Herbert Is Overrated, Dion Was a Cheat Code & State Fair Beer Rankings | Beer 30 Sports O’clock
Beer 30 Sports O’Clock is back live from The Scout at The Statler, where hosts Ziggy and Bri Padgett break down the wildest college football weekend of the year, from Ole Miss’s revenge win over Lane Kiffin’s LSU to Miami’s shaky defense and Kentucky’s SEC statement win. Special guest Grego joins for a fiery NFL debate on whether Justin Herbert is the most overrated quarterback in football, a Deion Sanders legacy deep dive, and a hilarious breakdown of that infamous Vanderbilt-NC State ending. Plus, a beer flight pairing craft brews with teriyaki shrimp and wings, and stories from state fairs across the country in this beer-fueled, no-holds-barred sports talk episode.
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Chapters
00:00:09 – Welcome to Beer 30 Sports O’Clock at the Statler
Introduction to the show location at the Statler hotel, highlighting the bowling alley, bars, and dining options on-site.
00:02:07 – New York vs. Texas Banter: Basements and Bourbon
A lighthearted debate about basements between the New York and Texas hosts leads into the show’s news segment.
00:03:02 – College Football Roundup: Miami, Ole Miss/LSU, and More
Discussion of Miami’s shaky win over Wake Forest, the electric Ole Miss-LSU game, and Lane Kiffin’s bold persona.
00:08:39 – Heisman Race and Oregon’s Struggles
Debate over Heisman frontrunners, the overrated nature of the award, and Oregon’s surprising loss to Oklahoma State.
00:11:25 – Kentucky’s Rise and the NIL Effect on the SEC
Analysis of Kentucky’s breakout win over Texas A&M and how NIL money is leveling the playing field across the SEC.
00:14:04 – Coaching Philosophy: Saban, Dabo, and the New Era of College Football
A deeper dive into how NIL and the transfer portal have changed coaching styles, comparing Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney.
00:19:16 – Reimagining the Bowl System
A pitch to move traditional bowl games to the start of the season to preserve tradition amid the playoff era.
00:23:43 – The Future of March Madness and College Basketball Economics
Speculation on how college basketball tournaments might be restructured, with debate over which schools deserve a spot.
00:27:50 – Vandy vs. NC State: The Costliest Blunder of the Week
Breakdown of a bizarre end-of-game mistake by a Vanderbilt player that cost NC State the win, and who’s to blame.
00:33:37 – Beer Flight of the Night: Teriyaki Shrimp and Wings Pairing
The hosts taste-test three beers (Kona Big Wave, Martin House Dr. Bock, and a German Kölsch) paired with teriyaki shrimp and wings.
00:44:29 – NFL Check-In: Saints, Browns, and Backup Quarterbacks
Discussion on Shedeur Sanders vs. Tyler Shough, Deshaun Watson’s status, and the value of reliable backup QBs.
00:47:04 – Deion Sanders: The Most Dominant Corner Ever
A nostalgic tangent celebrating Deion Sanders’ unmatched impact on defense despite rarely making tackles.
00:51:06 – NFL Injuries and the Softening of Toughness
A conversation about preseason preparation, dramatic injury reactions, and how player toughness has changed over generations.
00:56:19 – Ben Johnson’s Impact: Lions’ Decline vs. Bears’ Rise
Examining whether Ben Johnson was the real difference-maker in Detroit, now shining with Caleb Williams in Chicago.
01:03:19 – Is Justin Herbert Overrated? Comparing Him to Jalen Hurts
A heated debate on whether Justin Herbert deserves his elite quarterback reputation compared to Super Bowl champion Jalen Hurts.
01:08:40 – Hangover Clinic: State Fair Stories and Wild Six Flags Days
The hosts swap stories about state fairs across the country and Grego’s wild past working stunt shows at Six Flags.
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This is Beer thirty Sports o'clock. Hey. They they liked it. Alright. Cool. So that's right. We are back at the scouts the scouts, excuse me, at the Statler. And I don't know if I told you all this last time, but they have a bowling alley in here. They got, like, two lanes, three lanes. So come in here and get whooped, because kinda nice at bowling. I've been working on my left hand spinner. So I feel like challenges from my people out here. So, you know, after the show though, after the show, they got bowling, they got foosball, they got pool, they got food, good ass food, and, whole lot of drinks, man. A lot of beer on tap. So thank you to the scout. But if the bar scene is not your vibe, if you'd rather, you know, come get breakfast, they got a spot called Oveasy. You can come down and get eggs, Oveasy, or fried hard or whatever you like, breakfast and lunch, and a great coffee menu. As well as they have waterproof, the rooftop bar. I'm telling you the scenery, bunch of people walking around in bathing suits. In Texas, it don't get cold till like February. So come on out and enjoy the rooftop bar, waterproof. And if that is still not your vibe because the Statler has so much to offer for you. If that's still not your vibe, they have a great I mean, great little cool, speak easy down in the basement. Check out the phone booth. That's all I'm gonna tell you. Check out the And phone it's called permanent banter, and it is right below the scout. It's in the basement. It's it's it's a vibe though. You know, you don't feel like you're in a basement. Trust me. Go check out Bourbon and Banser. How many basements have you been in, Ziggy? I'm from New York. We got a lot of basements in New York. Like, what? Made that. Had a room I had a whole apartment in a basement. That makes sense. Okay. You know what? You know what? One thing you're not gonna do is make me feel bad about being a New Yorker and learning to live in a basement. Okay? I'm not saying. In Texas, y'all don't have basements. That's not my fault. Alright? Which is weird because we have so many like tornadoes and stuff. Yeah, but if it's sort Y'all don't have the infrastructure. It's not necessarily infrastructure but the. Depth. I don't know. Don't know. I don't even know what you call it. The the depth and the I don't know. Whatever. Anyway, New York is sea level. I think that's kinda why they do it. They build anyway. Yeah. We're not I'm I'm not an architect. I don't do construction. I have no idea what all that is. But but yeah. So, again, we're at the scout. And now it's time for news you can booze to. First up, college football, baby. Miami. Listen. Miami versus Wake Forest was absolutely way closer than anybody expected on a Thursday or Friday night. I forget what night it was because there was so much football going on, and it was so mediocre. But Miami's got a lot of injuries and I'm starting to wonder if their national championship run is really going to be a run. I think that I think that Miami has the opportunity to go all the way to the championship and win and and do everything that they need to do. Their quarterback is phenomenal, but their their defense is lacking. I thought they were gonna have a little bit better of a defense. It ain't Bane and the, the other guy's name is hard to pronounce on those edges. And, I just feel like Wake Forest was giving them all they could. Wasn't very, very, very close. Let me not, you know, act like it was just, you know, they squeaked out that win. It was it was still, you know, Miami, but Wake Forest looked a lot closer. Wake Forest surprised me on their defense, to be honest. I was I was really surprised. I didn't know if it was just the injuries on offense and things of that nature or if it was Wake Forest's defense, is crazy to say. But that wasn't even the game of the of the year possibly because there was a game of the year. And I'm a get straight to it. Ole Miss and LSU. Ole Miss gets revenge on Lane Kiffin in the greatest fashion possible. Chambliss is definitely gonna be in the Heisman race. He's getting an invitation to New York. He had a great, great game. And I I apologize. We we got into news you can booze to, and I didn't even I didn't even How dare introduce my my counterpart here. Don't worry about the the the other guy that's just sitting over doing nothing. Don't worry about him. He's just he's supervising. My my counterpart over here, Grego, what did you think about the Ole Miss LSU game? It was electric. I'll tell you that. Game of the year nominee? I don't know about that. Don't know if you can have a game of the year in September. Lot lot are of gonna change, but I'll tell you what. That that was a misleading game to me because they they got down 17 nothing Yeah. In that hostile environment, and they tied it up. Mhmm. They didn't win the game, but, man, they fought back and they got and any lesser team would've just Yeah. Would've caught up. Taken their stomping and gone home and considered the situations and declared it an unwinnable situation, but they didn't do that. And that showed me something. That's hey. They they've got a lot of talent down there, and Lane Kiffin has proven that he's one of those guys that can take that kind of talent, throw it together, and win some games. The big game, that remains to be seen, but he can win a lot of games. What I think it proves though as far as college football is is is looking at as far as the the the, scenario, as far as the 20 top 25, the playoff picture, all those things like that. First of all, I think you can have a game of the year in September. I wanna just hold on because Ohio State, Texas damn near was game of the year as well because that game was crazy. And I'm not even a Texas fan. I think Ohio State is is better, but they absolutely got annihilated in the second, third to fourth quarter, end of third to fourth quarter. And I just that game was great. That game was great. LSU Ole Miss game was great. But we'll see. There is you're like you're right. There is a lot of football left, and there is a lot of teams that can have the games of the year or whatever the case may be, but that Ole Miss game, LSU game was was fire. Like like phenomenal game. And you're right. Lane did prove that he can he ain't scared. He can definitely get down with with any of the critics. And then did you see the presser where he said the the comment about Ole Miss had they had the fans there a few hours early. He that they should thank him that they should thank him for bringing that many fans in the in the stadium. Oh my god. College football is no different from any other entertainment industry. You must have a villain. Yes. You gotta have a villain. You gotta have a villain in every movie, TV show, and Lane Kiffin is a great villain. He I mean, you you That man he's a vibe. If he's on your side Right. You love him with passion. Yes. If he's not Oh. Man, every and and you'll protect him. Yeah. You need people like that. No. Yeah. You need those story lines. Yeah. And you couldn't have written a better story line. Oh, no. And the picture they took when they got the interception to win the game And it couldn't have been pointing at him and yeah. It was man. And under no scenario No. That he needed to win. No. He to lose that game. Yes. Get out of way. To lose it. Yep. And and he did. So, you know, everything squared out squared out. I I I thought it was great. Chambliss, Heisman Trophy winner or Way early, but, man, he can play. Man. Unless barring injury, I don't really see very many on the offensive side. Very many quarterbacks in that in the college football realm that are getting their, you know I don't know. Mississippi State quarterback, I heard is is I've seen him play a little bit. Mensa is gonna be in the talking, but he may Yeah. See He he may split votes with his wide receiver too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's so I it it is early, but I do think way too early to start talking about Heisman. Plus, that's the most overrated award in all of sports, the Heisman Trophy. Because it goes to the best quarterback of the best team. It's what it goes to. No. I think I think If if you're the greatest, you know, offensive tackle to ever play in college football, you have no shot of winning the Heisman. Really? No shot. Zero. Alright. You know, if if you're a great running back these days, you have no chance of winning. No chance. Understood. I was just yelling at the talking about the Oregon ducks who who basically Who who shit the bed. I just wanna say, they did. You lost to Oklahoma State. We can't talk about y'all no more. Y'all lost to Oklahoma State. Okay. I'm sorry. I love the ducks. The ducks They actually lost to, UNT Stillwater. Still yeah. Because they North Texas Stillwater. Oklahoma State had a 91 transfers this year. Yeah. And about 50 to 60 of them were from, like, UNT. They're gonna win too. Yeah. They're they're gonna win a little bit. I I don't They've got they've got a good coach that's that is organizing Yeah. And getting the players that he wants. Eventually, they are gonna win. I just don't they've got up there, they've got a pipeline of money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't think that they're going to do anything this year, big 12 wise, because they're still in the big 12. And I think that they are, they are going to be waiting a couple of years. I do think Oregon can bounce back, but it just showed me that it just showed me that the, yeah, the quarterback ain't ready. He ain't ready. And that's crazy because he's a super senior. He's a super senior. It's like his sixth year, ain't it? Well, listen. I just I think Oregon is is I think Dan Lanning owes Mario Cristobal an apology because there was a lot of talk about bad talk to Crystal Ball. But Crystal Ball is recruiting really well, and and Lanning hadn't bounced back from losing. The grass is greener where you water it. But, anyway, moving along. We don't wanna talk about that too much longer. Kentucky. Sexy sleeper good. I really, really, really, really think Kentucky is gonna make some noise this year. I don't think they're gonna make the playoffs because the SEC eats its weaker of the the teams. But I do think that Kentucky blasting A and M in their own stadium at Kyle Stadium sends a clear message that Kentucky's here. We're not we're not going anywhere. We're gonna be a problem, and we're gonna continue to show you that we belong in the upper echelon of the SEC. Well, they don't belong there yet. They may get there, but they don't belong there yet. And and if we put the Aggies up there know they did. And I and I can't believe it, neither could the Aggies. But, you know, played if they play that game 10 times, they're gonna lose nine times. Nine times. I give you that. But but they caught them on the right time, and they won the game, and nothing and they shouldn't have that taken away from them. Right. But but they're not exactly in the conversation of Texas and Georgia and Alabama yet, but they're getting there. I love that coach. Yeah. Know the coach is really good, and Kentucky is really good. And I think, like And you know what? Mark Mark Stoops, he he Started that. He he started a lot about that. He started that. And I feel like, man, thank you for saying that because Stoops Brothers didn't get a bad rap, man. But o u was thriving when when Stoops was there and and Mark's Look what he was fighting. He was fighting Alabama Yeah. And Nick Saban. Saban. Yeah. I mean, not not a lot of people won a lot of titles back then except him. For sure. And I think, like like you said, this new coach, he's I forget his name now, you know, but they're sneaky good, man. And I think they're gonna make a lot of people, excuse me, miss the playoffs because There are no easy outs. They are no yeah. They're they're not a well, some easy ones. South Carolina might have South Carolina would like to have a one. Yeah. Go in there and play in South Carolina and say that. Mississippi State just did it. I I know. Mississippi State's good. Hey. Mississippi State is really good. And what's crazy is people have been saying, you know, on Twitter and social media and things like that, I don't know if you're on there, but they're saying that that that Chambliss may be in the Heisman race, but he might not even be the best quarterback in the state of Mississippi. Mississippi State's quarterback is good as hell. And it's crazy to say that, but I mean, Mississippi State is also a force to be reckoned with. But, yeah, I just I think Clemson I think Clemson. Kentucky is going to be a dream crusher this year. They're gonna they're gonna kill some people's dreams of getting to the playoffs that are like on a close to the outside looking in like the lower playoff seeds in the SEC. It's kinda amazing, you know, those you know, Ole Miss and Mississippi States and even Vanderbilts. It's amazing how they can compete when you level the NIL playing field. Oh my level that Let's go. Yes, sir. You level that field all of a sudden. All of a sudden. Ole Miss can you know, they can compete with LSC. Of a sudden. And that and and and you see you know what's so crazy about that? I'm glad you brought that up because, Alabama's old coach, Nick Saban, has been going absolutely crazy on trying to stop the NIL from happening and things of that nature so that they can get more control over the situation. And I find it so funny that he's the face of it. It's like, bro. Well, he pulled the ladder up. Yeah. Like, come on, man. Like I mean, he he made his money, and he paid the players, and And he worked the system. And then when the system started constraining, he pulled the ladder up, and he didn't want anybody else to get up there. Facts. And and Clemson's coach, Dabo, had a had an unbelievable comeback against UNC, but he's starting to sound like Nick as well with this the transfer portal and the NIA. Well, no. The difference is is that Nick Saban knew to get out. He he knew that he he didn't wanna compete in the system. He didn't like it. He foresaw it, and he was smart to get out. Right. But Dabo thinks he can beat the system. He He's gotta be yeah. He's beat it. Now he did get lucky with UNC. I think that UNC is just I don't know if UNC is bad. They're bad. Or if Clifton is just They've got no players. Yeah. And this day and age Yeah. You gotta have no players. Well, even when you're paying players, they're not gonna go to a coach like that. Yeah. They're not gonna go to an old school coach Yeah. That is gonna coach them up and make them But is he really old school, though? Yes. Is. Do you think so? Because every patriot He doesn't make it fun. That's true. And That's you talk to any player from Tom Brady on that played for the patriots, and they said, yeah. We won a bunch of Super Bowl, but we never had any fun. No. Yeah. Fast. And the the same thing there. Yeah. And and these kids now, they're like, okay. Yeah. You're gonna pay me $5,000,000, and you're gonna do a curfew check every night. You know? And you're gonna have all these rules and regulations, and I can take your 5,000,000. Right. Or I can get 5,000,000 in Miami and not have to do any of that nonsense and play for a fun coach. And have a ball in Miami. He can't he can't coach these people. You know? Yeah. No. Yeah. I I I think I think that's why, like, his girl, Jordon, is is probably more important. I I give we joked about it on this show before, but I think she's a good look for him. Hopefully, she can keep him young and they can start having fun. But I just right now, it looks like you are nail on hammer on the nail. Just just he is no no fun to play for, and that is why I mean, he may be he may be the kind of guy that I was talking about earlier about, you know, if you have a department of football. He might he might be the coach that you have. Which is crazy. And where you can say, hey, we're gonna pay you twice as much to come to our school, but here's our coach. We're gonna win. Yeah. But he's gonna make you follow rules. Right. Right. Right. Because that's all Nick Saban did. I mean, all all those players, they didn't like all those crappy rules. No. But they knew that if they signed up with him and played four years, they were gonna get a ring. Yep. They knew they were gonna get one, and they could put up with that as long as they were gonna win. And then all of a sudden, when you start leveling the field Not only were they gonna get a ring, they were gonna get first play. And he was gonna prepare them for the NFL. Yeah. Facts. Yeah. And and that's what they're looking for these I mean, the days of, hey. Come to State U and Right. Get you a great education. Yeah. And maybe you can go on and be a CPA one of these days. These kids dream about playing in the NFL. Yeah. Not a about getting an education and and being a CPA. Which and education in college football is is kinda hard to do, you know, with the the scheduling and the traveling. It's not hard to do. They did it for years. They just stopped making them do it. But they got they got they got educations in in water polo. They don't they don't need it. That, though. If you if you play for college football these days Uh-huh. And represent the college and you don't have to go to class, then there are no rules. I mean Then that means you can do whatever you wanna do. That's a true statement. I mean, I mean, when's the last time you've heard somebody, oh, he he can't play because he's academically ineligible? You don't have that anymore. They take all the they they You should. You'd have that. You should. The the somebody was early nineties last time I heard that, though. Early nineties. Hadn't. And now you don't. But I'm just saying, like, it's And not you had to go to class and But they cheated. They they But during the way. During the football season Right. All players had to go to class For sure. To be eligible to play in the bowl game. Absolutely. And so you had that carrot over them. Right. Well, you don't have that anymore. And now they've got the carrot over you of saying, not only do we not worry about that, but we're not even gonna play in your stupid bowl games. So they're opting out of that. Which is crazy because the bowl games have made or break make or break some of the players to getting drafted in the league as well as, like, going higher in the draft because there are some bowl games where I remember watching. I'm like, damn. This dude was amazing, the linebacker. You know, I never even seen him play. Don't don't do away with him. Just play him at a you you know when all bowl games should be played? First game of the year. The Cotton Bowl? That should the Cotton Bowl classic should be the first game of the year. No. The Cotton Bowl is different. So You gotta think different. You can't think old school. But the combo is different. Gotta think outside the box. If you wanna keep these bowls, there's no way you can have a playoff system and keep them. You can't do it. But Yeah. No. You can't But if the beginning of the year, you have your orange bowl, you have your big celebration that this is the begin this is our opening day like baseball. Have the Cotton Bowl Classic, the Rose Bowl. Yeah. Have the Rose Bowl parade in September. No. Why not? Yeah. Why not? Well, it's too hot for one. Well, it doesn't matter. It's too hot for one. It it doesn't matter. If you wanna if wanna keep the bowl system Right. There's a way of doing it. You just have you can't play it at the end of the year because that it doesn't work out. Right. The calendar doesn't work out. And so don't do away with them. Play it at the beginning of the year and have a classic. Everybody can do it. Yeah. No. I agree with that. I I think you can do that. I I think the problem is is that it doesn't make as much money in the beginning of the year. It won't make as much money. Gonna make any money now because the playoff system takes it up. No. It's not they're not making any money. I mean, they play something that resembles it, but it's still part of the playoff system. So the NCAA is getting their money. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Not the bowl game. I'm saying play the bowl game I get what you're saying. The very first game of the year. Mhmm. And that way, the bowl commission, like, you know, one of the most powerful sports organizations in Dallas for decades was the Cotton Bowl Association. Yeah. I don't even know if there's a a such thing as anymore because there's barely a Cotton Bowl game. It's part of the playoff system. No. The Cotton Bowl is you have to Cotton Bowl Texas OU. No. That's not. That that that that's I mean, Texas OU is Texas OU. That's played in the Cotton Bowl. I'm I'm talking about Oh, you're talking about the actual Cotton Bowl game, I guess. But that's play yeah. I get what you're saying. Cotton Bowl game. I'm calling you calling. I'm calling you to be one of the most powerful men in all of sports used to be a guy that ran the Cotton the Cotton Bowl. A guy named Jim Hoss Brock. And he made things happen. He was part of the old bowl system. Yeah. You can't have that anymore. No. It doesn't You can't have a cotton ball classic. No. It's the end of the year. You can have one at the beginning. Yeah. Nice. Or you have one at Thanksgiving. You know? Yeah. But by the end year doing things, but the old way of thinking, you've gotta shake that up. Yeah. Because everything has to be outside the box thinking because it's a different world. It is. And I I I wholeheartedly agree. And these people that wanna hang on to all these traditions, they're they're done with. That's what that's what It's over. But the traditions, you can't get rid of all the traditions because that's what made college that's what makes college football great. That's what used to make college football great. It's a new era now. They've moved into a new era. So They're now paying players. They're no longer student athletes. It's a it's a different world. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You you have to think all through a different lens. Yeah. It's it's not like college basketball or college baseball Right. Or college golf. All Yeah. Sports which are gonna go away. I don't think they're gonna go away. Think Well, they're gonna be diminished. They're gonna be they're gonna be Because all the money is gonna be made through football. Basketball basketball. Yeah. Basketball is not because of the tournament. Hell, yeah. Mark Madison is But the tournament is gonna rule rush. Everything else. Yeah. Now see, in basketball, they have those big tournaments at the beginning of the year. Mean, nobody goes to them because it's the It's the beginning of the year. Yeah. It's the beginning of football season. Yeah. It's still a fun game. If they play that what is it? Coaches Against Cancer tournament that they play? The the Dickie Villa. They do play a lot of, like, little small, fragile tournaments. They promote them. Yeah. Yeah. The Dickie v one, they do because it's on ESPN. But the NC double a the college basketball is always gonna be identified with the tournament. That's all that matters. March Madness. Nothing else matters. Nothing like March. And so you've gotta find a ways to get to that. Yeah. Yeah. I I think they're gonna reinvent ways of doing that. I mean It should. Having a committee and doing all this, you don't need to do that. No. You can have playoffs. Yeah. But what but that what that's gonna entail is taking the best 50 college basketball programs and everybody else But then you get rid of the Cinderellas, and the Cinderellas are the whole thing. Cinderellas are overrated. You can still What? Well, you know what? If the fiftieth ranked team wins, there's your Cinderella. I think you're gonna I think I understand what you're saying. The days of Butler and Davidson, those are it's a whole new thing. You're gonna have to do more than 50. And for because here's the thing is Well, maybe so. Yeah. Because basketball, like, you gotta think about it. Like, it's 32 it's 32 teams. But there's gonna be some people that aren't gonna get invited to the party. No. No. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, your Saint John's, they're not gonna be invited. Saint John's is not gonna be invited? No. Sir. They're not. Okay. Why why would you invite Saint John's and not Illinois? Why would you Saint John's has a better Saint John's has a better basketball program. They've got a better nothing. They've got a better basketball No. They don't. Yes. They do. They don't. No. They don't. Over Illinois? No. They don't. Over Illinois? No. They they Yes. Hell yes. No. They don't. What they have is a reputation. They used to have a just in the March Madness tournament, like They don't generate any money. They they don't have an alumni base. I mean, they do, but they say, it's crazy. I'm telling you, they don't have that. But Illinois doesn't really have it like that either, though. That's like my TCU in football. We're not gonna be invited to the party. You wouldn't make it in basketball, though. I know they wouldn't. They're not gonna be invited. They've got no history. That's why I think they're not gonna I think I think that's why they can't do it with basketball. TCU would be more invited than Saint John's. And I'll tell you what. Because of No. What? You gotta think about money. You gotta think about endowment. You gotta think about TCU's got twice as many students as Saint John. Saint John's only got 6,000 students, and it's at Inner City New York. Okay. Let me Okay. Let me hold on. Yep. There's start thinking the economics of it. Yes. The economics of it, you're right. But I can tell you right now, New York money New York money is the same as Texas money. I don't know about the same. Same thing. I don't know about the same. All spends the same. Yeah. No. It does spend the same, but I don't know if it's the same brackets. Yes. It's the same thing. A million dollar a million dollars will go farther in Texas than it will in New York, but a million dollars is still a million dollars. We're just talking millionaires for millionaires, and Saint John's are Saint John's is I can guarantee you. If they get serious about basketball Yeah. And and paring it down, Saint John's is not gonna get invited. I don't know, man. They paid that coach a lot over there. It they won't know? Yeah. Mean Another team will. You a a small private church schools can't survive with the big dogs. For sure. But then that would that would mean Villanova would be out. Then Then they're gonna be out. No. Villanova. Yeah. They will. They're too much of a basketball powerhouse. They're they're no. They've got a basketball reputation. And and a powerhouse. It's not a powerhouse. Okay. It's a powerhouse till they start evening the playing field. And and and then and then all of a sudden, UConn, a state university, gets a lot more money. All of a sudden, UMass gets a lot more money and all sudden Oh, I think you're thinking of it from you're talking about from state to private. Yes. I got you. Okay. Okay. So the privates aren't gonna be invited. We're just talking money, but that's gonna start a whole And another so everybody everybody that's got this big reputation. Yeah. They're they're not gonna be invited. Yeah. I mean, Georgetown, you think that they don't want they're not gonna take you. They don't want you But I think George Washington Yeah. No. No. I it's William and Mary, where I was accepted. Was accepted. You bet I was. So we're talking about baseball. So I mean, basketball. So I guess we could switch. Although, I wanted to talk about the Vandy game. Vandy versus NC State. I think it was probably the dumbest play that I've ever seen a football player make. But do you blame it on the player or the coach? If you don't know what I'm talking about Gosh. Look up the safety that lost NC State the game. Vandy threw a pick at the end of the game, game losing pick, and instead of losing the game, they created because the quarterback was dancing around in the end zone instead of just going down for the last final seconds, and Vandy got the touchdown. You know what? And they put a second back on the clock. Did you see that bullshit? Yeah. That was some bullshit. You know what? 100% is the quarterback's fault. It's not the percent? Because I I I wasn't there, and I'm speculating, and I don't have the facts to back this up. Right. But I can guarantee you his coach told him to protect the ball and just go down. I think the first part is right. It would be coaching malpractice not to I think the first part is right. I think that And so think he he armed he armed him with Now, did he ever say, now, if you fumble and they fall on it, we're gonna lose. He never told him that, but you shouldn't have to. Duh. Well, You shouldn't have to. But admittedly, this lug head didn't know it, and he's back there hot dogging around. I also think slapped the ball. And by the way, it was a lucky slap to get that ball a great punch. Oh, it it was, but it was lucky. And and so that is one of those games that you just at the end of the year, if they're sitting there at eight wins looking to make some kind of move in the ACC and they've got that one loss, they're gonna be kicking themselves. I think was won. I think though I think though it's coaching because of some of the factors. This is why there's a difference of the Bill Belichick's and the other other coaches, the Nick Sabans and the other coaches because they didn't practice that situation. They didn't talk about that situation. They didn't think about that situation, and that's why it falls I I solely on the coach. That's why I think it falls I don't think it falls solely on They're fifty fifty on this to me. Because they had to have a game plan, and the game plan was to take his safety. Take the safety. Okay. So he had to and once again, I wasn't there, but I have a hard time believe that any coach, any coach from high school on would wouldn't say, now here's what will happen. Now, all we gotta do is get a safety and we win the game. Now, were they screaming, hollering because they had had actually won the game and they knew they'd won the game? Maybe. I wasn't there, but if you're a quarterback falls on the pit falls on the coast because why the why the fuck are y'all screaming and shouting, we ain't won the game yet? There's still five seconds. You have be smarter than Also, why didn't they just try to do a tush push to to push him for like, that's that would that was my thought process first. I was like, why did they even do that? Why not why take the chance and just tush push him forward and make sure that he by the time the scrum is over, the five seconds is gone. And and and they were out of timeouts. And they were dude, you win the game. No question. Even if they tackle you for a loss, it's a safety. Yeah. What you wanna do. Push push the whole way through and just, you know, hey, whatever happens happens. If it if if you unless you fumble. Obviously, if you fumble in that situation, you're screwed either way. In that situation, I want one transfer Yeah. From the center To the quarterback. The quarterback Right. Who who I've put gloves on at this time. Stick them. I have made him put gloves on. Stick them. And I don't want Hold that ball. And when you get that ball, just Bro. You know? But but I don't even know if I would tell him that. I I don't know that that that I would say I don't know that I would boil it down to that lowest common denominator have to. Of saying, don't drop the ball because it's so obvious. You have to because that's coaching. Because the whole time he's saying all we literally coaching. That's a. You're giving up two points. Yeah. Don't listen. We don't care. Give up the two points. Don't give up the seven. Do you know? What I need you to do is hike. If you're gonna go to the end zone, go to the end zone, take three steps, hold the ball as tight as you can, and fall. But you know what? Every year, whether it be high school, college, or the NFL Mhmm. Every single year Yeah. Some team that's gonna purposely take a safety, they screw it up and lose again. That it happens every I see how long was going to do. I thought he was gonna do to Dan Orlowski. I thought he was gonna run out of, you know, out of the back. Which would've been okay. It's just Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I thought he was gonna do that. But then when he went back up, I was like, what is he doing? One way he could've lost a game, drop the ball. Yeah. Like, what? I was like, why are you going this way? Go. I mean, he could've taken the snap, turned around, and thrown the ball high as he could and let the time, and they went. The only thing he could not do Was take it to him. Lewis ball. Slapped out of his hand. He can't do that. The one thing And he did it. Knew he did. And it it's gotta be on the quarterback. Yeah. I I mean, I I put fifty fifty because the coach should've just tush push one. Two, hey. Do not let go of this ball No. When catch a height. Transfer. You want one transfer, and then you're just gonna fall. You're just gonna fall back as slow as you can, get out of bounds, or whatever. Take the safety. Take the safety. I mean, coaching. Do whatever you wanna do. Cradle it and jump up and down and scream. Yeah. Exactly. Do whatever you wanna do. Do the splits. There you go. I mean, get the ball, get the ball, and do the splits. But anything. Right. Just don't drop it. Don't drop the ball, man. So. Oh, man. But alright. So now, it's time for the beer flight of the night. Oh. Yes. I am back. I don't have any beers though. Oh, okay. I was like, what do you want me to do with the beer? Alright. There's a lot of work going on for Brie. I feel bad for Brie. She gotta do a lot of moving and moving and shaking. But the the good thing is you don't have to eat. You're not alone eating tonight. So, you know, as some of you know, I am a pescatarian. So last week, I couldn't eat. But this week, they made me some shrimp with teriyaki. Oh, fried shrimp. Okay. First of this looks amazing. It smells good as hell too. And the beer flight is here. So Brie is going to eat the teriyaki wings and I am going to eat the teriyaki sauce with the shrimp. Okay. I'm a little nervous. You know? I'm a little nervous. Don't be nervous. Yeah. What'd you like? Beer plate you got there. Hey. I appreciate that. You like my beer plate, man? That's you know what I'm saying? With the beer 30 logo glasses. You know? She's very cute. Yeah. Oh, she it's a here. Don't do that. Don't do that. So what is that? So what do you do? Like, sample different beers? Different beers. Yeah. Just give my honest opinion on what the beers feel taste like. Would you like any shrimp? No. I'm good. No? Okay. I'm good. Alright. So I'm gonna go ahead and So what what kind of beer are you working with over there? So first up, we have Kona Wave Kona Big Wave. It's a light beer, clean, crisp. Should make for a good pairing with this teriyaki sauce because teriyaki sauce typically is a little savory, a little sweet and it should it should Sweet and savory. Sweet and savory. Thank you. You're welcome. It should be refreshing with this. So Dakota Big Wave is 4.4%. Right. It is a blonde golden ale. The fruitness and the hopiness should complement the teriyaki sauce. Word. Now I always love the Kona Wave. What kind of is is the Kona Wave it's a blonde ale, right, you said? Yes. Kona Big Wave. Big Wave. My my bad. Put yourself together put the big put the big before the wave got it. Okay. Teriyaki is definitely savory I don't with the shrimp, it's not very sweet. Well, shrimp is also relatively salty. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So Well, here. Let me try it. Let me try it with the wings. Yeah. With the wings. With the wing. It is a sweeter teriyaki sauce than what Really? I've had before. Yeah. So this so the on the shrimp shrimp are salty. So it's So that's an ale? Blonde ale. Yep. That's an ale. So all beers are technically ales or lagers. Yeah. She's the beer connoisseur. Yeah. Mean the the ale is top fermenting. Mhmm. Mhmm. And the lager is bottom fermenting. Mhmm. Look at you knowing stuff. Hold on Greg. I'll be talking about this. Yeah. I to do some Google searching and stuff like that. What how'd you find out years of experience. How'd you learn? Because I was a bartender for a number of years. Oh, Well, I mean Oh my god. I'm Grego. Code. I'm Grego but younger. Mean, I I know Yeah. Facts. No. Greggo but younger. Greggo but younger over here. No. But, yeah, that's what we do every every week. We try different beers. We, now we're pairing them with the food here at the scout, which, by the way, the shrimp is fire. I'm not gonna lie. The shrimp is really good. Mhmm. Teriyaki sauce, I'm not really it's not as sweet as I thought it would be with the shrimp. That's so weird. Oh, okay. For me, it's not as sweet as I thought it would be with the shrimp. Well, Do you want some? You wanna try it? No. I'm okay. Thank you. Yeah. See? So what's the dark beer over there? So that's a bock. So that's the Martin House doctor bock. That one's gonna be more of a darker beer, very similar to like a shiner bock for people that don't usually drink craft beers. Yeah. What do you think? Too sweet to go with the teriyaki. So the doc so the doctor bock is 5.6%. Okay. It is supposed to be malty. It is very malty. Yes. Very malty. Not not a lot of hops. So for those that don't like a ton of hops in their beers, I I had that conversation while I was in Seattle this weekend. And, a lot of people were like, oh, it's it's it's a IPA weekend and lot of fresh hop IPA weekend. And people were like, oh, that tastes like weed or some nonsense. I don't know. It was a it was a very interesting conversation. What is that a German beer? Bach. Yeah. The bach? Yes. It's Well, most yeah. Most German beers are, aren't they? Yes. Usually They're all malty. Bach is more it's very similar to, like have you ever had Odell 90 shelling? No. No? Okay. So that's like a oh, what's the word I'm looking for? Very whiskey forward beers. So Yeah. Box and darker beers like stouts are gonna be more whiskey forward, whereas the lighter beers like Kona Big Wave is more vodka forward for those that don't drink beer often. Damn. Where are you woah. Woah. Woah. Why are waiting to the scout to tell people this? I finally have the opportunity. Okay. Oh, so you're not saying I talk too much? Well, no. Grego's asking the good questions. She also just disrespected me on my own show. Didn't disrespect you. Right. No. I know. I'm just complimenting Grego. I don't like it. No. But so, I'm not gonna lie. The Kona wave goes very well with the shrimp. Mhmm. The shrimp, good, salty, teriyaki, savory. So the the the big wave yeah. Like, if you're gonna do the shrimp or if you're gonna do the teriyaki wings, the Kona is where you wanna stay at. For real. For real. Alright. Let's try the middle one. Yeah. What's the it's big German. Oh. It's your it's your favorite. Town. Yeah. Big German kolsch. Sorry. All the shrimp is really good. The McDermott is 5.2%. It is I'm not gonna lie. After eating the shrimp and then drinking that, they're it's about even with the with the cone cone of big wave. So I think because, like, teriyaki has honey in it. Right. And the big or not the big wave. The big German Yeah. Has, like, honey notes in it and orange notes. Well, that's where the toasted that's where the toasted malt comes in. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead, Greg. Old school me. Kolsches don't really have toasted malts. They do have malts because every beer has malt hot. That's very German. Yes. They are. Yeah. Because, I mean, basically, beer to Germany is wine to France. Yes. I mean October fest is starting to. Or is wine wine to Italy, though. Right? Or Italy. You know? Champagne is both a wine country. France. Right? Okay. I just want hey. Listen. I'm going overseas soon, and I wanna drink. I wanna go to Oktoberfest. It's just incredible how free and easy they are drinking beer in Germany. Mhmm. I mean, it's it's it's not quite iced tea in Texas Mhmm. But it's close. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And everybody drinks it. Oktoberfest actually starts this Saturday. Is it this Saturday? It goes for a few weeks, but Yeah. It's like a whole month almost. I know they're serious about it. This truck is slapping, though. I'm not gonna lie. You're welcome. I don't know if I'm just hungry or that shit was that shit good as hell. I'm about to scrape this. I just try not to be try not to be a savage on camera like that. So I'm just saying I'm gonna Yeah. Yeah. So for me, it's crazy. Beer of the night is is is probably going to the big German coach because of how clean and crisp it is with the with the shrimp and the teriyaki. Like, it's it's I thought it was gonna be the big wave, but it's it's definitely gonna be the big German coast. So here we are. What's on the end? Is that water? Water. Mhmm. I was hoping that wasn't straight vodka. Oh my god. No. No. I don't even drink minced tequila. Can you just imagine that whole thing being full of Stoli? You would definitely have to drink that slowly. Stoli and slowly, baby. Oh my gosh. How are the wings? You over there tearing them up. Yeah. I'm I'm watching. I see you. That's rude. Don't look at Yeah. I'm not looking at you while you I just happen to see you over there taking a big ass bite. Are you good? Good. The teriyaki is very sweet, which I do like. Good. Alright. I'm a buffalo 11. So let me get this straight. Mhmm. So you just you're doing your show here. Mhmm. You just knock off in the middle of it and start drinking beer and eating. Yeah. I drink beer through the whole show. What a hell of a gig. I agree. I love my show. That is the greatest thing ever. Yeah. I'd like but it's I mean, just talk a little sports and just, okay. Time out. Let's drink. Bring in the beer. But I mean Bring in the wings, and let's eat and drink. But the it's literally the most perfect combo. It is sports. Like, when you think of sports and you think of anything, like, when you go tailgating or when you go to to the to the stadiums, what do you think? Sports, wings, beer, hot dogs for baseball? You think, you know, for football, I know I think of beer and wings and and pizza or hamburgers. That's I mean, that's just what you think of. So his show is very much like Sunday night football. You're at your friend's house. Yes. Hey, man. Listen. I I love that. I can't do it any other way, man. Honestly, I can't I can't do it politically correct because I'm gonna cuss, and then I'm gonna also drink, and I'm also gonna talk, you know, talk crazy. But we didn't even get to the NFL yet. Don't do that. Well, because we're get to the NFL because I really wanna talk about the saints and how I owe Tyler Shuck an apology. And I don't like apologizing, but I owe that man an apology. I said him and Shador should have swapped places, but I was wrong. And I know I was wrong because Shador's still not starting in Cleveland, which is a really, really, really weird situation. But Oh, Dante Watson was pretty good the other day. Jean Watson? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he looked pretty good. And and if he's pretty good, he's better than Shadur. If he's pretty good. Because Shadur is a he he he needs to set his sights on being a top career backup. Ain't nothing wrong with that, though. Nothing there's nothing wrong with it at all. Cooper Rush got a star. Yep. Yep. So Dante I mean, Drew Lock. And that's Drew Lock. And and that's exactly. Yeah. I mean, because I think a premium Yeah. Is there used to be a premium on backup quarterbacks, and then it went away because it got too expensive. And now it's back. I think it's gonna come back. Oh, yeah. And I don't think they're ever gonna spend a lot of money on it, but I think they're gonna look for a certain type of player that can accept the fact I'm not a starter, but I'm a quality NFL quarterback that can win NFL games, and there's a future for me. And if you can do that, you can play fifteen years. James Jameis Winston. There there's a good exam. Although he can't even play, and he's still there. Jameis miss but you know why he's there, though. Yeah. And and and if I owned a team, he would be on my team. Oh, yeah. Now he'd be Great locker room guy. He he'd be the third quarterback, not the second, but he'd be on my team. But you have to have that. And Shooter Sanders, he has that makeup to me as a guy that can come in and and throw you into a game or out of it immediately. But that's all about the quarterback. One that that yes. But that's another one that we were talking earlier on, three wide, about the the build, the body structure. Yeah. He is who I think of, like, the body structure doesn't fit. No. Yeah. He looks like if he gets hit too hard, it's over. Well, look look at his daddy didn't have a NFL body. He didn't. But he played defensive back. And he played and punt returns, so it wasn't well, and wide receiver too. So you know I think Dion went one season without making a tackle and was still the and was still the best player on the field. He was talking about that on a podcast or an interview not too long ago about, a specific player. I forget the guy's name, but they were talking, and the the guy was like, man, you keep playing like that. You're only gonna play for four years. And because he wanted to be like Ronnie Lott, like, trying to knock people out and stuff like that. Wasn't even physical in college. But that's but that's what I was saying. Like, was trying to do that when he got to the NFL. And the guy god. It sucks. I forgot his name. But he told him he's older. You know, I told him, hey. Look. You wanna play you wanna make a million 1,100,000 for four years, which, you know, obviously, we know Dion made way more than that. But he was like, or do you wanna make 1,100,000 for ten years? And that's when the it it kinda clicked. And he, like you said, shit, played all season without a tackle. That's insane. And and was and was the best player on the field when he hey. When I remember when the cow boys signed him and we were doing the hard line, and there there got to be talk that, well, he's a waste of money because all he does there was arguments on this, Ziggy. All he does is shut down half of the field. That's all he does. No. No. No. I'm serious. There we would have callers. What? Yes. And and they would say, well, you know, he just takes out one player. So so so they'll so so when whoever came to town, Jerry Rice, you know, well, he just took Jerry Rice out. And then That's amazing. And then John Taylor beat us. Yeah. The great the greatest wide receiver of all time when he took him out. That's how good Dion was. Yeah. That's crazy. That that that that they said, yeah. But, you know, all he does is take one player out, and they just run him out of every play. Okay. He's taking now it's 10 on 10. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Now it's And your best player's taken out. Taken out. Yeah. Like, what? It it it was insane how good he was. And and he was never it was a joke. And Dion would, half the time, get in on it. He's like, no. I'm not gonna tackle. Are you crazy? I'm too pretty to tackle. That's crazy, isn't it? It was he he was he was so much better than everybody else Yeah. When he came in the league. I mean, he he invented the term. No. It was invented about him, shut down corner. Yeah. It was invented about about Dion. That's crazy because, like, literally, all we see in the highlight clips for the people that have you know, too young to have watched him live is is the interception department, you know, the highlight plays. But like like you said, there would be games where he wouldn't have any stats, like any, but it's because he literally shut down that side of the field or that that wide receiver. It it was insane. Crazy. It it and they'd have to game plan around. It Yeah. He he was just a nuisance, and he wrecked offenses by not doing anything, by just being Dion. But I tell you what, if you threw it in his ZIP code, he's intercepted. Yeah. And when he gets the ball, I'm telling you, you can bring in Chris Johnson or Daryl you can bring in all these speedsters. I will take Deion Sanders in a football uniform on a football field over anybody that's ever played. Man. Anybody. Yeah. You put him in a football uniform. Exclusiveness was crazy. For a DB, like, to to be able to move like that, that was crazy. It was crazy. The the it was like everybody else just stopped. Stopped. Yeah. And he and he was just gliding. Yeah. He was he was beyond talented. Yeah. I mean, in in until Dion came along, a quarterback, you didn't draft them in the first three rounds. Yeah. Yeah. Draft a quarterback? Maybe a hard hit in safety Right. But not a quarterback. That's crazy. And Dion made it a glamour position. That's crazy. And he did it by not tackling. Not tackling. By playing tackle football and not tackling. That's crazy. But he was so good. Yeah. I just wish that I wish that should I mean, like you said, Shadora's gonna get a fair shake as a second string or a backup quarterback. I think that Cleveland winning helped the Deshaun Watson case, but it also I don't know. It made it very difficult in Cleveland's decision making because the simple fact is if you go o and two and then your home opener is now at you know, with Deshaun Watson, there's no way he would have started that game. But now No. He had two games to do something. Games. He had to do something. And low key, he didn't look bad second game. First game, he looked terrible. Yeah. But I think he's somebody was talking about it on the news on the newscast about, may have been Collinsworth, about how players not playing in the preseason because it's only three games now is hurting the starters more than it's helping the starters. No. It's killing them. And I think we do need to look at that or think about that because some of fact is it is only three games, but you do have to get hit first. You gotta get hit. And they don't get hit in preseason. It's it's like this right here. It's like Excuse it's like a if you're a NASCAR driver and all you do is work on the simulator. Right. But on Sunday, they throw you out there with 42 other cars Right. And go, okay. Go win a race. That's what they're asking these quarterbacks to Yeah. Because the the they only get hit 17 times a year. And they yeah. And it and That's it. They never get hit in practice. Wow. They they never get hit in the off season, and they don't play preseason games. They get hit more than that, but they only get hit seventeen weeks. Yeah. But Yeah. You know, as Ryans was saying, you know, a a minute ago, until you change the culture of the game, you would be foolish to pay your $50,000,000 quarterback to play in the preseason game. Yeah. I mean I mean, what if he does everything right and just makes one simple turn and one guy falls on his knee. And his knee's out. He's out. Your season's done. Oh, like the cowboy that kicked old boy in the nuts. Did you see that celebrating? Oh my god. Oh my god. I saw the highlight of that on Twitter, and I fucking I threw my phone. I was like, what the why would he do this? Did you? Every man in No. America So somebody got kicked in the nuts and then someone stepped off? So he got stepped the You're talking about cowboys. Right? Yes. Okay. In the cowboy game, there was I forget the player's name that was on the ground. He was hurt. Then another there was a they made a stop. The other player made a stop, whatever the case may be, and was celebrating. And he took his size fourteen and kinda, like, stomped? He's he stomped on his ankle and then his crotch. Yes. And then he like like He didn't he didn't mean to. Didn't mean to. I mean, it was a total accident. Freak accident. But But it was exactly on target. Yeah. Like, every single time. Like, what are we doing? You could not have got a protractor and got it any closer. And it's And I and I promise you Oh my god. You heard a collective moan from every Yeah. Every male. Was like, oh. I heard it. I was I was at the game. I was sitting at my house alone, when they did that, I'm like, oh. I I was I was at the game, and so I saw it happen. I was just like, oh. Yeah. With same with his his elbow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, happened, and I was like, oh, damn. What happened to him? His elbows. And that's why I don't I don't I think I don't think Tom Brady's gonna get in trouble for saying, oh, shit. No. Because, like, I mean, the entire stadium Yeah. Was like, oh, that's where people you know? Yep. Have you ever been on on the, sideline for an NFL game? You don't get that on TV. Yeah. I mean, they look like tackles. No. Right. I mean, on if you're standing there watching, it looks like a car wreck. Oh, I I have a picture to show you when we're done. It's and until you've been down there No. It is a total car. And just how fast it is. Yeah. Mhmm. Mean, you I've been on sidelines for college, but, obviously, college and NFL It's it's totally different. It's close. It's close, but it's it's it's not it's it's just so much more violent in the in the in the NFL. Like, you have to run out of the way when they're Oh, yeah. Yeah. Don't and you better run fucking fast. Yeah. Because it is Or pick the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. Don't guess wrong because you get because we always see it on camera, like, the camera people on the sideline getting bulled Mhmm. Litzed over and stuff like that. You're like, damn. Why they couldn't they get out the way? It's like, no. You gotta guess right, bro. Because they're shooting it. Shooting it. They don't they it's how close they are. Yep. They don't know how close they are. Yeah. And and then when they when they when they get up and realize it's too late, like, they're already laid out, it's like, man, that's crazy. Or they're trying to get the shot and they're like, oh, the shot's coming too easy. Is crazy. But I will say another thing that that was crazy during the NFL week. Bills dismantled the Lions, and we didn't talk about this on three wide. But was Ben Johnson the answer in Detroit? And now that he's in Chicago, which is fucking insane. I hate that shit. But the fact that he's in Chicago and that now the lions just have not figured out a way to win, Like, is is is old boy, what's his name? What's the Lions head coach? Dan Campbell, former cowboy great. Is he a real Glen Rose. You know how everybody was talking he's such a great, coach and all this other shit? Was it really the coordinators? Aaron Glenn is gone and that defense looks suspect, which by the way, their secondary is absolutely terrible because they got rid of Terry and Arnold, and they and they they look absolutely horrible. But Man, here here's what I think about Dan. I think he wanted to be an NFL head coach from the time he was born. Uh-huh. That's what he always wanted to be, and he would do anything to get that job. Remember, he was interim coach with the Dolphins. Right. And when he finally got the head job head head coaching job, I think he just went in there and thought he had to make his mark. And he tried to make his mark as being a big riverboat gambler Yeah. And just kinda coached in a real just, you know, not lackadaisical, but but but just real real wild ass manner. Yeah. Wing it. We'll wing it and figure it out. It worked for him for a few times. But it worked because of Ben. Did it? Maybe so. And and Glenn because Aaron Glenn is on that defense. He had good ones. That defense is soft now. So I'm beginning to think he might have caught lightning in a bottle. Maybe he did, and and maybe it was the coordinators. But, you know, Aaron Glenn's not exactly lightening it up with the jets, but he lit it up with the with the lions. He he did the job there. Jets defense looks good. They they look okay. They look okay. This year, they look good. And I'm I'm only saying that because we played them, but, honestly, they did the jet the most jets thing that you could do is lose in the fourth quarter, which, you know, they should have never let us score the seven. And then Green Bay just kept scoring, and but Green Bay even looks suspect right now. And I'm, as a fan, I'm worried. But I've I've got a friend of mine that's pretty plugged into the bears situation. Mhmm. And he tells me, he said, man, you don't understand. He said, this Ben Johnson, he's like Jimmy. I mean, he's he's a football savant. He Spoken crazy. He he leaves nothing to detail. No. I mean, to to everything. I hate it. And said he's he's about to start a dynasty here. Right. And now he screwed around and got one of the best quarterbacks Quarterbacks that that the past seen. Decades. And that they've ever seen in the bears uniform. And so he's got all the elements. As hell, but he's sensitive as hell. Can we just, like, bro, you can He'll have to get over that. So is Jimmy. Like, he he fucking cried over a hamstring. Who? Caleb Williams. When he everybody thought he was he tore an ACL. Know about that. I mean, I I I know, and it looked bad. It looked like It did look bad. I mean, looked like a snobbery shot. Yeah. It looked like oh, everybody was like, oh, shit. But did you see neighbors last night? Oh my god. It looks like he had his arm severed. Severed. And he popped that shit back in and got it right back in the game. But he was acting like it was severed by a table saw. Yeah. Hey. Have you ever popped a shoulder out of place, though? Yes. I have. Really? Yes. I have. Hurts like a son of a bitch. Yeah. It is. And putting it back hurts even worse. It does. I I had that done when I in high school. And then he so in high school. Right? And then he went out with another went out where there were other grown men chopping at that shit. We're seeing a lot of that now of of these players being a little overdramatic. I mean I mean, did did That was dramatic as far Jaden Daniels, did he need a cart ride for an elbow injury? Seriously. I mean I mean, did he need a ride? Valid. Valid. Because I thought the same thing. I was like, why are they bringing a cart I mean, it it but they don't care anymore. It's a different thing. You gotta you gotta make sure that they don't that that that's the only thing that hurt. Flown in my generation. Yeah. For sure. You know what? My generation's over. And the new generation, they're overly dramatic. So Yeah. I think that's true. As long as he can play football Right. Let them be overly dramatic. But that would not have flown. That that would not have flown in my day. Yeah. They would not have been able to come in. I guarantee you, Troy Aikman would not have taken a ride if he heard of Yeah. Would have walked the hell his elbow together. He he wouldn't have done it. But But I also think, like He's a little bit different era. Yeah. I think also too though, like, we've learned from y'all that era where it's like, okay. Well, what if something else is wrong? Because again, we had this conversation on three wide. The usual suspects are always hurt. So you wanna make sure that, hey. It's just the elbow. But you gotta understand that that because that was a freak accident how he fell. That Troy and pre Troy came from the era of you're not hurt. Yeah. Get back in there. Throw some dirt on it and shit. But now it now all these youngsters are, oh, you're hurt? Oh my gosh. Come here. Let me take care of you. And so they're too coddled now. Franchise quarterback, though. You're paying them a lot of damn money. No. I'm talking about when they're in high school and junior high. I mean, but, again, like, talking junior high. Troy Eggman's era, they said, you're not hurt. Get back in there. I mean, yes. But because the simple fact is that you have But but here's now I'll rebuttal that You you get these young studs now, and they say, my arm hurts, and they're coddled. But I rebuttal that because the simple fact is your era, the your era as the parents are the ones that's doing the cuddling. Because the coaches, I've seen the coaches I agree. Say, hey. No. Get your ass up and rub some dirt on it. Don't understand this. They'll lose that kid because their parents will be like, hey. No. No. My kids don't play. Don't understand is I'm in the era before Troy Aiken. Oh, okay. Alright. So I'm in an era before him. Okay? So I'm the grandparents of him. Oh, okay. Alright. Alright. Alright. Troy Troy is the parent. So you're speaker the grandma. I got you. Okay. So but, you know, back then, you you you would rather hurt than face your teammates Yeah. Of being a wuss. A wuss. Yeah. I mean, you you would. But That's what happened with Jackson. Jackson Dart was like, he they tried they took his pads from him because he wouldn't get off the field. He was like, no. I'm going back on the field. Troy Aikman was the same way. They were like, no. Get off the field. You know how they take helmets away? Uh-huh. They started that with Troy Aikman. Yeah. That's right. That started. Because because Because Troy Aikman once snuck the helmet and went back in there and started trying to call plays that were his his high school plays at Henrietta. Damn. That's how out of it he was. He was calling plays. He thought he was playing for Henrietta. That's crazy. And he was playing in the NFC championship game. So I got a question because there's been a lot of debate. Right? So speaking of quarterbacks and what they look like and what they what they you know, back in the day. Right? So Justin Herbert, I have been calling him overrated since, like, year three. Mind you, he's been in the league seven years. Hasn't done shit. He's worse than Dak when it comes to the playoffs, and he's working worse than Kirk Cousins when it comes to playoffs. But yet they still told him as a top five quarterback, And it bugs the shit out of me because it's like, you can't be a top five quarterback if you ain't win anything. Jalen Hurts on the other hand, Super Bowl MVP, quarterback I mean, he doesn't lose you the game. He's not a great quarterback. I don't put him as a great quarterback. I think he has a great team system, whatever the case would be around him. But the same thing we were talking about Dak on three wide, he's had six or seven different coordinators and still knows how to throw the ball and not lose you the game and uses like like he is the prototype of what the quarterback looks like now. Do you think like, is it time to have the conversation to get rid of Justin Herbert or that he's overrated? Oh, he he's he might be the most overrated quarterback in the NFL. I mean, he he he he Thank you. He's done nothing, but here's the deal. Yeah. He's got a lot of things going for him. Mhmm. He's six six. He's tall. Mhmm. He weighs two thirty. He's big. He's big as hell. Yeah. He's got a rocket He does. Have a rocket. And he was a high draft pick. They don't give up on them until they absolutely They gave up on JaMarcus Russell. That's all I'm saying. You know? After a while They didn't give him seven years. It it no. He he didn't give seven years. You know what I'm saying? Like and that so and that's that's maybe unfair because, like, that's a bust in in Herbert. Herbert's not a bust. But I do feel like Herbert You know who's gonna start for the bears on on sun on Sunday probably? If Caleb doesn't who the hell is the backup? Well, Badgett is is is their backup. Badgett. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he's in protocol. He's in concussion protocol. You know who may get the start? Case Keenum. You know why? Hey. Because Case Keenum is tall. Yeah. He's big. He's got a rocket arm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Think he was playing when I was still at the ticket. Yeah. No. No. Facts. Case Keenum is a playful long They don't give up on big, tall quarterback with rocket arms. But my question is, is it time to start looking at because I I honestly, I think Mike McDaniels is fucking him up. I think Mike McDaniels and Herbert are not a good match made. They're not. He's that's not his type of quarterback. He gets he he he's a tight end heavy, run these crazy schemes like he did in San Francisco, like he tried to do in Miami, but you don't have the receivers there. You got rid of Keenan Allen. You you have Lad McConkey who's in and out of hurt. And then you have the the the tight ends. But the tight ends really aren't wow. You know what I mean? And your offensive line who's been dog shit for the last four years. You know, if you look if you look at Jim Harbaugh, his career is several really good seasons around a lot of mediocre seasons. Whether it be at San Francisco Or Michigan. Or Michigan, he had that one magical season, but it's kinda surrounded by a lot of mediocre. The the opposite of his brother. Yeah. But he always seems to get things straightened out. I don't I I just don't think I think I really believe that Justin Herbert was a guy that was just over recruited. Yeah. I mean, he's a guy that was just overrated. But you look at him and like, god almighty, man. He's he's big and he's tall. He should be able to get it. And he's got that hair and he's and he's and he's good looking and, you know, he he looks good on the media guy. And he's gotta be able to play quarterback. He has to be able to play quarterback, but he can't. I said it I said it on the last episode. I'll say it again. I think the reason we don't look at Jalen Hurts like we look at Justin Herbert because they are identical to me as far as quarterback size, arm, like a lot of that. I think I think it is because Jalen Hurts is a cornball. Only thing I know about Jalen Hurts is he wasn't recruited out of high school. Right. You know, he went to Alabama. Mhmm. Kinda got screwed over there. Mhmm. Kept his mouth shut. Went to o u. Got drafted. Went to o u. Yeah. He went to o u and then did make Got screwed out of the Heisman. Yep. Yep. Kept his mouth shut. Went to Philadelphia. Very mature. Won a Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Yeah. Nobody gave him any kind of credit whatsoever. At all. And all he does is keep winning. Yep. And is consistent. And everybody kept saying keeps saying, yeah. But yeah. But yeah. But what? The guy wins Super Bowls. Gotcha. Yeah. I mean I mean, the the guy, he he always finds a way to win at the end. You may not like it. It may not be pretty. Right. But he finds a way to get the ball in the end zone. Yeah. I I I don't get it. Yeah. And and yet, it it it's criminal how underrated he is. It's thank you. He is underrated as hell. But so now it's time to get to the hangover clinic. Do you go to the state fair, Grego? I've been. Let's let's tell Grego what Hangover Clinic is. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. You again, I don't know if you watched the show or not. But the Hangover Clinic is essentially we don't talk football. We don't talk sports anymore. We just talk random topics. Oh, I'm good at random topics. See, this is I'm good at random topics. Know you would be good for Hangover Clinic. So this Hangover Clinic, we're gonna talk about, the state fairs. So the re I went to Seattle this last weekend. They have a state fair. Every state, I think, has a state fair. Right? But Seattle has a state fair in Puuya Up. I can't I still don't know if I'm pronouncing this right. I've been I doubt it. Yeah. Probably not. But it's right outside of Seattle. It's like maybe thirty, forty minutes outside of Seattle. And I went there with a friend. His sister lives there, down the block from the state where the state fair is. So we walked. First off, Seattle's hills are ungodly. I don't It's like being in Colorado. No. I've I've been No. No. No. Full House is in San Francisco. I was I thought the same thing. I'm like, San Francisco has all the hills and all that shit. Seattle Very hilly terrain. The hill is in Very hilly terrain. And, like, went we hiking. And very swampy. Which is crazy because I thought it was like know? But it rains a lot. It's beautiful. Very nice. Seattle, I I'm a it's a vibe. I we went to a high rise. We were out there. Like, you could see the pier, and the pier is beautiful. And especially at night with the the little what's they call what's that building name? The Space Needle. The Space Needle. Thank you. The Space Needle. You could see everything. It was it was really dope. It was really everybody was really nice. Did go down to fish market? I did. I watched somebody catch a fish. I've done that. I've done that before. I was gonna I was gonna do it, but the problem was it was on the the day we were coming back from the flight or coming back, and I didn't want to smell like fish on the way to the you know? But you always. First off, that's crazy. Because he's pescatarian. I eat fish. I don't smell like fish. That's crazy that you want to say I smell like like fish. Fish. Not good to smell like fish. Right. And come home to a wife or girlfriend. Yeah. To explain. That's hard explain. That's hard to explain. Second of all, don't wanna be on a plane smelling like a bat. Have you been fishing? Right. Yeah. Exactly. I've been fishing, honey. I've been fishing. That's what I've been. I haven't been in any building ever. That tuna you're smelling. Yeah. That's me fishing me fishing don't but it was it was a good time but the state fair the state fair I got a word with Washington State Fair. First off, more fish. Y'all need more seafood. Seattle is known for their seafood. There were only two booths with seafood, and one of them was named Cajun seafood style or something It's like Seattle. Thank you. Yeah. Why would you not have a Seattle seafood vendor booth or whatever the case may be? What is the fair? Was the Washington State Fair. How was it? So the state fair honestly, I had a good time just walking around just kinda like because I've been to a lot of state fairs. Really? So which one is the best one so far to you? See, I'm glad I'm asking you this one. The best one I've ever been to, state fair Mhmm. Actually was in New Jersey. Really? See, when I before I got in radio while I was in college, I did the gunfights at Six Flags. Yeah. The comedy gunfights. Yeah. The company I worked great adventure. Well, well, the company that I worked for, we would do special shows for different state fairs. So we went to Missouri. I went to Iowa. Went to Georgia. Went to Louisiana. Wow. All but Texas. Yeah. Texas. Did never did one because we were at Six Flags. Yeah. I was gonna say, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've been to a lot of state fairs. Jersey is not what I expected. Oh, man. It was it was insane. Jersey has a lot of money, so it makes sense. But, like, I didn't I was expecting to say Texas, to be honest. You know what? I'll tell you. It might have been because most of the state fairs I've been to are always hot. And we were always doing our shows, and we had a lot of leather on. Yeah. But but I remember it just being picturesque Yeah. At that New Jersey. And plus, was out in the country. It wasn't like it was in inner city. Inner city. No. No. No. The state fair is Yeah. Dow I think Dow Texas is the only state fair It wasn't far from Dallas. It wasn't far from Princeton. I know that. Yeah. Yeah. So Prince so good area. Good area of New Jersey. Yeah. So that never makes sense. That makes sense. But but like wild cowboys up there running around on that campus. Did you have the mustache then too? I had a full beard and long beard. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. I was a wild man. Yeah. I I thought you would've went with the mustache, though. No. I was a wild man back then. Okay. Alright. Was back during my call. That that that was back when I worked every single day at Six Flags from Memorial Day until Labor Day. And I mean this in the Ninety straight days. I mean this in the, like, the most respectful way Respectfully. Look like you would work at six six. You should've seen me back then. And that's the most respectful way that I was. That's right. Look like you. I look not. Believe me. No. That's crazy. Believe me. I was about 50. Oh, I saw this video of full beard and long hair. No. I was not. Did see a video of you where you were, like I think you're on the radio, and you were you I was like, there's no way that's Grego. Oh, that's me. Yeah. Bro, that's crazy. Hey. But, yeah, it was That's crazy. I couldn't believe it. And that was with respect. I I I would work every Every day. Every single day. That's great. That's how I paid for my school. Yeah. That's how that's how I graduated from TCU with no debt. Yeah. I mean, I would work no debt. TCU? TCU. That's right. You just said it. But I graduated in '87. Yeah. It was a little bit cheap. It was still expensive. It was I must say it's still a bit expensive because it was a private Christian. But I worked but I worked three three jobs. But it it it was that was the craziest Yeah. Time of my life because I would go to summer school. Yeah. And I usually had an 08:00 class. Jesus. I would go to that 08:00 class then just tear ass to Six Flags. Do shows there. Maybe he was a different Do shows. Yeah. Listen. That he he all is cool. That's what they that's what they say when they We would do all the shows, and then I would go bartend. Shit. Yes. My god. I've heard this in person. No. That's crazy. Yeah. But yeah. No. So so the state fairs But when I but when I got out, I had no student debt. No. You ain't had no debt. Zero. Listen. So what I will say is this. Right? Out of state fairs that I've been to, and I've been to, like, four, I will honestly say that Wyoming, which is technically frontier days I've been there. I've I've worked frontier days. Is I worked frontier days. I was in the I was in the military. So when I worked Days, I was doing security, but they would give us free tickets to go after you do your shift. And, man show their stuff. Oh my god. Ain't nothing like Frontier Days. We had to do a show in the middle of the arena. Bro. And I was so hungover that I couldn't remember my lines. I wasn't drunk. I was just Hungover. Hungover. That's worse. Yeah. Drunk, you kinda wing it. But yeah. So But that wound that we did in in New Jersey, we did on acid. We did it on a hit of LSD. Yeah. I'm I'm jealous because I've always wanted to try I've always wanted to try LSD. No. You don't. I'm too well, I'm too old for it now because if I get a bad if trip I get a bad trip, I'm gone. But anyway, we're not we don't condone doing drugs. Certainly don't. State Fair are you are you going to the state fair anytime soon? Texas state fair. Yeah. I'll go. I I I try to go every year. See, I used to not go, but now I have to go because I've been to Wyoming. I've been to Seattle. So now I gotta go to see if I ever met if it's better in Texas, which I doubt because Wyoming was just so great. Let me tell you about the Texas State Fair. It's bigger, but it's not better. Better. It's now it's bigger. It's a lot bigger, but it it it's not any better than Georgia, and it's not any better than New Jersey. I hate to say that as a Texan. Crazy. But it's good. I will say this, though. It's among the best in the it's top five. Yeah. I will say this top five. Beer cities, Seattle got it. Seattle has it. Like, the amount of breweries that are in, a 20 mile radius. I thought Texas was crazy with breweries. Seattle got it. Like, Seattle is crazy with beer. I didn't even know they had an IPA season, things of that nature, but it was it was it was a good trip. And, this was this was good. Gregor, you gotta do this more often, man. All you gotta do is invite me. Yeah. Justin you're a Justin Herbert hater, so I'm all for it. I'm all for it. And that wasn't scripted at all. No. Yeah. No. It wasn't because I was like, yeah. We never talked about that, but you're more than welcome now because you're a Justin Herbert hater, and I'm all for it. But this is Beer thirty Sports O'clock, and we think Herbert is overrated.