The Fire Next Door | Signal 51 Chronicles – Case 3 Pt 2

This is the Signal 51 Chronicles, the Fire Next Door.
Welcome to the Signal 51 Chronicles.
This is episode nine of the reboot, the second iteration of the Signal 51 Chronicles.
I'm John Henry.
Saying next to me is my Compadre, Jake White, retired sergeant of the Fort Worth Police
Department, and we come to you from an undisclosed location in Fort Worth, Texas.
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hour, minute, whatever the case might be.
Jake, on the other side of the table from us is our producer, Ashley.
We ask every show where would we be without Ashley.
I love y'all too.
We wouldn't work out.
The answer is we would be nowhere.
No more.
It was a woman that both gave us life in this world.
And we call her mother.
And it is still to this day, Ashley, who's given us life as a podcast, podcasters.
I'm glad I can mother something in life.
I was wondering where you were going with all of this.
I liked it.
And we're grateful to her.
I finally have some kids.
Yeah, yeah.
Definitely the maturity level of 13, 14, at best.
It worked with college boys.
Let's dive into what we are convinced will soon become.
The world famous.
Last meal segments.
I'm still sitting here eating the last meal.
Yeah, Ashley eating the last last meal, which was Timothy McVase,
Thin Mint, Blue Bell ice cream.
And this has quickly become a favorite around here, this last meal segment.
And it's not necessarily for what it represents.
No.
But because we get to eat.
And so what we do here is we explore the last meals of death row inmates.
Yeah.
Because they get last meals.
They get a request for last meal.
Timothy McVase, which we did last month.
They don't in Texas.
Requested.
Thin Mint ice cream.
Oh, they get rid of it in Texas?
Yeah, 2011.
We'll tell that story one time.
All right.
So, so we've got one today.
And Jay actually tells about it.
This one has a Texas tie to it.
All right.
So Demetrius Frazier was convicted for the 1991 murder of a teenage girl in Irving, Texas.
A crime that initially went unsolved.
At the time of the killing, investigators suspected Frazier in multiple violent offenses across several states.
They typically don't just do this once.
But they lacked forensic evidence necessary to tie him conclusively to this case here in Texas.
Shortly after the murder, Frazier left the state and was later arrested and convicted in Michigan
for a series of unrelated crimes where he received a lengthy prison sentence.
For years, the Irving, Texas homicide remained a cold case until advancements in DNA technology changed the trajectory of the investigation.
Evidence preserved from the crime scene was retested and ultimately matched to Frazier.
Confirming his involvement decades after the offense had occurred.
The forensic breakthrough allowed Texas authorities to reopen the case and pursue Capitol murder charges despite the significant passage of time.
The prosecution that followed was marked by complex interstate legal issues as both Michigan and Texas asserted interests in holding Frazier,
accountable for his crimes.
So this case, like I said, we're not doing a story on this one.
This is just the story.
That is the story.
It's a very, you know, we don't know a whole lot of details about it.
Bottom line.
But what we do know is that on February 5th, 2025, the execution of Alabama death row inmate Demetrius Terrence Frazier was carried out by
I'm not going to even try to pronounce that word, but he was nitrogen hypoxia, perhaps.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's right.
Just took a second to read it.
On February 6th, 2025, at the William C. Holman Correctional Facility in Atmore, Alabama, he was pronounced deceased by a physician at 6.36pm.
On February 6th, 2025, he had seven visitors, no phone calls.
He refused his breakfast, lunch, and dinner trays, but requested his last meal, which we have right in front of us, John.
Yummy.
This last meal consisted of burritos, chicken chalupa, tacos, chips and dip, and Mountain Dew.
All from Taco Bell.
Taco Hell.
Taco Hell is some, call it.
Now, Taco Bell.
Taco Bell it is, so.
It's not low ply in my, it's not, you know, Joe T. Garcia.
It scratches and it's when you need it.
It does.
I don't know that last meal worthy.
I would rather have chewies.
Yeah, chewies.
There you go.
So we've got his last meal, Alabama.
His last words, too, were interesting, I suppose.
So Fraser said, I want to apologize to the family and friends of Pauline Brown.
What happened to her should have never happened.
He then turns his attention to the governor of Michigan.
Gretchen Whitmer.
Gretchen Whitmer.
He says, if you cannot stand up for the Constitution of Michigan, how are you going to stand up for the US Constitution when you run for President?
A political statement.
A political statement.
Just mere sentences before his last words.
His final words before death were, quote, detroit strong.
I love everyone on death row.
Let's go.
Let's do it.
That's it.
So with that, we shall dive in to the final meal, John.
We shall sample this feast of Mountain Dew.
I would like to understand why anybody would pick Taco Bell.
No offense to Taco Bell or friends to Taco Bell.
If they want a sponsor, we'll trim out everything and actually set about Taco Bell.
And we'll add in a bunch of good stuff about it.
Exactly.
Exactly so.
I don't even know what is what in this smorgasbord of.
They're labeled fast food.
There's a chicken something.
Although, here's a taco.
That's pretty bland.
Oh, you know what?
We also have taco sauce.
I wonder what is taco sauce with.
I can't eat anything without taco sauce.
Pins on how?
Well, yeah, spoiler alert.
I don't know how it was hot.
Where's that?
What are you trying to do?
Get me to do one of those hot chip challenges or something?
Oh, oh, and speak.
Speaking of that, as we're doing this, I thought about this earlier.
Jake White at one point in time issued a challenge to himself.
A pizza eating.
I retracted it.
Remember when.
When did you?
When did you?
So, one of these shows we're going to have to do pizza and see if he can actually do it.
Eat a whole, eat a whole mama's pizzas.
What do you want?
No, I can't.
100% do it.
I'm not willing to pay the consequences.
The amount of cheese that you're going to intake on that.
Oh, yeah.
I'll be ruined the next day or two.
No joke.
When I eat too much pizza, it's bad.
Oh, we have chips and dip over here, too.
I forgot that part.
Part of that part.
Part of this fine cuisine that we're about to sample.
Mm.
That's the taco.
Bon Appetit.
Cheers.
Mr. Demetrius.
Frazier.
Yes.
Who?
Are we cheersy?
Is that what this is?
Yeah.
I find it very funny.
God rest his soul may be at some point embraced in the arms of the Lord.
I've always found it really interesting when death wrote inmates or give their last statements.
And they're like, it's so sad what happened to that person.
And you're like, well, you're the one that did it.
Now, I'm going to go on bland this.
I'm not a chalupa fan.
I guess.
You know what would be justice is you need a correctional facility named after you.
Probably awesome.
How would you run it?
Just wheels off free for all.
Cage fights.
Yeah.
Cage fights the whole shebang.
And maybe that was a terrible idea.
Every meal is the last meal.
I think it's expensive.
Oh, yeah.
So Texas got rid of their last meal.
Bird case.
What was that out of the dragging death?
Jasper.
Jasper.
Yeah.
What happened?
Wouldn't that Chris Brosky steal?
There were three guys that drug.
Bird.
James Bird.
I think it was a racially motivated murder.
And Brewer, one of the guys convicted, ordered an obnoxious last meal.
The state of Texas fulfilled that request.
Oh, it was like two pizzas.
Just all kinds of yüz a huge list.
And they fulfilled that request.
And then he got it and like, never mind, I don't want it.
One person run it for everybody.
What an awful human.
But he did drag somebody racially motivated so.
Screw him.
kind of sounds like he was an awful human anyways.
Is this what you would want for your last meal on earth?
Well, I'll say this much.
There have been times where I thought Taco Bells could be my last meal.
Yeah, I can see that.
Because one, the only way I'm eating it is to nurse a terrible hangover.
Only way.
And then of course there's the aftermath where you're like, okay, this literally is going
to be my last meal.
But you know what, in a pinch, the nutritional value is not there, but it does fill one up.
I don't know the last time I've had Taco Bells.
Been a while.
Yeah, me too.
Before we move forward, let's pause and take stock of what we actually know at this
point, the investigation in the death of 32-year-old Lauren Whitener, who was killed on the
or was found dead in the morning of July 5th, 2019, the Wise County deputies who responded
to a 9-1-1 call from a neighbor who reported smoke at a duplex at 620 North Main Street
in Lake Bridgeport, Texas, inside firefighters found Miss Whitener deceased on a burn mattress.
A couch in the living room had been also set on fire and the front door dead bolted.
Dead bolted, yes.
The autopsy determined that Miss Whitener was stabbed 18 times.
Most of the wounds to her back, smoke inhalation we found was not a contributing factor in her
death, meaning the fire was set after she had already died.
Miss Whitener was an Army veteran, a surgical nurse, and a single mother of one eight-year-old
son.
We also discovered that she was close to her neighbors, Mr. Rodney Eric Maxwell, who goes
by Eric and Ms. Ashley Hill, who lived two doors down in a common-law relationship.
Investigators learned not long after Miss Whitener's being discovered that that relationship
was actually extremely close and some would describe it as a thropal, a sexual relationship
involving all three.
Investigators collected dozens of items from the crime scene as well as a report from the
neighbors that Maxwell and Hill had gotten into an altercation on July 4th, Lauren intervened.
They all went their separate ways, Lauren to her house, the Maxwell's and Hills to theirs.
We learned in the waiting moments of episode two that deputies arrested Mr. Eric Maxwell
on charges of capital murder and arson, and they arrested them.
We have made a conclusion on some pretty thin evidence.
Seems to be what we know, like what we have access to, yes.
I think that's a fair description.
We tried to get more, but we'd, I think, got to run around a little bit, so it was
hard to obtain the documents we wanted to get.
So let's get on with part three.
This is the case that falls apart.
Okay, so like you had mentioned, July 5th murder, a couple search warrants, this thing
drags on all the way until September 6th.
When Maxwell shows up for a voluntary interview, gets interviewed leaves, placed under arrest.
Maxwell is now in custody.
It would seem like the investigation is somewhat over.
They've arrested somebody.
They add enough to write arrest warrants for them and take them to a judge and say,
judge, this is what we suspect.
Well, it doesn't stop there.
October 2nd.
So to arrest somebody, you know, let's just talk about that right quickly.
To arrest somebody, you've got to go for a judge.
So I've got probable cause, probable cause.
And the judge says, yes, I agree, and signs it.
Or no, it doesn't.
Does a detective or investigator have to show what evidence he has to do that?
Or is it just all part of a document that he documents that he lines out that the judge
looks at and the judge approves it or doesn't approve it?
Yeah, just document.
All right.
So you would think, hey, that's it.
They may be at this point after the arrest of Maxwell kind of tying up some loosens, things
of the sorts, well, not exactly.
On October 2nd, 2019, Texas Rangers interrogated.
If you remember, I talk about a person of interest.
I don't know who that person of interest is.
But they interrogate the same person of interest.
And in one of the documents that we used to source some of this information, it was from
Barry Green, the defense attorney.
This was in the motion for bond reduction.
He described these tactics of the person of interest as quote, an interrogation using techniques
which had previously been used upon the defendant end quote.
And that's where we're talking about the not so much this consensual interview.
Now one other thing, remember in August, investigators seized several items from the truck belonging
to the person of interest in Austin, Texas on November the 4th of 2019, Wise County Sheriff's
Office transferred multiple DNA swabs from the person of interest truck and that cut off
white t-shirt that had the blood and sit on it.
They transferred those to the pure gold forensics for a lab analysis.
Which we think is in California, and they're contracted by, yeah, it is, yeah, right.
So in November, case still goes on, what happens with this stuff?
We don't know yet.
But in November of 2019, Maxwell was indicted in Wise County for that capital murder charge.
We're going to reach the indictment.
So this pertains to the charge capital murder by terror, threat, slash other felony.
That's a capital felony, right?
Yeah, but this is death penalty.
There's two choices, death penalty or life.
Life in prison, yeah.
Capital murder or murder.
The grand jury for the county of Wise, state of Texas, duly selected, and panelled sworn
charged and organized as such at the July term of 2019 of the 271st Judicial District
Court for said county upon their oaths present in and to said court at said term that Rodney
Eric Maxwell here and after styled defendant on or about the fifth day of July 2019.
And before the presentment of this indictment in the county and state, a four said, said did
in paragraph one, then and there intentionally caused the death of an individual, namely
Lauren Ann Whitener by cutting and stabbing Lauren Ann Whitener with a knife and the defendant
was then and there.
In the course, this is new, in the course of committing or attempting to commit the
offense of aggravated sexual assault of Lauren Ann Whitener.
Yeah, all right.
So now we have this sexual assault introduced.
Yeah, because it was, you know, arse of capital murder and arson.
In the very first episode, if you remember, we talk about the during the autopsy, they do
that sexual assault exam.
Yeah.
Sexual assault kit, right?
Kit.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And in short, that's what it is.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, during hers, they did find evidence, i.e. sperm, on December 20th of 2019, pure
gold forensics comes back into our case.
They email wise county investigators.
In the email, I'm just going to go ahead and read the email and we'll put it up there
for people to see.
President, Friday, December 20th at 723 p.m., this, I believe, is a forward.
Here's the latest pure gold and the swiffs report.
So the swiffs is something we didn't get into.
Swiffs is that offsite lab.
It's in Dallas.
That's where they're processing a lot of that evidence.
Okay.
Pure gold is a separate consultant style out of state lab.
Okay.
So wise county is using swiffs as Southwest, I don't know the exact acronym without looking
it up.
So, Lieutenant Downs, I have reviewed the work performed by swiffs.
Well, I'm not going to quote it.
It's pretty graphic, but long story short, give us a summary.
Pure gold, scientist, analyst, reviews, some of the evidence.
Whitener did have an intercourse within about a 24 to 36 hour time period, more recent
sexual intercourse, and it resulted in a lower than number amount of sperm cells.
And more recent intercourse with a male who does not produce the typical number of sperm
cells, right?
So there's three things, the microscope smear was found to be sperm positive with a
low quantity of sperm heads, and that it happened within 24 to 36 hours.
My interpretation of this profile is that it is consistent with Whitener, plus an unknown
male, plus a possible third trace level contributor.
I believe the foreign male contributor can be determined.
And here's where it gets really strange.
All male references tested to date are eliminated as possible contributors to this profile.
That includes Eric Maxwell.
That includes Eric Maxwell, because he very readily and willingly gave them, he gives them
the sample.
But again, you go back to that grand jury indictment.
He's accused of it.
And it's there.
I mean, that's what it says.
Then and there in the course of committing or attempting to commit the offensive aggravated
sexual assault in Whitener.
All right, this is a mess.
Let's go back and...
I'd like to know who's on this grand jury.
So let's go back and look at all of the evidence.
What is there that ties Maxwell to this case?
It's their neighbors.
What evidence ties him to this gun?
In fact, the evidence seems to almost support a claim that he has nothing to do with
this case.
Right.
Arrested in September.
He's in custody.
You know why he's in custody?
Because the bond amount's pretty darn high.
Now, look, I'm not saying a bond amount for capital murder should not be high.
He's in custody on a three-quarter of a million dollar bond.
March of 2020.
Very green.
His attorney.
Only motion to reduce Maxwell's bond.
The motion was granted.
Maxwell was able to bond out.
We will also show some of the information in that bond reduction.
But when you read that, again, is it one-sided?
Sure.
Very green is a defense attorney, right?
That's his interpretation.
That's his side.
Yeah.
Okay.
But when you read that, you have to ask yourself, what do they have?
Because they gave, so the discovery packet, the prosecution gives very green, what is described
as over one terabyte of evidence, where I still have the questions is, what do they have
that ties this Maxwell guy to this?
So you would think you read through this bond reduction motion.
You're like, oh, man, I mean, they got to drop the charges on him.
Yeah.
I mean, how's this even continue to go?
What do you do?
No, they don't.
It was not until September of 2020 that the charges against Eric Maxwell were finally
dismissed.
So like a year later, one year later, after his arrest, they finally dropped the charges
on Maxwell.
But where does that leave us?
Empty handed.
Nobody.
Yeah.
Whoever killed her is still out there.
Yeah.
They have evidence that they could test.
I would think.
Right?
Well, they got all that stuff from Austin, one of that stuff is.
Who knows?
And that's the thing.
I think if there was something to that Austin evidence, I would hope.
I would think that they would probably pursue that.
But the reality is, is we're five and a half years later.
Damn, and a foggy idea.
Nothing.
So I have a question.
Mm-hmm.
If the door was dead bolted from the inside, how did that person get out?
Yeah, great question.
How did she, did she dead bolted, and then somebody was with her, and then they left
somehow?
But if...
The back door, through a window.
Yeah.
Like, was there any evidence of somebody leaving the house?
Well, there was evidence, but unfortunately, it wasn't found or noted until after the civilian
restoration.
Restoration, man.
Restoration went through there.
They're not following practices more than likely.
They're not following practices and procedures.
Because if they're there, they're thinking, well, it's not a crime scene anymore.
I don't have to.
That's a good question.
I mean, they didn't clean this house under any supervision of law enforcement.
I'm sure that is...
That supervision of the news cameras, it's on, we'll post that video.
They just, they just went in and started cleaning.
Started cleaning.
Is anybody questioned who...
Well, real quick, though, going back to your, to your about the locked door.
That's a fair question, right?
Everybody has this fear of the boogeyman coming in through a window and back door, kicking
in a back door.
Well, the back door wasn't kicked in.
Mm-hmm.
Perhaps it was unlocked.
The reality is, is that's pretty rare.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
I'm not saying that these dudes won't sneak in through a window at four o'clock in the morning.
Right.
But, here's what else?
Also, in the case, somebody has a key.
Dead both, though.
Mark, are you locking that from the outside?
You can't lock it back from the inside, but here's the other thing.
It's a duplex.
If this was a house in the country with no neighbors,
I'm good with the idea of nobody hearing somebody getting stabbed to death 18 times.
It's a duplex.
I find it hard to believe, because let's assume, let's just, let's just play an assumption here.
Let's just assume that she's laying in her bed asleep at four o'clock in the morning,
and the boogeyman comes in through the window or through the back door and just immediately
starts stabbing her.
Right.
Outside of a fatal wound on the first stab, which could happen.
Right.
She kills her instantly.
Outside of that, what do you think her first reaction is going to be?
It's going to scream.
Scream.
Yeah.
Loudly.
And she's got a wall neighbor.
She has a neighbor who shares a wall.
The other thing is keep in mind her background.
I mean, she's a combat veteran.
Yeah.
I'm not saying that she's highly trained and hand-to-hand combat or anything of the
sorts.
I'm not saying that.
She's not just your run of the mill.
I've never been faced or trained in any kind of scenario like that.
Combat danger.
Right.
They focus on that bottle of charcoal, lighter fluid, and you remember the red gas can.
Yeah.
I forgot to touch on this.
They saw it on Maxwell's porch on July 11th.
They are investigating an arson.
Correct.
Correct.
You would think that that would be valuable evidence item.
A valuable evidence item to see.
They didn't, they didn't collect it.
They didn't collect that until a week later.
Okay.
But here's the other part of that.
How likely is it that this person, guy girl who knows, remember there was girl DNA on
battery two, who knows who killed her?
How likely is it that they go in there?
I think the goal was to completely set the house on fire.
They failed at that.
Because why else would you set the couch on in the front room and in the bed, right?
You're hoping, hey, this fire is going to spread right.
It's highly unlikely that the arsonist is going to take the accelerants with them.
Because if in their mind, hey, this thing's going to go up in flames, catch my house on
fire.
Well, so too is it would be a gas can.
No two would be the charcoal lighter fluid, right?
Yeah.
Because that was one thing the lab did say her, her body had a, the accelerant would have
been consistent with that lighter fluid bottle they found.
You're taking that with you.
You're running out of the back door carrying a bottle of charcoal lighter fluid in a gas
can.
No, that'd make any sense.
The trail of blood.
I have not seen these.
I've only heard of these.
There's crime scene photos that show investigators on or around the night of the murder in the backyard
where that trail of blood, that single blade of grass theory emerges.
Could they have transferred it?
Sure.
And if there was a trail of blood, this 50 feet long, I mean, to me, a trail would imply
that there's hundreds of blades of grass at least you submit one to the lab.
That's odd to me.
But investigators also could have tainted that trail too, just walking around back there
and doing all that stuff.
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
And I don't think there was any ill intent.
No, no.
And again, I mean, here's the reality.
So Wise County is what one could consider a safe community, right?
Yeah.
Not a whole lot of people get murdered in Wise County.
No.
In fact, I bet that's the only one in, maybe they get one a year, the entire county, right?
Well, and again, not a knock, not anything more than sometimes experience means something.
Certainly.
Certainly.
If you investigate 10 murders in one year, you're probably pretty damn proficient.
Yeah, exactly.
If you investigate one murder a year or one every other year, you're not going to be
as proficient.
And those murders once a year is probably a layup case.
They probably know it could be like a domestic.
Domestic thing.
Yeah.
A drug deal.
A drug deal.
Gone wrong and all that stuff.
Yeah.
There's probably not a whole lot of investigating that they actually have to do.
I wish, I mean, I wish, you know, we asked for, you know, we did our open records request
for the arrest warrants, the search warrants.
We got to run around.
Go here.
You know, I go to the county clerk's office and go to, I can't remember.
I don't remember the exact order, but the reality is that what we needed is in that investigative
file, right?
I mean, and again, we're not asking for anything, we're, we're simply just asking for the search
warrants and arrest warrants that went into that case, then, you know, we didn't get
them.
And that, it is what it is.
I mean, you know, obviously it's still, I would hope, and open, and active investigation,
but we conclude with there's still somebody running around.
Absolutely.
I highly, likely, they're not in wise count anymore, but who knows?
Like there was some things that confused me.
So the mattress, they never took that, I mean, that's very much a part of the crime.
Yeah, it's a key.
Take that piece of the crime.
There was blood splatter on or near the bed, I guess.
Yeah.
I don't know that that was ever analyzed, because that's one of the other things.
If you stab somebody 18 times, do you think that you're coming out of that scot free?
Of course not.
They confronted Maxwell the day of mere hours after they made no note of any cuts on his
hand.
Yeah.
Anything.
I mean, OJ had the notorious cut on his middle finger.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, I mean, it, this is where we're ending.
I mean, you know, like I said, hopefully it's still active, hopefully they're still looking
into it.
Hopefully some of this evidence is being examined.
So if, okay, one thing, and this is a, so why were, so how many fire alarms were there?
And did they check to see if there were any hooks under fire alarms?
Any what?
Hooks.
What do you mean hooks?
Yeah, the, the kink community makes fire alarms into hooks where they can hang them from.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
We're in total four smoke detectors.
Three, only three of them had been removed from the ceiling.
They found those.
And then the batteries had been taken out of the three that were removed and placed in
the trash.
Interesting.
So they didn't remove the fourth one?
They may not have known, you know, it's one of those things where you've, and that's the
other thing.
I mean, you, do you check three, why wouldn't you check four?
Because what if it was in a back corner of a room?
What if it was something?
They just simply overlooked it would be my thoughts.
They're probably in a hurry either, you know.
I would think.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the last time I lit a duplex on fire, that's, you know, I, what I did, I let
one slip away.
On my favorite things to do, guys.
Oh, I know.
And then where's the, where's the kid's dad?
That's a good question.
No, no.
No, no, no, where the dad is.
I mean, again, I'm not, I mean, I, you know, she, the primary caretaker of the child.
From what I could tell, yes, that's, that's what it appeared that she was.
And, and he probably, you know, if that's the case, dad probably had the kid for maybe
the summer, possibly, who long extended, or for the fourth of July.
I mean, we did try to, I mean, we reached out to multiple people to try to get an idea
about Lauren, maybe to get some background.
You know, that's a sensitive topic.
So, you know, nobody, nobody, simply, frankly, nobody got back with us.
Which, you know, I understand, I mean, they probably don't want to, you know, feel that
open.
Because I mean, you would, you would think one of the people that they were looking, maybe
they did, is dad, just because intimate relationship, maybe, violence is a thing.
You know, if she was involved in this, threple, you know, you know, there could be a whole
lot of people who don't like that.
And I have, she knows.
I have no idea what this means.
I'm not in any way, shape or form, pointing a figure of suggesting, promoting any kind
of theory in this.
But one of the things on her Facebook page, almost exactly one year before, she leaves
a positive law, or a positive review for a law firm.
I think it was just general.
I don't want to say without actually looking knowing for sure.
But, you know, I mean, I thought that was interesting.
I mean, it just doesn't seem, and maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe they're like, hey, send us our five star review after we've helped you out.
I don't know.
But I thought that was kind of, yeah, kind of interesting, could be a friend.
But I mean, here's the problem though.
Like right now, there was so much available, there was so much of this case that was made
available to the public that it's almost as if they're begging for you all to solve it.
Well, or it, but I mean, anybody they come across, there's so much out there to where it's
like, okay, so now they know a defense, like we need to answer this question, this question,
like provide, like there's, there's so much available information out there that it's
going to be hard, because at this point, any other suspect is going to be able to answer
many of these questions, whether they're fact-fiction answers, or if you haven't answered
two of these questions, yeah.
Did they look into anybody she served with, or how long, and was she out of service?
She was out, we actually did try to, that was one of the people we did try to get a hold
of, did not have any luck there.
So the best I could tell, she was, had completed her service, yeah.
I was going to say, because that's the big thing for me is that, that lock being dead
bolted.
Like, oh yeah.
The lock being dead bolted, nobody else is in the house, nothing else has been tampered
with, all the doors and windows are locked.
Like that is something that not the average person can get done.
And it is also, I mean, it is incredibly rare that an unknown person goes, and like I
said, there are the Boogeyman stories out there, but they're pretty damn rare.
In Lake Bridgeport, especially in Lake Bridgeport, Texas, right?
I mean, it's kind of remote, if you will, I mean, it's got to be somebody she knew, you
know, it was just, typically that's the case anyway, right?
I mean, you know, much time at a serial killer that aren't, that, there aren't many serial
killers roaming wise county, unless they're specifically looking for her.
Well, I, you say that.
I think that'd be the best place to hide, whether you're not looking for somebody.
There was some online theories of a, there was, it was a murder that happened here.
Well, I say it happened here.
The bodies were recovered here in Fort Worth, just a mere few miles from where we're sitting
right now, in fact, back in 2020 or 2021, they were found in a dumpster, and I would
call this, yeah, right?
The dumpster was set on fire, right?
And the guy in that case was also accused, I don't know if he's been convicted, I don't
know the status of it, but another house, like barely a mile to the southeast of where
we're sitting right now, they thought it was like an accidental fire had something to
do with the gasoline, it turns out it wasn't the same suspect.
Well, this, that guy apparently had a wise county tie, yeah, maybe via probation or something
of the sorts.
Again, they have his DNA sample, he's no longer an unknown person, right?
Yeah.
If he's been incarcerated, at least at the county level, like I said, I don't know the status
of his case.
So I wonder how those others were killed, too.
I believe the ones they found in the dumpster were also stabbed, I think they were decapitated.
Oh, escalation.
Yeah.
I'll say this, the specimen sample being as large as it was, I'm kind of shocked that
there was, it seems like lazy work to me, that the only person that was a person of technical
like that we've, that has been seen throughout this as a technical person of interest was
the neighbor.
Even though they were in a sexual relationship, that from what you're saying about the
mattress and whatnot in her, her rape kit, it sounds like there were at least three people
and 24 hours.
24 to 36 hours.
Yeah.
4 to 36.
Yeah.
At least three people.
And of course, Eric Maxwell was specifically excluded.
That's what blows me away.
That really is.
I mean, I just don't, that part I don't understand.
I mean, like I don't know what, I don't know the rhyme or reason for that.
You know, unfortunately, we don't, you know, hopefully at some point, this thing gets
solved, but again, we're five and a half years into it.
Well I say that we, we follow up on this, agreed.
This was.
We'll keep looking into it.
This remains a mystery, yes, and see if we can't deploy the tools to do so.
So anyway.
I was going to say, if you have to take a guess though, if we look, if we look ahead
in a year, and we keep looking into this, today, do you think that currently somebody,
who, the person who did it is somebody who's a suspect?
Well, I mean, where do you think there are no suspects in everybody's on the table?
The problem is, I mean, the evidence there set the, you know, they compared some of
the DNA samples to people they already had known samples from, and they were all absolutely
excluded.
Yeah, I don't, it sounds to me like they don't really have a suspect, I don't think
they do.
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