iTunes Exclusive Episode The Grandmaster
Rob, Chad, Jules, and Don review The Grandmaster, director Kar Wai Wong's film about Ip Man, a kung fu master in 1940s China who moves from north to south. The hosts praise the film's visual elegance, choreography by the Matrix fight coordinator, and strong performances by Tony Leung and Zhang Ziyi, though they note the domestic cut appears to be missing 20-25 minutes that may have affected narrative flow.
About this episode
Key takeaways
- The Weinstein Company's domestic release is 108 minutes, versus 130 minutes for the Chinese cut and under 123 for the Berlin Film Festival version
- Fight choreography was handled by the Matrix fight coordinator; the film balances action with a love story and character development
- Visual style uses black and gold tones, snow and rain scenes; the film transcends typical kung fu movie conventions with elegance and story-driven narrative
- Tony Leung delivers a lead performance compared favorably to Jackie Chan; Zhang Ziyi's antagonist Kung Lee also provides strong acting alongside her character's journey
Q&A
How long is the version of The Grandmaster the hosts watched?
108 minutes, the domestic cut released by the Weinstein Company
Who directed The Grandmaster?
Kar Wai Wong, a perfectionist who took a year to edit the film
Who choreographed the fight sequences?
The same person who choreographed the Matrix films
What do the hosts expect in terms of award nominations?
Best foreign language film for certain; possibly cinematography and visual effects; better shot with Golden Globes than Oscars depending on domestic reception
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The following is a sooner orgator production. The following is a sooner orgator production. Welcome to another iTunes exclusive episode of the Clubhouse.
Just give a little extra thing we like to do for you kids that subscribe on iTunes, because we love you that much. Welcome, my name is Rob and And whatever we do and I do them exclusive There's usually a specific reason for it, but let us introduce you to the players involved Sitting across from a desk for me as he often does he is the co-host of this show normally airing every Sunday night at 70's turn for Pacific. He is chat.
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Am I getting up until I'm darn good and ready or at least to my bladder Tells me you're getting up now fair enough fair enough to his left She is his wife. She is of British descent and when NFL probos are done in in British It doesn't really bother She is jewel. Hi, everyone.
How are you? And to her left He is the official fact checker of this show His mama named it Don Ford, but you may know him has fun Don go Oh, I'll order what good afternoon to you, sir. Good afternoon to you, sir.
Good afternoon to you. How are you doing? I'm well.
I'm well, dude. Very very well We're actually gonna be doing a couple of different eye-tunes exclusive But they're not gonna be available to you at the same time Skinner don't start to show it free bird. Okay.
It's I'm saying But we got the screen a couple of different movies this week This one will actually air After We'll be available after the next one we're gonna do so if you know if you're a clubhouse this story and you're trying to keep all everything in order That's how that's gonna go But this week we actually got a really good Sneak peek out of film. It doesn't open for another week But by that time you hear it will be out in theaters for you It is called the grandmaster You've got me figured out it might have gone that way by the music in the background This is a movie that has literally been around for decade The director of this film Car-y-wong and I'm sure you're probably going oh that car-y-wong He's a perfectionist He's a very very big perfection Again the music that watching jazz reactions And if it gives you any perspective He took a year just to edit this film Other films that you may know him for he did a movie called my blue very night Which looks like it has Rachel vice Natalie Portman in it as well It's about a pancake buffet. Oh, there you go Eros 2046 happy together chunking express By Johnny's buffet a lot of a lot of films that have Asian titles But this is the story of Ip Man Which is not a character played by Dougie Doug Who is a kung fu master in 1940s China Who Lived in the north but then moved to the south am I am I correct in that as well.
I believe so Are they always the south to the north one way or another Uh And there was two distinct divisions in China at this time And they were they weren't at war, but they weren't real friendly with each other The journey of both him And Gone the earth played by the great Jengji Who you might remember from crouching tiger hidden dragon or Shower king rush hour two as well beautiful girl It is not just about his journey. It's about hers as well as you find out as the film goes on I don't want to go deeper into that as we will Just like we're gonna do with our other special edition that we're recording today Because if you go any deeper than that it's just gonna give away too much Let's start with the film itself I very much enjoyed this film I thought that the story Kind of got disjointed in a couple of places, but it did catch up to itself. Not in a pulp fiction kind of a way But we'll talk about What I mean by that here in just a moment.
Jules will start with you. What did you think of film? I find it very entertaining I enjoyed it.
Anything specific I just like how the shot everything in slow motion at the start of the movie So that's the comfort style. Like this. Yeah, I just like how that the style of how that how that everything was done All right, done I did but I really did like it.
I'll say I have a prejudice usually about some title films I have trouble watching them and then you mentioned that is what we were at dinner before the film It you weren't sure about films that are subtitled which I thought was very interesting Because sometimes I can't read it all so fast and it's like I'm feeling like I'm missing part of the movie But this one I kept on really good. I was able to really go You know watching it live and everything. I will say the film is I think I like about it was of course the action was incredible It had that kind of action sequence filled in matrix also, but Well, you say that because the fights are choreographed by the guy who did the matrix But the thing I liked about also when we know this movie, yeah, yeah, and I know you could you could fill that in there But the one thing I really liked it had a feel of elegance in it And we'll get to the visual style here in just a minute But that's what I really wanted you think about the film itself Oh, I Kind of like in some parts like you're saying it was the you know basically a 20 year journey from the early 30s to the 50s But I think they told the story get overall.
I like the action Overall. I really did like it. I really did.
I chat There were things about this movie that I liked and there are things about this movie that I wanted to like but found myself wanting more Okay, I like what well Anybody who's seen the ads for this movie you kind of get the impression that it is just gonna be a A butt kicking fast all the way through it, and it's really not Do you think that's because of who produced it probably? I mean, you know Are you are you are you meaning who released it domestically or no? Yeah, yeah domestically I'm so yeah because I mean there are literally three versions of this film that have been released You've got the domestic Chinese cut that ran it 130 minutes, which is what we saw on IMDB right?
We should all be able to see it pull it up and the there's another version that they showed at the Berlin film festival that clocks in It's seven minutes less than that at under 23 but the one we saw was 108 and I'm really curious as to What gaps got left Once the Weinstein company got a hold of it and dissected a good 25 minutes out of this film because and I do wonder if that was why it got disjointed like I can't help but think that that's got to be the case Because you've got some some I know you said that it really wasn't pulp fiction But to me it kind of was because you're kind of jumping around You're kind of telling things out of sequence because okay, we're removing one step forward so we can show you what happened two steps back ago And literally close to the end of the film at the time I got real fuzzy for me You know, like I will you know say much, but the train fight the train station fight okay I didn't realize where in the timeline that was taking place That was that was that was current and see at the time that that fight was happening I did not know that I thought it was happening like 10 years before was happening and it wasn't you know I'm like okay, so this happened then and okay, well now I'm really confused so I don't know I mean this there wasn't anything that that when they went into that scene It kind of gave any obvious clues that that's when this was that's when this was going on Visually well, we don't want to get too much into it, but the movie is going to be the next thing we're gonna talk the the movie itself I liked it. I wanted to like it more You know, I had pretty high expectations going in because I'm familiar with one car wise work This is apparently his most successful film to date I'm sure it will it's it's I mean it's done very well in the homeland It's like in his home. Yeah, like it's like it's like 50 million which is pretty good for them believe it or not Visually Stony absolutely Don't make that definitely beautiful use of Black tones versus gold tones the The winter scenes with the snow the the rain scenes visually Absolutely stunning.
I always and what I liked about the film Especially when we talk about the visuals and don't we're gonna go to you first on this Too many times and we see action films we get that style over substance problem Where we're gonna and we're gonna talk about that in another special edition We're gonna be doing here in a little while Where you're letting the visual drive the story instead of the story being handed hand with the visual And I really honestly believe that in this film That Kaiwar won did a great job in letting the the visual work hand in hand with this story And I think that's maybe where you got a little bit disconjointed Chad Where yeah, the trailer did make it look like it was just gonna be a kung fu fast And there was some kung fu in it's great kung great great action sequences and I judge a good kung fu Especially in the modern era by You fooled me enough to to ignore that there could be wire work. Yes, because there's too much that we were a lot of this Like yeah, that was wire work. Come on They were a couple tiger you didn't care right so beautiful.
There was a couple of points where I was like that was a little too Wiring for me, but for the most part the fight sequences were well-cored right to see my pain Yeah, who's actually in the film towards the end if you want watch for him I'm not gonna tell you where but you will see him in the film visually absolutely stunning off the charts done I agree 100% with you on that. I I liked How they can have the fights and the in the rain sequence and you could feel like you were there You felt like the rain was you were in the rain. I thought personally I liked how they used all the scenery the scenery wasn't credible and the use of the scenery even in the fight sequences But the thing overall visually something like I'm saying but I Thought for kung fu film this was very incredible in the fact that it had a very very Great elegance it felt like this was a very well put elegant movie which you had do not see very often with a kung fu style movie Okay, Jules actually I'm sorry chat This is the kind of film that it transcends its own genre and it gets people that normal flight well-flight wouldn't watch a film like this To watch a film like this.
I mean because to me it's almost like Take crouching tiger and throw in the notebook and put it in the blender and you come up with this film You know what I'm saying you you can you can appeal to both crowds. I see where you go with that There's a beautiful love story right there's also action and it's story driven right well acted you know It's only lung needs an Either he needs an Oscar here or he needs the equivalent of an Oscar and Hong Kong Because the man's gifted oh Yeah, he's got actually placed it mine right beautifully acted very Very fluid and he's stop. Let's go back to that Jules visually Especially I think it was it was beautiful it was well put together I looked everything about the the aspect of how it was done and it was made like it was Modern kung fu And I'll have a text I'm gonna have a text review if you guys want to submit yours to me And I'll combine them all together on our website WWW dot the clubhouse podcast dot com very very soon Acting wise Chad just said it impeccable Tony Loon she why this is full name played eight months beautifully acted Wenji let's just be honest.
Did you notice who her Who Her antagonist was Her antagonist the guy she fought the traency Young man by the name of Kung Lee Who you might have known for the Tekken film as martial law Shut up true story That's that's the main thing that she would probably he was in Pandoram He's in the man with the iron fist which we have not watched yet Which sitting on my DVR right now But I recognize him I was like that guy looks familiar to me Also very well acted I don't know if there's anybody in the film but I was like okay, that was a little over the top for me Oh, he's also in the man with the iron fist. That's what I just and Pandoram You just said that I guess I was I was scanning while you were saying that And we don't edit these episodes this just happens and we send it out. That's the brilliance of this show We're not we're not afraid to show a little bit of deep The flaws in the show as I'm trying from all the But acting wise, Chad, we go to you like I said Tony looks a man I've I've seen him play smaller parts, but I've never seen him play lead Okay in in a you know in a sub titled film The man's good.
I mean I know that a lot of people wanted to give Charlie on fat all the credit for being a modern day carry grant, but I don't know who you would compare him to I don't know who you would compare Tony to as far as a he reminds he reminded me of a younger Jackie Chan He really did like with better acting skills. Yeah, he's he's a lot more he's he's really really stoic But I thought he was very very good in this film. Yeah Done Acting that that wasn't credible I Really found and from a guy that does not I can't does not like to read subtitles.
Yeah, to say that that's very high praise I How they're able to do the Kung Fu plus regular acting action everything I'm gonna say this right now This will get some Oscar nominations without a doubt whether it's best foreign Well, we're gonna get to that here in just a moment look at that, but I think somewhere But I the acting I thought was incredible the leak characters the motion plus the action and the real-life story was all Toling credible. I thought jewels I love the act and the act and was great and I like agree with both Chad and you so With it with the actin and how it was like more like a Jackie Chan So yeah thumbs up to that So we'll get to the final analysis I will begin by saying I agree with Dawn on a certain level. There's no doubt in my mind This will be nominated for best foreign language film as far as and maybe some visual effects Maybe cinematography cinematography.
I can't speak today But other than that I don't I don't know beyond that it's gonna depend In my opinion, it's gonna depend solely on how it is received in this country right now as it stands I think it's got a better For many from a number of nominations standpoint might have a better shot with the golden globes than it does with the Oscars jewels will start with you Okay, sorry, what was that final analysis Sorry, sorry, we promised you we've been awake for a while It just doesn't show final analysis of the of the film Okay, overall. I think it's it's a it's a great movie and enjoyed it. It was entity in and I had some Comedy factors in there.
We did it didn't eat um I would you know I would go and say this movie I would I would pay it to go and say this movie Would you pay for it in a matter of age pay for it in the evening show? And that's that's that's two different things Okay, I think I'll go over the second choice. All right, Dawn I would I would pay for on this one and Overall I I would highly recommend it.
I would say Overall with the awards gold globes of course. It will be I think due to the fact we don't know what's coming out totally yet, but I think there's a chance that since there's gonna be nine or ten nominees This possibly possibly might get a best picture nomination. Okay, and you're in time of your opinion Yeah, but born film for sure.
We'll be in that mix in a catch of the cinematography everything I think this was worth the wait on this film What's your question? I would pay Matt Nade to sit through this again Just to catch maybe what I missed the first go around okay I would be willing to go full price if you could show me the Original pit full cut. Yeah, here's my analysis If I hadn't seen it the first time I saw it I would go to an evening show because I would have had a lot of faith in it For a repeat viewing I think I would wait for the blue ray director's cut Because I'm like you I want to where did that other 20 25 minutes go?
Yeah, I think it would what happens there what what was so Non-shalant that you thought it was worth cutting that's what I want to know that And I'm sure we'll get it. I'm I'm fairly sure we'll get it in some form But you know what go see at kids We enjoyed it. They're far worse ways to spin your money in a theater and I think this will get a lot of word amount I think in America.
I think I think you know wide release or what would stay and limit it I mean, it's the Weinstein corporation so I really don't know But there's a word of mouth theaters will want it if there's such a big buzz more and more will probably want it or might be moved to the bigger theaters They can adjust if you want to know how the film does You'll want to listen to our normal show every Sunday night 7 Eastern for Pacific on You stream you can go to you streamers nor show or You can go to our website Do the plugs WWW dot the clubhouse podcast dot com is our website for those of you that may've just stumbled on this show on iTunes You can get the last almost eight months of this show that are available right now for you You can like our page on Facebook Look up the clubhouse podcast put the word podcasts on there or something completely different You can follow the show on Twitter at you at clubhouse show. You can follow me on Twitter Yes, that Rob Irvin that is from ERV I am I am at Chad in P.G. 69 And I'm Jules on Pinterest and I'm pondango and I would like to give a shout out thank you to Weinstein the now live Check everybody for inviting us to that's some great people really enjoy talking within this week You can also email us.
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