iTunes Exclusive Episode Big Eyes

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My name is Rob and the best painting I can do is stick figures
And that's on a good day
Now my wife however she's quite the painter
But I'm not alone for this particular
iTunes is crazy
There are other people in the studio with me first of all joining me to my left across Medesque is
My normal co-host for the clubhouse podcast. You're one one stop shop for all things sports and entertainment and he is also a man
That has an eye for art
Unfortunately that eye is blind. He is Chad welcome to the show sir. I beg your pardon
Also joining me directly across from me
Is a friend of the show friend of mine and a man that whenever says somebody says art he puts an F in front of it
He is Dave Scott welcome to show sir. Thank you very much. I'm very sorry
I'm afraid this microphone's gonna smell like Doritos and beer about it time we're done with it
That's a good day
Just saying also joining us in the studio is the official fact checker of this show
And a man that has enough cheetos to at least last him for a couple of days
You may know him as fondongo, but his mom and even don Ford. I'm gonna call him Don Ford welcome to the show sir
Not here to judge you outwardly. I've given it to the end of this podcast. He nice my god
Can you not not during the podcast, please?
I'm drinking he should have cheetos. There's a difference between drinking a beer
Don't need that on the show
Okay our listeners would love to listen to us eat no no they really wouldn't
That's been proven normally we do one of these at the fair point
Normally when we do one of these it's to
Review something and this is no exception today. We are reviewing the latest film from legendary director Tim Burton
It is called big eyes and it's based on a true story of Margaret King who was an artist in the 50s and 60s
She leaves her husband moves to San Francisco with their daughter and
If you've ever seen the paintings of children had had the really really big eyes
That's her
So she meets up with a man
By the way Margaret played by Amy Adams in this film
Meets a man by the name of Walter King played by the great Christophe vault
Who charms her and sweeps her off her feet and Mary's her and he's an artist as well
And so he decides that he's gonna try to sell their art
By putting it up on the walls of this jazz club in San Francisco and he paints street scenes
Because he spent some time in Paris and that's what he paints
Well people start to make take more interest in
her art than his
Well he decides if he's gonna take credit for her art
Because he's there and she's not and
This small white lie
Snowballs and snowballs and snowballs
Until it's basically taking over their lives and she's doing all this work and he's going out and getting all this credit
And it goes from there
It is interesting to note that this is the first time since 1996
That Tim Burton has not done a film with that that had either hell on a bottom carder and or Johnny depin it
And I believe Chad and you're y'all you may have to correct me if I'm wrong here
Isn't this the first true story he's ever done?
No, Edward. Oh, yes, you are correct
Caroline didn't have
Coraline was it yeah, that wasn't him. Yeah, that wasn't him. Well, oh really no, he didn't do Coraline
Looks like he would have done
So unfortunately for this particular episode the guys are here for moral support because I went and saw this one myself
I was gonna say because I have not seen this film at all. It's it releases by the time you hear this it'll be in theaters
But we got to see this a little bit ahead of time thanks to our friends at allied integrated marketing
Who are
So we'll start as we talk about the story itself. I thought this story was fascinating now when I had seen what her work looks like
I did recognize it and there's a great quote at the beginning of the movie from Andy Warhol that said
If it wasn't good, why would so many people hate it?
Which I thought was was awesome because art is such a subjective thing
As I talked about in my written review on the clubhouse podcast calm, which is our website
The story really was an interesting story to be told because here was this woman that just wanted to have her art seen by people
And instead she's basically locked down in her house
Constantly painting so her husband can take credit for her work and
Start to make all this bajillion's of dollars world-wide
May I might I am?
No, is that part of the true story?
Talk about right into that. Is that part of the true story? No, absolutely. No, they cover all of this in the film
That happened in real life. Yes. No. Yeah. This is a true story Amy Adams plays Margaret Christoph vaults plays keen
Jason Schwartzman has a small role in this
Terence stamp
Really, yes, Neil before Zodden, Danny Houston who's also a great actor and there's a funda in this. There's Emily fundas in this
Who's kid is she? I don't know, but I'm assuming I'm assuming Peters
fact checker fact checker fact checker. Yeah, don't's on it right now
So for me it was interesting to see Burton kind of
Go outside way outside of his comfort zone of his apparently on multiple levels because
With Edward he was still kind of in his element right that weirdness part of it
This he really had to tone down what he does which I was very impressed with
the other thing
That is part of some of his films
Is all the pastels for instance like Edward Siserhands
He could actually use that in the film because it's set in the 50s and 60s where pastels were kind of the thing
So that part of his visual style fit very well into what he was doing because there's a section of the film
Where Walter realizes hey wait a minute
We don't have to keep making new paintings
We can just make photocopies of these paintings because people were just ripping the posters off the
off the telephone poles and have it inside him
So she's in a grocery store and she sees all of her stuff on display
And it's all the pastels that she would see like in in scenes from Edward Siserhands
So I thought that worked really really well a performance wise
Amy Adams Christa vault do I need to say any more kid
The bike down could you can talk into it straight into it because it's just not it's not working for you
Yeah about that there we go much better Christa vaults
One of my favorites and when you have Christa vaults in a role where he's just basically playing this slimy
Shicer guy I mean
Who's the first guy you think of Christa vaults you know? I mean he plays this role incredibly well
I really don't want to give away too much of what ends up happening
Because I didn't know a lot about the story and you get to the end where they tell you what happened and you go wow
Just wow
Okay, so I know who Amy Adams is
Christa vaults is it was either guy in glory space that exactly who that is
Who will also be your next bond villain
So I'm very I'm a big fan of this man a big fan of this guy. I'm all in for bond. Oh absolutely
I'll simply play the fantastic row in Django. Yes, I love Django indeed
Django
Django yeah, the D is silent
Uh, it's not Netflix right now. I really should turn on all this. Yes, you should if you have it. Yes. It's easy to play
Let's keep it on. I know I don't want to wrote. We're just trying to do a corner reference on Christa
He is
one of the great
antagonists of this generation. There's no doubt in my mind and he plays the role so well
That as much as I love him. I hate him
You know he he sells it and
She has a genuine presence with him and really those two carry the film everybody else in this film and I mean everybody else in this film
Very insolary
They just kind of come and go the real the movie is truly about the two of them
I just never would have paired those two up as a couple
Well, that's the thing. I'm not a Tim Burton fan at all. I actually
I would avoid Tim Burton fan movies except all except for two. Okay, except I man a bad man
Returns right. You're actually three because p.e. he's a big adventure. You don't even he was a big adventure of sucked
Well, a lot of people who wow that's an HSO a lot of people you know
I did not like Batman Returns, but a lot of people did so I still give him the past for that
I didn't like it particularly but I know it was popular
One way no no way am I thinking that the circus one horse is it? That's p.e. that's big top p.e. is the second one
He was bigger yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
He didn't break out love big adventure and they're doing a new one
In fact, you can finally find that she's born in Australia. It says nothing about that so she's not an actual find the
No, no, okay, just the last thing fair enough and also a great performance from and even though it's a minor role
Kristen Ritter who's got some very big things coming up and if you want to know about that you want to
Let's do our work just read that and
She has a very small role playing Margaret's best friend who's already been living in San Francisco
Also a great performance by her, but again this movie is about the two of them
And their relationship and how with evolves from just this hey
So one time deal it got us a lot of money for one of your paintings into
I need more I need more I need more tell me when I get asked these questions about your work how am I supposed to answer them and
The mind games that he plays with her that on a certain level she gets but on a certain level she's still trying to figure out
It's
Amazingly well done. Now what time are we looking at this is the late fifties are we 60s okay
When and then part of the reason why and part of the reason they decide to do this though is because
Women who did art weren't taken as seriously as the men which is part of the reason she goes along with it
Which she's just like look I'm not gonna be taken seriously anyway, so I just kind of roll with it and it just turns into
Something it goes from something that she wants to express herself with to a job and
What did they say when someone that you love becomes a job you got to get out of it
But she was so far deep into this lie
That she just had to keep going with them. I mean she had to lie to her own daughter and
Said whether there's one painting where her daughter says that
Hey, I remember this painting I was wearing that dress and this is where we were and he's saying
No, no, I did this she's like no, that's me in the picture. He's like no, I'm I'm imitating your mother's style
Oh, you must be very good at it. It's it's where the story unravels really and it's and it's a great a great story told great performances
If I have to give a criticism to this film and Andrew was with Andrew Beckham the king of bowling was with me for this and
Unfortunately, he couldn't make it to be here for this special edition
The first 30 minutes of this thing
Drag on forever
Basically the first act it it's just it it's so slow
And I'm a guy that usually I try to look at my watch and I'm thinking I kind of think of where I am
And I'm like okay, we're probably 50 55 minutes in no we were 25 minutes in
Which is odd for Burton because he tends to throw things in relatively quickly. He had to I don't know if he just felt that
he could
Telled so much groundwork that it would have made you understand better
I think he could have cut 10 minutes out of the first half an hour and it would have been fine
So was there a lot of exposition or it was it was just the story just moved slow and I was just kind of like
I mean was a character development was it back story or was it just the they just plot it along with no
Part of the lawn there was a lot of it that you kind of like okay, I kind of get the bit now we can move on
Uh-huh
It was just one of those deals
I mean because I'll go with you if you take a while to set something up
I'll go with you if I feel like you're taking me somewhere, right?
But if you're just circling a drain and that's what it kind of felt like for the first third of it
It's about an hour 40
I mean other than that I thought it was a good film, but it was in a great film
You know Burton's one of those guys where
He hits the home run or he doesn't and it doesn't when if he doesn't hit the home run
It doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad film
It's just not Burton standard and to me this wasn't Burton standard
It was a good film. It wasn't a great film
Well just looking at it subjectively what is your opinion of the high water mark of Burton's work for me?
Batman not withstand okay, I have to take the bias out
Puy Puy's probably my favorite film of his besides Batman me. It's a two eight. It's a two-way tie
for Edward
Edward Edward Siser hands. Oh Edward Siser hands and big fish
Big fish you know, I forget that he directed that. I don't know why because it's his visual
Because it's not like it's more like this. It's more like what I really enjoyed big fish big fish is one of those movies where
I break down everything watch and you watch and you get to the end and you're like
Yeah, you are you are so not expecting what happens and it's it's mind blowing. So I wanted to make more films like that
And if this is more like that it is but I wouldn't put it on the level of it. No, no, I'm not saying as far as a as far as a
If it holds up to scrutiny and criticism but visually it's more based in reality than it tends to be based in fantasy
Although there was no it's well, it's a true story. It's be based on right now granted big fish did have fantasy elements
But it felt more grounded. It felt more like a force gunk type film. Then it did a 10 Burton film, you know
And that's why I liked it because it just felt like it could happen
So that would bring us to the final analysis of this and the way we do the final analysis on this shows we don't
We don't give you grades we don't give you stars
You don't give you thumbs up thumbs down because as our audience the empire you deserve better than that
It's a two-prong question
Question one is would you see this film again if the answer is no we're done here
But if the answer is yes, then it becomes how would you see this film again? Would you pay full price?
Would you go to a twilight matinee early morning? Would you wait for it? Maybe at the dollar theater?
Would you get it from red box? Would you watch it on cable? Would you watch it on broadcast television?
So let's address the first question first because that's what we do. What I see this film again?
I am barely on this side of yes
Because I don't know that if I saw it again, I would see something I didn't see before
It's not one of those kind of films that you need repeat viewings of. It's a great story
But I'm just barely on this side of yes, but
I think I would watch it if it came on cable. I don't know that I would go to like a red box and rent it
Like if it came on cable, I'd be like okay, you know if like if I'm sitting with the lovely
Intounded Mrs. Irvin because she is an artist
And she hadn't seen it and she was interested
I'll sail through this with you. Okay, but I wouldn't I wouldn't go out of my way to see it if that makes any sense
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. No, what about what about like the Netflix? You know you get on the Netflix and
Netflix versus red box. That's an interesting we've never addressed it that way before
But if it was in the instant if it was in on the instant queue and just said, oh, tell me about this
Okay, I'm sorry with you
But I wouldn't because I've literally had movies sitting on my instant queue since
Brother you ain't the only one
But no, yeah, I would watch it in the instant queue, whether we made it to make that part of our rating system because you actually have to make an effort to pull something up on Netflix
You're not paying any extra full well and
But that's not like the effort you would have to go to actually put on clothes and go to the red box
So you probably have to rent that between red box and cable
Not now sir. I have seen the people at red box
You do not have to put on that's a fair point
Say you're tired fair fair
The wood you live in you're talking about me here. Okay, that's a fun anything you gentlemen want to add real quick
Emily fun is going to be in 50 shades of gray. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did stuff right anything else
I will go see that movie that that I will probably go check it out
But don't go out of your way to see it. I'm a bird and so I'll give it a shot whenever whenever whenever the opportunity
You know arises and you like I said you'll you love Kristoff Altz what you will heat Kristoff Altz
I did him in in in in glorious so I love them, but I hate it all right gentlemen. Let's do the plug drill quick
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