.
Yeah.
It really showed how deep Maloney was in and just, without revealing too much.
Yeah.
He's kind of necessary for his true turn to the dark side if you really want to put it that way.
Done.
I might.
First off, I thought work.
I really like Mickey work.
And I think with Mickey work in this film is Mickey work is at the point in his career where he knows he knows who he is.
Yeah.
And he really has embraced the role of Marvel incredibly well in the first one.
So for me, I knew I was good.
I knew what I was in for.
Yeah.
So did I.
But I thought he even did this to more.
There was more of this character in this film.
And I thought he really stood out.
Jessica Alba.
I'm kind of weird on that because I did like her.
I like the job she did.
She went psycho on this thing and I wasn't expecting that.
Which kind of put a loop.
And I mean, she played the part good, but it's just kind of weird scene or just go psycho.
I thought.
The whole polar opposite of her portrayal in the first one.
Yeah.
She was a completely different person.
Of course.
The last one's president of Palmer.
You know Dennis.
Dennis Hazard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was, I thought he did very good to me.
Talk about stepping up to the plate.
Replacing Michael Clark Duncan from the first one.
Somebody that I thought was going to be irreplaceable.
And until I saw the first shot of him and heard him talk.
Oh dear God.
He's, he's the president.
He's all saying.
He's that guy.
Yeah.
He's definitely minute.
Broan.
I thought was great, but Broan's always great.
But I think the problem Broan's going to have.
Is it no matter what he does.
He's now Thanos for the rest of eternity.
But I thought his part was played very, very well.
Replacing Clive Owen.
But I really didn't think there's anybody that was replacing this film that made me go.
You know, like, there wasn't.
I was like, oh, I wish that person would have still played the role.
I thought everybody really played their roles well.
You kind of mentioned something.
It wasn't actually like a person stand out.
But I want to say this correctly.
It was the way the people died in the blood.
You put those two together.
And I think that really is kind of what made the movie.
As you alluded to earlier.
Like I said, it wasn't, it wasn't overly gory.
But it was, it was cartoon violence is what it was.
When a meho is going through and killing guys and slicing their heads off, you're not seeing you know,
I think the the most gore you see is in the hotel scene.
I think so too.
That was pretty much the extent of the actual gore for me was the hotel scene.
And I don't want to go into it because I don't want to ruin it for anybody.
It was actually also a car scene with Maloney and Piven.
Yeah, yeah.
That was pretty good.
Yeah, more Maloney than Piven, I think.
Right.
I will tell you.
There's a reason this film was rated R.
And it ain't for language.
No.
It's not for the kit.
I will put it to you this way.
Eva Greene's wardrobe budget was really low.
She was on point.
Ah.
Andrew Beckham ladies and gentlemen.
So be before warned about that going in.
There was more of that in this one than I think there wasn't the first one.
I don't remember.
I'm struggling.
Well, yeah, there was.
There was one scene in the last one.
Yeah.
This really went up.
The back of the thing.
The one person I missed to I wish would have been in there.
Yeah.
There's a person who paid me whole the original one.
Definitely.
Yeah.
I could tell it was different.
I just like Devon better in the first one than the girl nest.
Even though she did good and she, you know, kick some rear.
I just wish we could have had her in that first one.
That's the only one I really would have had.
And I mean, she wasn't saying this sweet and innocent.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She's more more hardened.
But that could have been when they were going forward.
True.
That she's more of a hardened killer than she was in the first one.
But Devon Aoki looks exactly like the, the drawing of me.
The graphic.
The graphic.
You'll get more of her in a row this season, because she's joining the cast of
Arrow.
Which I'm very excited about.
We can't hold that against Devon since she was.
She had a button.
The oven at the time.
So she couldn't do it.
But you know, I said it before and I'll say it again.
I was waiting for the greatest movie villains of our time.
I've been a power's booth fan for literally decades.
Like this man made a Jean-Claude van Dam movie
about ice hockey watchable.
Okay, because he was the bad guy.
When he's the bad guy, you know you're getting something good.
It's truly an ensemble piece.
There's no other way to say it.
I mean, everybody did a great job.
Even the people that were maybe background actors.
I thought were good as well.
I mean, what more do you want to say without giving anything away about this film?
Of just, people are most people going to know what to expect when they go see this.
Yeah, I mean, I think I don't think there's a lot of people that will see this that didn't
see the first one.
Yeah.
And if you haven't seen the first one, do yourself a solid.
If you're any form of a comic book fan, you know what you're getting with Frank
Miller.
Not watching these movies.
And there's something wrong with you because the demand is a comic legend.
He wrote the greatest comic book story of all time in the Dark Knight Returns.
And memo to DC.
This is why you don't take out the inner dialogue.
Watch Sin City.
When you took the inner dialogue out of the Dark Knight Returns, I think it handicapped
the story on a certain level.
Yeah, handcuffed it.
It was a lot missing.
The huge element that was missing from that film.
All right, gentlemen, let's get to the final analysis.
The way we do a final analysis on the show, we don't give you thumbs up thumbs down.
We don't give you a grade.
We don't give you a scale thing.
You're better than that.
And we hold you to a higher regard than that.
The way we review movies on the show, it's a two-pron question.
Question number one is, would you see this film again if the answer is, yeah, as
no, we're done here.
If the answer is yes, then it becomes, how would you be willing to pay to see it again?
Would you pay for it in first run in 3D?
Would you just pay for it in 2D?
Would you watch it at a twilight show?
Would you watch it at a matinee show?
A morning show?
Would you wait for it in 2nd run?
Would you wait for it on DVD or Blue Ray or Cable or broadcast television?
Andrew, we'll start with you.
Would you see this film again?
Yes, I would.
Okay, and what would you, well, would you be, well, you'll be the pilot.
Listen, let's go again.
I would be willing to pay up to $6.
So basically a matinee price or going to see it at the value of you theater?
One of the two.
Exactly.
All right, Dawn?
Definitely see this again.
How'd you know, would you go see it again?
I would, I would recommend, and even I would pay the full 3D for this.
Honestly, now, of course, it's not for grandma, you know, our great grandma or something like that.
But for the people who are into this, pay the 3D.
It's worth it.
You'll see it.
Chad, how would you even take my sister to see this?
What do you get?
This didn't hit me the way the first one did.
Okay.
I'd wait on it.
How far would you wait?
Blue ray.
For me, I would definitely see this film again.
I would recommend it full price 3D.
I would love to see this in the Dolby Atlas.
I think that would be really cool in the Dolby Atlas.
Yeah, you're probably right.
Totally.
Yeah.
Go check this film out.
Another great job by Frank Miller and Robert Rodriguez.
When you've got the author and artist of the book, it doesn't hurt to have it.
No, not at all.
That's all I'm saying.
Again, we got to thank you for our butts at Allied for this.
Given us the opportunity as they have for many, many moons,
creeping up on a year since we did this for the first time.
When we saw the Grand Master, Godly, it has been that long.
It's been a year.
It was last August.
Wow.
Jeez.
And I believe this is iTunes exclusive number 42.
I think it's 42.
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