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Whatever we do in Atunes, it's usually to review something and this is no exception.
Today we are reviewing a movie. It is the latest from the spirit brothers.
Starring Ethan Hawke and Sarah Snook. It is called predestination.
Based on a story by Robert Heinlein called all use zombies.
I just don't know how much I want to give away plot-wise on this because
like even to me, the description on IMDB gives away a little too much that more than I would give.
You know what I mean? I'm kind of raising you right now. Why you're thinking on that?
We got to think Kelsey and everybody at Allied for marketing.
That's one of the best friends in the world. They do such a great job with all of these screenings.
A great screening last night, Fun Crowd. This was a film that debuted itself by Southwest last year.
And by the time you hear this, you'll have the choice to either see it in a
very limited run in a theater, maybe near you. The whole here locally, it will play at the Texas Theater.
Or it will be available video on demand. By the time you hear this episode, so you've got a
couple different ways you can check it out.
It's the way I put it in my written review. It's at the clubhouse podcast.com, which is our website.
It's part sci-fi and part film noir. The only way I can describe this film
without giving away plot points.
I just don't know how deep Chad, do you have any thoughts here of how deep can we go in this without
giving anything away? Well, I mean, there was actually a song I was going to play in the
background, but I felt if I did, I would have been giving away too much.
I have pretty good idea of what you're referring to, but I don't know, song-wise,
what I have an idea. It wasn't featured in the film. Go from the trailer,
too. I could give a little premonition, too, for the...
No, not with the credits of premonition.
I'm a little psycho. I'm just going to say a little synopsis.
Okay, I see what you're going to say. Ethan Hawke is basically a cop who's kind of like in the
movie, Tom Cop. Okay. All right. I would ease a cop on the trail of a killer through time.
Through time. Yeah. There we go. He's a time. He's a law enforcement agent for a
secret government department that tracks criminals in tries to prevent
crimes that may happen in a future. Go back in time. They try to prevent these big crimes from happening.
It's time-cop meets minority report. Exactly. Okay. I can take that.
I'm trying to get this one criminal that's been eluding them for a long time.
There's one little kind of premise, which is in the trailer saying,
if you could kill somebody, you can get away and change your life.
Yeah, change your life. That you won't kill someone. You could do it and get away with it.
Would you do it? And that would be opening the other one. Yeah, a lot of things in the trailer,
there too. Correct. But it's just him meeting up with a certain person.
Let's leave it there. Let's leave it there. Let's leave it there.
The relation, the, it just fills from there. Just leave it there. Leave it just
like sleeping dog's life, brother. Leave it to go for that. All I'm asking you to do here.
It's just a time-traveling kind of movie that'll go, whoa. Leave it at that.
Also, it was adapted by the directors. Which I always am a fan of when a director
has had a hand in writing the script, because it gives the director a clear vision of what they
want. When you're adapting it from someone else's material,
there's a friend of the show, Jim Bragel, who has actually read the story that it's based on.
And I kind of gave him today, as I was going to launch with him, I kind of gave him,
okay, here's how the film went. And he told me from everything you're telling me, it's pretty
solid on. The book opens this other story, opens the same way. It starts with the same scene
that the film does. So, that made me feel a little bit better. I mean, I'm glad that's
a press of when they could do that. The directors can do that. Yeah. I'm kind of glad he told me
going in to prepare to have my brain melted. It mind was because if I had gone into this cold,
I think I'd still be sleeping. And it's been almost 24 hours, but exactly 24 hours since
the screen started when we were recording this. I just, I really, really dug this movie. And
we'll start, we'll go ahead and start with the look of the film. When I realized today that I was
going to call it a part sci-fi, part film noir, I really think that's the vision they were going for.
And it works. It works really, really well. I also felt that the way the film kind of sets
itself up is that Ethan Hawke is a bartender in New York. And this person comes in and makes
him a bet. And says, I bet you if I tell you my story, it's crazier than anything you've ever
heard in your life. And I'll bet you this bottle that I've gotten front of me. And so Ethan Hawke
takes the bet. It almost turns into a stage production in a good way. And when when you cut back to
Sarah Snook's character's story, it's almost like as Stone Cold Sea of Austin says,
Salt and Pepper on a good steak. Like I could have been okay just sitting there listening
to the, whether who they're calling the unmarried mother in the credits. Tell that story
without the cutaways. Now the cutaways help tell the story. Don't get me wrong. But the material
is so good on its own. That I could have just sat there and just listened to the unwed mother
on unmarried mother tell the story, chat. I don't know if I could have sat through an hour and a
half of just those two talking without cutaways. It goes to me a lot of the, a lot of the setup
was getting to be a little bit drag along until things started getting a little bit more clear.
The payoff is definitely there. Once you've gone through all that setup,
but the setup seemed to take a little bit. It went a little long for me. Okay. It was kind of
starting to lose my interest. Like, you know, I kept on shifting in my chair like, okay,
something's got to happen. Okay. I was just waiting for something because I knew what kind of
movie this was kind of teased in the trailers. And what I was watching was nothing like what I saw
on the trailer. I'm like, okay, when are we going to get to that? You know, let's get to something
happening that looks a little bit more sci-fi-ish rather than just two people talking at a bar.
Okay. Done? Before going the storyline, yes, about the look. Correct. That's where we're going. Yeah.
I loved it because not to be spoiler or anything and this is not spoiler. It's terrible. So you're
dealing with different times. Okay. Different periods. Different periods. Okay. And when he's in the bar,
you had this gritty look even on the lighting. Correct. Look at the room. It looks like an almost no
early 80s late 70s film. I'll agree with that. And then when you're in the offices of this place or that
place, it looks so clean crisp clear. Almost almost kind of a men in black. Yeah. Yeah. And then
when they're in the at the school days of the younger days and the earlier history times,
you're looking the look that the everything there was like time correct.
And the lighting in the style of photography and my eyes, which I could be wrong, change for each period.
Oh, no. And I wouldn't say, I wouldn't, I would never say you're wrong because it's your perception.
That's just my perception. I don't know if they did that. If they actually did that. But it just,
I thought because for each time period, it was historically correct on the items there and everything.
But it looks changed with the time. And I really, really love that. I agree with that. On the story,
but you're saying about the thing, I kind of read chat on some point. I was watching this thing
and start off, okay, looks like it's like a sci-fi. Then they're talking and I'm going,
okay, this film is only so long. You're spending a lot of time on this. Why is this?
And I did, I did worry about that a little bit myself, but the pacing of the film. The pacing was
good, but I didn't feel like they rushed the end because that was a concern of my because this film is
97 minutes long. And then rush the ending, but I'm saying there's been a lot of time in this,
blah, blah, blah. But then as it goes, you're like, okay, in this film, don't go to the bathroom.
You won't keep your eye on this film. And that, and that's been so many things that if you miss it,
or you're, you know, going to get the soda, don't. And that sense of it, it reminded me a lot of 12
monkeys. Yeah. It's one of those films where, but better. Don't say, I like 12 monkeys too,
but it's a killer. Yeah. Um, but it's blinking. You're going to miss something. Yeah. You know,
if you decide that you're going to watch this on VOD and you need to go to the bathroom,
you're going to get yourself a beverage. Pause it. Because if you don't, you're going to go, okay,
I've missed something. And it's going to be absolutely true. Is that checked? Like at the time,
he poses the question. Mm-hmm. We are at like the 52 minute mark when he asks the question.
When it was just about everything before that was something to do with. But that's the first two
acts are setting up the third act. Yeah. And so for me, that's why I said, I could have just listened
and watched the two because number one, the performances were so strong. The, this goes going to be a
stall. The, and she was in a movie that'll be coming out on DVD very soon, Jezeb, Jezebel. That was a
horror film that was in theaters for a short time last year. If you remember, vaguely.
The chemistry between them, of just, you can see how Ethan Hawks character was just,
he was all in. Yeah. You know, he was trying to play it off like, oh, you know, I've heard
crazy or things. But you could see behind that, how he was all in. And you could see how the unmarried
mother really, it was almost like the unmarried mother wanted to tell certain things. But
didn't want to tell other things. But, but the unmarried mother felt that certain things had to be told
and that's that struggle of getting to that one. I love it. I'm in the movie. She calls for self
Jane. So it's Jane. I'm just going to say Jane. You can say it your way. I'll say it. Yeah.
Exactly. I'm going by what the artists on DVD. Yeah. It's just the performances were so strong.
You felt like you were right in there in the thick of it with them. You were, you're, you're sold.
And, and this is the guy that's saying a song called, I'm nothing in reality bites.
And I, I told Chad the last night, I said, I never thought I would see the day where I enjoyed
multiple Ethan Hawks films because I'm not a big Ethan Hawks fan. Really? But between this and boyhood,
he is completely redeemed in my eyes. Because I just, I thought him in in reality bites. It just didn't work for me.
But he's that's a great stuff. I've carried that for 20 years. He's great. He's done some great stuff.
I'm training day. Hello. But see, to me, training day, he was that, oh no, he was easy, easy.
Okay. Good. A pinions or a pinions. For me, training day was a Denzel Washington movie that
he just happened to be in. That's why that Denzel got nominated for the Oscar sir.
For him as a leading man, someone that can sell a film. I didn't feel that way until these
last two films of Hills that I saw. So that's why I was really, really involved by the performances
in this film. It's kind of like I felt about, uh, Bill Murray in St Vincent. Like the older he's
getting the better he's getting. Now I did tell Chad at some, you know, I'm starting to realize that as
as they're getting older, Ethan Hawke and Matt Dillon are becoming the same person. Yes. You know,
but I, I just, I was happy to see him in a role that he could really sink his teeth into
and do very, very well. And I agree with Chad. Sarah Snook, Hollywood, take notice. Yeah. Because
she's fixing to, she's fixing to break the system because she's that good. You talk about,
you want to talk about an actor that possesses depth. No, yeah, absolutely. And, you know,
Chad and I disagree, I cheat to me. I get a real kind of, uh, Emma Stone vibe off of her way. Yeah,
I think to Chad said he didn't, but I can't see her coming from the place. He says she's well
of a round features where has been a similar, as far as the way she carries herself. I agree with
you, the way, you know, just the way she delivers a line, uh, the way that you, you kind of instantly
are in love with the girl, um, and not just because you sympathize with what she may or may not be
going through on screen, but just, she has that, she has that look about her is you could tell
somebody that you really want to hang out with. It's just, I was, can we want to think it
really, really, really talk about that, that conversation they had, I did like them showing
this stuff when they went back in time. Oh, no, yeah, I thought that really, really made the
conversation. I mean, I really thought that conversation was great, but I'm thinking the only thing
that I problem I had with this is going, this is getting too long, but I enjoyed it, like you're
seeing, but I liked how they flashback, showed the stuff and everything from there. Right, and like
I said, I, I'm not saying that I didn't need the cutaways because like I said, it was the,
it was salt on a really, really good steak, and it worked. Everything in this movie worked.
There were a couple of times where you kind of, uh, but it worked itself out. Um, I like a movie
that can mess with your brain organically. We have too many movies right now that they want to be
the big shocker movie, and they rely on the visuals to do it, where has this, the story drives it.
For, yeah, for a sci-fi film, this had very, very limited visuals. And you can see what's coming
a mile away on, you know, and this was totally nothing. Well, for, I don't know, for you, there
are a lot of great twists and turns. Yeah, for me. I love. I've seen so many movies in my time and
spent so much time in front of a television being an only child. There's a latch key kid.
Some of it I could piece together. So did I lower for time. Yeah. Um, there's one, there's a couple
of little, itty, bitty things that that I went, okay, that just locked that in for me. And, and Chad,
you brought up something to be very interesting about a repeat viewing that that I think would be
good for your input right here. Why you'd want to watch it again? To see where they start, gosh,
but it's so hard to talk about this though. But no, you can talk in general. And I think the, the just
of it was given the, the twists and turns in the film, you want to go back and watch it again to see
what you miss the first hand they reveal. The first hard they reveal in their hands is to,
is to where this is headed. It's kind of like going back and watching pull fiction again. Or,
well, to me, it was more like, it's going to be more like going back and watching the six
sense again after you find out that big box. I can see that that a little bit more. But, but it's that
it's that scatter shot storytelling that you want to go back and you want to put everything in order
because make no mistake folks. When you see this thing, there will be a couple of moments for your
like it. Yeah, it's, and it's, I got to warn the, the empire for the people. There are those
people who go with there with the, some I like say, like, if you say with the kids with the clothes
in the hair, or who's just going in there to be here, you're tamed. You have to follow this thing.
If you have to follow a very, very, you know, very, very, very, the way I described the way I described it
was organically cerebral, where it's the, the smartness for lack of a better term of it happens
in the story, but that's also when you've got a writer who's as prolific as a Robert Heinlein
that and you just stick to the material, it works because that's the way he writes. He's an amazing
writer. For a simple 10 going in, they're going to get so lost on this. I think in some ways,
you have to really follow this. Well, that's a good thing to say, I think. But I think the key to it is
sit through the movie. Don't, don't, turn your phone off. Yeah. You know, turn the rest of the
world off and just get yourself immersed in this film experience. Well, apparently it was a
simplicity of it that attracted Hock to it in the first place because the spirits wanted to work
with him again because they worked with him on daybreakers. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if I wanted to tell
a very, I've not seen it, but I've heard very, very good. I've seen it as far, have you seen it
the vampire film? They worked on it about five years ago. Okay. Uh, and they've, they haven't
done a film since that one. This is the first time they've made a film since daybreakers, and they
wanted to work with Hock again, and they sent him the screenplay. And he said that he preferred the
the human elements, rather than the effects of a sci-fi film. And the quote he's got here is
whether it's Robert Heinlein, Kurt Vonnegut, Philip K. Dick, H. G. Wells, or whoever. That kind of
mind-bending science fiction where you can really attack themes in a new way. And when I read
pre-designation, it was like, what the, did I just read? Here's a question I have, which is,
why is this not going big-time release? That's probably because it's a lower budget film,
but it was, it's considering an indie film. I just because of that, you don't have the, the, the
big market budget. I think this will have a very, very good life on VOD in the order of
the mouth gets out and maybe they might have re-released down the road. They might could.
It's filled up, it's filled up, it's even more often said in almost famous. It's a think piece.
Because like Heather, we really chef after, you know, they released that again after the fact,
you know. Let's get to the final analysis gentleman. The way we do the final analysis on the show,
we don't give you letter grades, or stars, or numbers, or thumbs up thumbs down. Our audience,
the empire, much better than that. The way we're going to give you the final analysis number one.
It's a two-prong question. The first prong of the question is, would you see this film again?
If the answer is no, we're done here. If the answer is yes, it becomes how far would you be
willing to go to see this film? Would you see it in first run? Would you see it, you know,
twilight, matinee, early morning, would you wait for it in second run? Would you get it VOD,
or red box, or Netflix, or would you wait for it on cable? Donald, I'm sorry, would you see
this film again? Oh, that's a definite yes. All right, how far would you be willing to go?
Let's leave this bubble gap. It's a tough one. It's somewhere between twilight and full price.
Because I want to watch this thing again. I think a lot of people want to see this thing twice.
I have to see it the first time. Okay. Chad, would you see this film again? I would rather see
this thing VOD, not because it's the kind of film that you really don't have to be bathing in the
whole cinematic glory to experience it and get fulfilled. And I think it's better received once you've
been able to digest it, maybe go back and see what you might have missed. To me, this was this was
made for the VOD format. In my opinion, I think it was made for the VOD format. I would definitely
see this again. I would like to see this and we've talked about movies like this recently since we've
been doing these these items exclusive. I want to watch it with a group of people that haven't
watched it. Yeah, because I want to watch and I don't necessarily, you know, concentrate on the film
as much as I would concentrate on watching their reaction, watching them freak, knowing what's coming.
You know, I already know. I just want to see what you're going to do. So I think you're kind of the
same kind of setting that I would like to do it. This is also one of those films
that I would want to own just so when new people come around like have you seen this? Yeah. And
you know what? I would really equate it to. Have you ever seen Equal Librium? No, I have no.
I've put it on your list. Okay. And that's one of those movies that that's always going to be
in my instinct you all the time as long as Netflix keeps it on there. Because it's such a good
movie that when people come around like, hey, have you seen this? Have you seen it from the
frame? Oh, no. Okay. Come on over it. Well, watch it. Because it's so good and it's so
underrated. And this film's kind of in that same category that I would own it just so when people come
by like, hey, have you seen this? Because if you haven't, we're going to watch it right now.
Because if you're watching a group of people, I like to see their looks at the 45 minute mark.
Kind of. And then about 10 minutes later, they're like, I'm going to go and walk. Yeah.
It knocks them out. Yeah. Anything else you guys want? Again, of course, thanks to our friends
and ally. I didn't agree to Martin. There's too much Kelsey from Biden. That's never beddy there.
That's nice people. Any other input for me to the plug gentleman?
I encourage filmmakers to get out and make more movies like this. I would really like to see
more people take chances on their art and not go for the whole, you know, no knock against Michael
Bay, but it's just a kind of movies that he makes. The Michael Bay popcorn reference the epic
rap battle in history that he was in. Yeah, more or less. You know, maybe it's just us getting
older. We've gotten a deeper appreciation for the finer points of cinema that a good conversation
beats a a glittery car explosion any day of the week. At least at least that's where I'm at right now.
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