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They I'd probably say retweet because that's what I've always said damn right. I've never heard
you make say re X or lazy. I think some people trying to re X is kind of like, you know, you
did your old lady and then you take up with her again, you re X, right? Well played.
But I don't know. I'm never really never thought about it. Have you ever thought about it?
I haven't ever thought about it. Why not? I guess I just don't have a wide scope of thought. That's
all. That's why we get along. I'm not hurt anybody else say re X either. Well, most people don't even
call formerly Twitter. They don't call it X. It's just hey, I'm on Twitter. Like whenever I'm
needing to get on it, I type in Twitter.com. You know, one of these days, I'm going to catch on
the fact that I really need to get these things up. I don't want Twitter and all this. Yeah, that's
what I'm doing right now for the people that are pretty watching. I'm putting up a note on Twitter
in real time. Yeah. I'm putting up a note on Twitter. And one of these days, I'm going to get it through
my head that I really need to do this before going live at five. Yeah, we should also probably just
make sure you have a link to because it's great that you tweeted. But you just said,
Hoi Hoi live at five with the great David Moore. And there's there's no call to action. You know,
that podcast love. Nobody would have thought that I would be the one. Riner sports talk.
Oh, it's a big mic. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. Now I get it.
We're going to have a lightning strike, boys. What happened over there, Grego? We had a little
lightning strike outside the window. All right. All right. All right. Here's a tip for all these
Americana Lake teams. Don't do it. You said tip. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I would keep jamming.
To take a colon. Nothing but a big gen X jerk off. This is a little lighter. What?
I'm back. I think that the fact that we're going live at five should be plenty call to action.
It should be. And if you're following your dark opinion, then it ought to be good already. Yeah.
Yeah. Right. So it's a whole thing. Yeah. It's just another thing that's a vibe. It's a
kid's day. It is a vibe. Just another thing that I got to learn. Did I get a worry about?
And I got to learn. I got to the whole time I'm doing it. I'll be sitting there thinking,
wait, I'm doing I'm doing this right. Yeah. Is this going to come off the way I want? Yeah.
Am I cloud maxing? And we don't know. It never does. And I never cloud max.
What is cloud maxing? I don't know. That's apparently become the latest thing is really action
maxing with two X's. Oh, okay. Yeah. I see you would know this shows you're serious about it. Yeah.
You would know this. I wouldn't. Yeah. That's why I like having you around because you're
on top of stuff. Well, that's a nice thing about having a steps on that is pretty hip and with
things because that's where I learned all of it is from him. Yeah. Just using the phrase hip and
with things. Let's everyone know that you're that you are 30 years behind. Yeah. No matter
how hard I try. Oh, boy, this is your dark companion. Hi, everybody. We're live at five.
Once again, from here inside the nurturing biosphere of the mother ship, it is me. It is
actually, it is shooting. And it is also David Moore today. The great David Moore, our
longtime pal from the ranch report on the ticket. And every time I think of his name or say his name,
I always say or at least think of saying because I did it for so long of the Dallas morning
news. But he is not of the Dallas morning news. No longer. Things change, Mike. They do. They do. People
get older. I know they do. At least I do. Believe me. I'm right there. I was when I was when I was
when you sent the limo to pick me up and bring me over here today. I was I was thinking about
when we bumped into each other randomly in the sportatorium when Los Lobos, I believe, were
sworn through Dallas and played. That's right. Back in their heyday. Just thinking about the music
scene back then. Yes, that's right. Los Lobos at the sportatorium. What a night that was.
Would y'all two together? That's a hell of a party. It was fun. We're vibe maxing.
Seeing them many times since then, we were reacting. Yeah. Oh, y'all were excellent. I'm kidding.
In fact, I probably Los Lobos is probably up there near the top of bands I've seen the most.
Really? Yeah. Yeah. The first time I saw them was the first time they played here, I think,
when they were at poor David's pub and it was snowy and it was icy. Their bus had broken down,
but I was going to go up there and see it anyway without knowing anything about them.
And probably about an hour late, an hour before or an hour after downbeat would have been,
they come walking through the front door. They're carrying guitars in no cases or anything like
that. And they just got up there and tore the place up in that way that only they can.
And in their peak, and they still swung by the cashler, I think, about four years ago,
maybe five years ago, I think they're on their way through here again. Are they? I think I saw
something along those lines, but it's been a few years since they've been around. Like most
bands out there, they just don't do it quite as much as they used to. For a myriad of reasons,
I'm sure. Yeah. Not the least of which is the fact that, you know, those guys aren't getting any
younger. No. And the the van traveling to from one gig to another is, uh, loses it's a lure
probably when you're in your 60s like they are. Yeah. Yeah. You kind of, you kind of lose your
feel for it, lose your vibe for it a little bit. You kind of think, okay, you know, kind of you
still doing still get up for it, but maybe not every weekend. Yeah. I've kind of done this before.
So I don't know, maybe we should think about scaling back. But around here at YDC, we never
scale back. No, we just get bigger. That's right. We just get bigger and play harder. Now do we play
better? Nope. I don't know. Sometimes maybe, maybe not. We're always hustling. It's about the
process. Right. It's about being engaged in what it is you do. Stacking good shows on top of good
shows. Right. Got to stack good shows on top of good shows. Yeah. We know that we didn't need you
to tell us that. We know it. You know, who else is great? Who's that? The other David Moore.
Yes. We finally are going to wish a happy birthday. Yes. His birthday was last week. And David
will leave you have. We thought you had the other David Moore, the husband of our big boss
lady, Becca who Becca is sick. And we think David might be as well. But either way, as far as we know,
David is still with us. And so ready to his birthday last week. And we finally are wishing him
a happy birthday. Three shows after we were supposed to. In fact, I met him in your kitchen about
15 feet from here, I believe. Yes, you did. Is it in my peeling back too much?
Or is that okay? Everybody knows. Everybody knows.
So we can say with pretty good confidence that both the David Moore's are still alive at this
moment. But not getting each other's mail anymore. Hopefully. No.
There is this leads to another one. It was back when I was doing basketball. And I was actually
on the road for like a final four on the tournament. And it was one of those things was just for
the tournament. And I was riding on deadline. And I get a call. And this was back before this
tells you how back it was. One cell phone. So it's a call in the hotel room. So you pick it up.
And I'm right in the middle. And I'm trying to get this in and I'm distracting. It's going,
hey, honey, how are you doing? Oh, good. And like carry on this whole conversation. And it's like,
well, it's my wife. And it's like, it's very awkward conversation. And then I hang up. And I went
that call one for me. That must be there was like a basketball rider at USA today called David Moore.
And I was talking to his wife. And she was, and I talked to him the like the next day and she's
going, yeah, he was, she was very confused. But she kind of, she said it didn't sound like me,
but it was kind of was one of those, you know, like she was distracted too. We were both just kind
of like talking. And it was like, something's not right here, but we're right in the middle of it.
Yeah. Neither one's ready to say, are you? Yeah. Uh, what, uh, what do you mean? That's a David Moore
story I haven't heard. I haven't heard that either. Another David Moore story I haven't heard
is this. Why are you not at the Dallas Morning News anymore? Nothing to fear. Just tell us
whatever you want to write down. No, I'm very open. It's, uh, love my time there. I think it's still
how most people in the area identify me with what I do. If, if indeed, I'm identifiable at all.
But it was just, it was a point of, um, you know, I'm in my upper 60s, uh, had done a beat for a
long, long time when you look at the, um, I mean, I was in Dallas, Fort were sports for like 42
years is what it comes to. And, and a lot of that is, uh, covering a beat whether it's covering the
mavericks, whether it's covering the cowboys, whether it's covering the NBA overall. Um, you know,
when I started out in Fort Worth, I actually started out covering this thing that was called the
Southwest Conference. Uh, yes. I remember. So back in the basketball, hey, days with uh,
Faisalama jam and all that. So it was, it was great, great time during that period. Um, but, you know,
especially in today's 24, seven media world covering a beat, um, you have to be,
if I may borrow a phrase from Jerry Jones, all in. And I know there's some, there's some debate
over what all in means to Jerry, you know, what it means to other people like that. But, but really,
I mean, it, it is just, it is all consuming. And, you know, I just can't tell you the number of
dinners with family or, you know, just trying to, hey, let's go to lunch with a friend that just
get wiped out, you know, like two seconds in or you don't even make it there. And, uh, never
resented that. That came with a job. I mean, I just, you know, I love the relevance of being in
the middle of things and, and, uh, hopefully being on the front edge of things, you know, too,
on where things were going. But it was just a, uh, it seemed like the right time for me to go.
And there were other good people at the morning news who, uh, been doing good work for a while. And,
you know, it was just, uh, it, it made sense at the time. That story sounds very familiar.
Plus, you want to leave before you get run out of town, right? Ideally.
Ideally. And, and in today's media climate, I don't care who you are. Um, or it can change dramatically.
It can happen. And, uh, so I didn't want to, I mean, I invested so much time there and, and, uh,
have such good, uh, memories of it and feelings. I, I didn't want it to be a contentious thing at
the end or, or feel bitter or like, you know, well, how could you treat me this way? Because
no corporation really, they owe you a certain level of treatment on one level, but they are a
corporation. You know, I mean, it's, I, I, I get the, I get the business realities. And it's a,
it's just such a chaotic and tumultuous landscape in media right now. Um,
I just, I still felt good about things. I still felt good about what I was doing. Um,
there were still some avenues for me to, to keep my hand in a little bit like I am now. So I
just decided that was the, the best thing for me at that time. No, you did great over there, man.
You were one of the true grades that they ever had over there. And one thing that I always talk
about and people may not know about you because you were on the Cowboys beat for so long
is this. I have never seen anybody toggle from one major beat to another as quickly and easily
as I've seen David Moore toggle from football to basketball from Cowboys to Mavericks. And
that's, that have the couple of times while you were there, didn't it? Yeah, I did. Yeah. And
thanks. Thanks, um, um, love doing both. Um, you know, the, the kind of progression, if you will,
I actually, my first nine years in the market were at the Fort Worth Star Telegram. And that's
where I did, like I said, Southwest Conference Basketball, TCU football, um, then went from there
and did, um, did the Mavericks, uh, right when they started out. In fact, I did the Mavericks
the first year they made the playoffs, the, the Moody game, the Moody Madness game was there for that.
Then did, uh, Cowboys for two years, the final two years of Tom Landry and the sale.
Um, then I left and went to the morning news, did, went back and did NBA and Mavericks for like
the first nine years or so and then wound up back on the Cowboys, uh, after that. So yeah, two
tours of duty on the, uh, um, on the Mavericks and two different tours of duties on the, actually
three on the Cowboys. So, um, yeah, and, and, and love doing both, love going back and forth.
And it is interesting because people still, um, I, I, I can tell how long they went back
because some people will go blast me basketball stuff and nothing about football.
Other people ask me about football and go like, well, what would you know about basketball?
So it's just, I mean, it's, you know, it's just that the train keeps moving. You just keep going.
Not everybody can do it though. I mean, they're all about, I mean, most of the people I know
and have known at the morning news, either did one thing or the other. There was just,
they pick a lane and go. Yeah, I think you know, or, or they, or they don't stay with the beat
riding aspect of it as long and then jump off to be, uh, a general columnist or a feature writer
if you can. But, but yeah, you don't see a lot of, of, of the, the total immersion in one
beat and, and another and going from one to another, unless it's a, a very young person who, um,
was really wanted to do one sport, but just wanted to get in and get their foot in the door
and then like you're waiting for their, their chance to go to the other, you know, but yeah, I mean,
you look at, um, Evan Grand, who's been there a long time now. He's a baseball guy. Yeah.
Can't imagine him doing anything else. Normally you're one or, yeah, you're one or you're not
a dual thread, if you will. Yeah. Well, I feel like Evan's just trying to get in on the food
beat now. That's what he really wants. He's trying to get Sarah Blaskovich kicked out of a job
which is very uncool. He would like that. I know he hates her. There's a lot of tension there. Oh,
I know. We had him on and like, he got it with a knife. Oh my gosh. Awful. Yeah. It created
some pretty uncomfortable vibes when he was in here. But hey, Evan, that didn't get even cut
with a knife anymore though. We just kind of shoves it all in his mouth. He didn't use utensils much.
So, um, but David Moore lands on his feet. He re-emerges. Not just mere seemingly mere minutes
after you stop noticing his byline in the Dallas Morning News. It's back. Tell us where you were
back at and tell us how this came about. I'm back at D Magazine. And this was,
talk some people and actually I left the Morning News after the draft last year. So that would have
been, uh, end of April, early May. Um, and at that point, you know, just wanted to step back and
say, well, I kind of want to, uh, I certainly don't want to have the, the not only day to day,
but hour to hour responsibilities of the Cowboys during a season. But, um, I still feel connected to
it. I still know people out there that I can, uh, call and get some information on that I think
would be of value to consumer. So do I want to do that? And, and so I gave it some thought and, um,
I, I, you know, determined I wanted to do that. It kind of whatever level. And, um, yeah,
D Magazine was, uh, was gracious enough to say, yeah, that would be great. So, uh, right,
once a week for them during the season, um, we just kind of play it by ear out out of season,
but um, it factors in about two things a month with them. And, uh, still keep and do, do things
with the ticket as well, which I enjoy very much. And so, uh, those two things, it still keeps me
connected, but not, not the, uh, you have no life connection. You know, not the grind. Yes.
Not the grind in the kind. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, that's good, man. That's great that you still
getting to do something. Yeah. Now, like I said, I love it because I still, again, I'm still
fascinated by the, uh, the sports personalities in the area, the, the ongoing conversations,
the, the strategy of putting a team together. Why would you trade, Micah? Why wouldn't, you know,
how do you proceed now? Why did you ever do that? Um, it, it, it's just such, uh, it's just
such a, a, a beating heart of what Dallas is sports. It really is. And, and I think more so than
a lot of places, um, this is true in other places as well, but this is a, this is a major city
where most of its celebrities are really still sports figures, I would argue. And it's not that
way in every city. Um, but, but I, I do think Dallas is still still kind of that way. I think they
treat a lot of, uh, athletes here is, is kind of, uh, is royalty. And you've had some very high
profile athletes come through here that have, uh, cut quite a figure for themselves.
What did you think when they found out that traded Micah? And were you surprised by that?
You see that coming? I initially, and again, I was, I was starting to cover the, um, initial
last specs of, of that in the spring, um, this last spring. So, um, I, I was there at the point
where Micah called Jerry and said, Hey, let's talk. And then they had that talk. And then that
Jerry came out of that saying, basically, Micah and I have an understanding, you know, we'll get
this worked out. At that point, um, I thought it would get done. But I also knew of the pushback
on Micah's side. And just to probably so hit, you know, his, look, Micah made this much more,
when Micah and Jerry Jones both went offline to talk directly and went offline from the
standard procedure of how this was done. It introduced a different dynamic to it. Now it was
basically, okay, you and I have a handshake agreement. We'll let Stephen and your guy work this out.
You know, but we've got it. You know, this is just the details now. And that, that set up a,
a, an untenable dynamic in my mind in a lot of ways. And, and in my belief is, I think Jerry
Jones knew he was doing it. And he knew that this could go wrong, but he thought this was the
best way to accelerate it. Well, the longer it went on and then Micah, uh, becomes convinced,
Hey, look, you shouldn't have done this. You know, you, you still want me to represent you,
because if you still want me to say, David Mulligatta, if you still want me to represent you,
you've got to get me the power to represent you, because I'm doing it in your best interest.
What you did was not your best interest. Now you're going to back off and let me do this,
or do you, do you want to, you know, proceed basically without me on this. And, and I think,
I think Micah realized, Micah realized in his exuberance that he had overstepped and was going to
make this whole process more difficult. But then I think he felt that, okay, well, Jerry will
understand that and kind of let me out of what we talked about. And Jerry was like, no, and Jerry
very much went back old school and it was like, and, and I think why they did had the handshake
agreement. And you still listen to Micah, Micah didn't say that didn't happen. And remember,
and I know a lot of people jump on Jerry Jones for this, like, well, he knew that deal wasn't
going to be binding. This isn't how you do work. Remember, Micah called him. Jerry didn't call
Micah. And say, hey, Micah, come into my office. I want to talk to you. Let's, let's keep the
agents. So keep Steven out of this. Let's talk. I called him and said, let's call him. In fact,
he was flying back that day. I think from Abu Dhabi or something. And Jerry said, well, no,
sleep. You know, let's do it the next day. Come over here and they spend a couple of days together.
But, you know, and Jerry's mind, this is going back to, you can't tell me all the right things,
shake my hand the way I shook that this is all going back. I'm thinking like Ocean's 11,
you know, I'm like, he shook the nother's hand. That means something. Well, Jerry shook,
Michael Irving's hand. Michael shook the hand of all those guys. And they said, Jerry, we have a
deal. So in Jerry's mind, when they shook, Michael was telling Jerry, we have a deal. And now it
goes from it's not just the monetary element of it. Not only to diminish that because he got more
in Green Bay than what they were offering him here, clearly. But it was, well, you're not a man
of your word. So now you suddenly have something else. So now it's the principle of the thing.
Yeah. And now it's like, oh, well, a handshake deal was good enough for Michael Irving and
Emmett Smith and all these other guys. So you're not, you want to be the face of the franchise,
but you're not willing to, you know, have an agreement with me. Remember, you came to me. So
when it got to, when it got to training camp and he still hadn't been,
in my mind, the rhetoric started changing in that first week. And while I wasn't there every day,
I started saying, I don't, I can see him being traded now. So I really thought, I really thought
that first week in camp. And I don't remember what it was listening to it casually from afar. But
either it wasn't the opening press conference, but within the first three days of camp, Jerry
said something. And Micah said something in different settings that I went. Now I don't know if
they're going to be able to work through this. Now at that point, you're still saying, well,
he'll just keep them and force them to come back here for this year. And then you go from there.
And you'll be traded. But now within the first week of camp, I really felt this was not,
this had gone horribly wrong for both sides because Micah didn't want to leave either.
He just, I believe it. I mean, he loves and he appreciates everything that being a cowboy
means for a player's career. I believe that. And you still, and you can say, oh, you can get that
anywhere. Look in the broadcast booth and tell me how many former cowboys are in prime broadcasting
positions compared to other athletes who are every bit is engaging. Every bit is interesting,
articulate, good communicators, still disproportionate cowboys. And there's just more,
what they're not is former cowboys. Exactly. Exactly. And so Micah understands that. And Micah
gets that. And Micah had a very successful podcast because of that as a player. You know, so
in some ways, they're almost like too much alike. Jerry and Micah, you know. And I think they both
felt, well, yeah, but Jerry really likes me. And I think Jerry, Oh, Micah really likes me.
And I know he's a young guy. I don't want to under, you know, he's an incredible talent. Man, he can
cow, what a great, you know, face for us going forward here. Yeah, let's do this. But it just
just a little too much alike. And again, the way it unfolded and, and the handshake agreement
that when I was, I, I really became convinced that it wasn't going to work at that point.
And I think you do still see that Micah understands that power that Dallas cowboys has because
he's still showing up, you know, from time to time. He's still quite shy. Yeah. I know he was at
a stars game, but I think he exchanged a jersey with one of the opposing players that still made
it feel a little weird, but he still knows that keeping some clout in Dallas as a smart move.
Yes. No matter where he's playing. Yeah. It still just seems to me, though, like, you know,
all of that notwithstanding and all about being what it is, it still seems to me that there was
a path, however finite in there somewhere for this to be worked out. You know, and, and,
Jerry will say this isn't true. A lot of people said, and in fact, initially, I was going like,
the thing is here, Jerry has another, Jerry has many phrases, right? I mean, we used every Jerry.
One or two, you know, don't let your money get mad. Yeah. And I know a lot of people on the
outside believe that Jerry let his money get mad in these negotiations with Parsons. He will tell
you he did not that this is, look, this is a guy. When you look me in the eye and say, I'm going to
do this. And then the moment you're out of the room, it's like you forgot the whole thing happened.
I have a problem with that, especially a guy at your level. And so, so I think at that point,
Jerry was more willing to look at the options for my Parsons. Now, it's, you know, so I don't,
I don't believe his money got mad. But I believe he started going, I think Jerry sees a little bit
more of the value. And when you listen to him talk about the older days with the, with the,
you know, Irvans and eight men's and, and, and, and, and Smith and everything, you also hear him.
I think we're, you hear him a little bit more talk about the importance of, of leadership that
goes beyond just a great talent. I think Jerry's always swayed by talent. But, and I think,
I think every sports team runs into this. And I think it, I think it hurts more. You see it
more embasketball than any other sport because if your best player is not a true leader, I think it's
very difficult. If you're, if you're best player done by in it and approach it the way he or she should,
on a basketball team where there are only four other people in the court, I think it really
shows up and it's hard to get to the ultimate goal, which I think is a little bit what went on with
the Mavericks. Now, you can, hey, there's a lot to disagree with there. But, but that was a
genesis of it, right? You can tell by what Nico was saying and everything that was like, well,
it's this guy a leader. I, I would argue you, you heard the same things about Charles Barkley,
for the same things about other, you know, outstanding athletes. And, and, and again, 24. But,
but, but I think Jerry's he's gotten older and he's looked at what this team has not done
for so long. I think he's looking at, well, what is different now than what then? And I,
and I think he looks at the overall commitment of the players he's paying the top money to.
You know, that's the other reason I think. Look, Jerry brought it all on himself and then he
doubled down, tripled down and called droopled on the whole all-in thing. And what Jerry meant when
he was saying all-in was, you know what? I'm, I'm going to make Dak Prescott and CD Lamb
and CD Lamb. Either the highest paid or among the top two to three highest paid players that
they're positioned with the understanding that that's going to leave a short and other areas.
And so you're going to have to make up for what we lack in depth. You're going to have to lead
us back there. And I've determined by paying you this money that you're the players we can get
there with, but you have to perform in every postseason game going forward. You know, we don't have
the, you don't have the latitude to have a one for 12 game for, you know, for CD Lamb or, you know,
Dak, you can't have these horrible first half you've had, you know, before you rally in the second.
And so I think when, when Jerry committed and paid them the contracts, he was saying,
look, stars went in this league. You're my stars. I'm paying you like stars. But now you have to,
you have to deal with everything else that goes with that. So I think that's where there's been
a change in Jerry over the last three years or so in my mind.
Is this a change for the better or the worse or how do you read it?
Well, there was also a very long-winded way of getting into. That's why I think
another reason he was willing to let Micah Parsons go. Because I think he felt that
Micah didn't have the same
leadership and commitment to leadership even though he talked about it a lot.
I can also tell you, Micah talked about it a lot, but guys in locker room were rolling their
eyes when they heard Micah say all this stuff. You know, Micah knew what to say. Yeah. And it all
makes sense. It wasn't there in his hands. Somebody was going okay. Yeah. And again, I don't
want to make too much of that either because you still, you win with great players. And he wasn't,
he wasn't disruptive in the locker room. He doesn't, you know, I would argue keeping Mic,
in fact, it would have been preferable to keep Micah because, you know, you're, you're that
Prescott. You have other leaders in that room. Yeah. I think Tyler Smith is another, I mean,
you have guys who have that strong leadership core. As long as you have enough of them,
you're fine because because Micah is not a confrontational guy. He was not a guy that wouldn't
want to go along or cause any problems in the locker room or or not work. So I think sometimes
players can make or fans and people in the organization can take too much of that.
But where it could potentially become a problem is if a player believes that, well,
if I'm the highest paid defensive player in the league, I am a leader. And so I have to start
acting like a leader even when you're not. And then you say things about guys and then that
becomes an issue. Yeah. So I think that wasn't the reason Micah's not here. But I think they were
justifications for Jerry as well and that, okay, if if Micah had the same approach that that did,
I think he would be here. Yeah. I think I think he would. But that being said, I look,
no one's been more hardline with Jerry than that, right? But he's here. He was disciplined.
He was on point. I think Micah could have gotten the same thing here. But I think Micah was a
little conflicted on all that too. So look, they, they, and it's the same thing with Luca,
but it comes down to what do you get in return? Okay. Even if you disagree with the deal,
what do you get in return? Well, okay. Then on that note, let's, um,
spell the segue over to the other side of things. Where were you and how did you hear about the
trade? Everybody, everybody that comes in here, I get them to tell their story because everybody's
got a story. Only Luca trade or the Micah trade? I mean, of the two, you got to admit the
Luca trade is far, far more shocking. Oh, yes, yes. The, the Parsons resonates because it came
so quickly after Luca. And what was part of the narrative then? You know, even, even frustrated
downtrodden Cowboys fans were going like, well, stupid as Jerry as he would certainly never trade Micah.
Like they just traded Luca, you know, you know, you know, you're not. So it was, well, again,
it's the whole, hey, as bad as we are, at least we're not as bad as them because Jerry knows,
you know, not to trade Micah. But Luca, that was a, that was a Saturday, that was a late Saturday evening.
It was, I usually stay up fairly late that night I did not stay up because I was about to, I was
leaving for the Super Bowl the next day in New Orleans. I just been out like, you know, a couple
of night, been out. And so I went, well, I'm going to go to bed a little bit early, catch my flight,
you know, and get there. And so I, I wake up the next morning. And before I go the paper,
I'm just kind of like waking up. So I'm like, reading my phone in bed. And Tim Kalashaw
has written this ridiculous column about the Cowboys trading, you know, you know, what if they,
and I'm reading it going, it's not April 1st. What, I mean, this is just nonsense. Why would
Tim do something like this? This is just ridiculous. And I said,
which free reign to talk about whatever. Yeah. And I said, in fact, he's actually riding it like
it happened. This is just absurd. I don't, and I went back and I read the top again. And it's like,
what is he trying to get out here? This just doesn't make sense. This is how the blue. And then,
I'm going, well, wait. So then I start, look, checking my timeline and from like, you know, what,
1145 or 12 Saturday night on, it was just like, what in the world? So it's like, it was so ludicrous to
me. I really thought, and look, I often think Tim's an idiot and tell him so. So I mean, that's
no, that's no surprise. But in fact, I told Tim that and he loved that. But yeah, it was just so
out of the pale. And then to, you just don't do that. You just don't do that with a generational
player. And I understand some of the issues here. And look, I, I also understand that a lot of
times we just see the tip of the iceberg. I mean, working with someone on a daily basis and what,
how they commit and don't commit and some other thing. But also you have to be very careful to not
to blow that out of proportion. You know, and you have to, you have to sit there as an organization
and go, okay, how much of this is we're just not communicating with them the right way, the
importance on these things. How much of it is he's 23 years old. You know, and he's still adapting
to this culture, which I mean, that's a big thing too. He didn't grow up here, right? I mean,
there are a lot of different factors. And when you see it daily, I think, I think some small things
can become large things. But to come to the point where a guy that had gotten a team that had no
right to be in the conference finals to the conference finals and then to come back and get a team
to the NBA finals that no one projected will go to the NBA finals in that year to do that in a
two out of a three year period. At that stage of his career, you got to hit a home run coming out
of that. You can't just do the, you know, you can't do an older guy. Look, and and the Davis is an
outstanding player, but the injury issues and at that age just it was just inconceivable. Yeah,
you can't, I mean, that you don't come out of that with at least two starters immediately and
three to four draft picks. Yeah, you don't trade trade for one guy in two parts. No, and they got
and this is, this is minimized because they, they went well above what they should have gotten in
the lottery with Cooper fly. I mean, they had what what 2.7% to get the first pick and they got
him. So yeah, but finally, we're seeing the vision. Yeah, we're seeing the, and that is so
insulting to do that. I mean, but again, that there, there was a power vacuum there that was created
by the way Cuban sold the team. Nico in the interim going, okay, we have owners who really aren't
acquainted with the league, and I have them, I have more of a voice now than I'll ever have. So
I'm going to exert myself and him having some issues with Luca that went beyond. But again,
it was horrible stewardship of the franchise and and I mean, everyone knows that.
But still impossible to believe it really is possible to get my head around. It really is.
All right, this is David Moore of D magazine. Seems weird to say it.
All right, seems weird not to say the other not to say. Yeah, and we'll have a little bit more
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antsy this whole time. He hasn't gotten his microphone time. He's in his element. He is.
I mean, if just for this space and time, he's back at his element.
Well, why do they jury won't deal with agents? I mean, you mentioned David Mulgeta,
yeah, who is Micah Parsons agent. Now, as I understand, you may know him. I don't. But from everything
I've heard and read, he is one of the more prominent agents out there. Very professional,
very good. That's what I've heard. He's very credible. He's a he's a no nonsense guy. And,
you know, when he tells you he'll do something, he's going to do it. Yeah. I think it's
it's the division of power out at the star. I mean, Steven does the contracts. And he's the one
that, you know, and again, I know people were shocked last year when Jerry said, why I don't even
know who his agent is, which the hyperbole and keep saying it became insulting to David Mulgeta.
If not Mulgeta, personally, it certainly created an insulting perception among the fan base
and those like, well, why would you say that? And look, Mulgeta deserves to be treated with more
respect than what Jerry's comments indicated in a public setting. I got to tell you, man,
that surprised the hell out of me too. Yeah. Well, but the practicality of it is he doesn't,
he doesn't get down and negotiate the contracts anymore. He signs off on the contracts. He knows
what Steven's doing. He knows what Todd Williams, which is another one they're negotiators,
that, you know, works on the different levels and does the contracts. He has people in place
to do the contracts now and deal with the agents. So he doesn't deal with the agents much anymore.
Now Jerry's always going to sign off. He's always fully apprised of where negotiations are.
They certainly talk about what is our ceiling for a player, what is our floor.
Okay, this is what they want. We can't do the deal. Are we going to do this? I mean,
no contract is signed without Jerry signing off on it and saying, sure, I agree with this.
But the nuts and bolts of doing it, I mean, Jerry's got a fight to promote. He's got a,
he's got an F1 race or whatever to, you know, run through the streets of Arlington. He's got
the World Cup. I mean, he's, I mean, he's a true CEO. He's not the, he's not the, he's not the
on the grounds operational guy anymore. But this is all, to me, this is always, I think,
why people have a misperception, a little bit of what's going on. He, Jerry does
very little of the day-to-day stuff, very little. But like anyone who runs an organization,
I think a lot of people run their organizations this way. They don't do the day-to-day,
but they can walk into the office one day and say, hey, you're going to do that, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. What are you doing, group? You don't do that anymore. You do this. Okay.
Exactly. But yeah, but if your star player is flying into town specifically to meet with you,
yeah, and essentially hammer out a deal, then yeah, Jerry's not going to be pleased when it's like,
well, just kidding, talk to my agent instead, LOL. Yeah. But see, and again, that's where I think,
I, you know, I don't think, I don't think Micah would have thought this through and,
and why should he? He hired somebody to think it through before. I'm in any, any, you know,
circumvented it. But I think, look, Jerry's has said, whatever you say about Jerry,
it's hard to say he's not a savvy negotiator. Now you can disagree with his tactics.
You can disagree with how he goes about things, but the man has been in on more
multi-million dollar deals than most people can even think of. He's going to find that glory hole.
Yes, he is. In all aspects of life. So, you know, to him, it was, I think Jerry,
Jerry is savvy enough to know that the moment he did that with Micah, even though they had a
handshake deal, he made it more difficult for Stephen to get the deal done. Because now Stephen
has to deal with Mologada and work it all out. Yeah. And Mologada is going to be upset rightfully so.
And even in a, so what? So, Stephen's going to come back and go, well, hey, hey, look, you know,
he Micah called Jerry. Mologada is going to go, so what? You know, that's not going to fly. You
know you have no contract unless it goes through me. So don't give me that. So, but now,
now you've just like, you know, everything trickles down, right? So, you just trickles down
Stephen and Mologada had to deal with this. And I think it was just very difficult for them to work
through. Could all of us have been avoided at any point? I think it would have been delayed
until this year. I think it would have been handled differently. I think he would have played
last year. I mean, what option did he have unless they moved him? They still controlled the
con. And that's the thing people go, well, you need to pay a guy a year or two early.
Contractually, you don't, you know, I mean, and if you have a problem with that, take it up with
the, you know, take it up with your union, which collectively bargains that end to every deal
you ever do. And work under a different owner that seems to take his deals to the absolute end
of an off seat. And whether it's, and he always, almost always winds up paying more. Sure.
But he also gets to draw out the drama. Exactly. So, that's very much keeping him relevant. I mean,
you know, it's, this is dated now. I said for years, they were the Kardashians of the NFL,
you know, that, that it was just about who they were, not what they did competitively,
or as far as competitive relevance. I'd had nothing to do with it. And you still see that,
you still see them, I mean, how do you explain them competitively these last two years,
they've been under 500, look at their TV ratings compared to every other team in the league during
the regular season. I mean, so it's, and people can say, oh, we're not going to go. We've had
enough of that. It's going to, at some point, maybe, but, but there's also something to be said
about being too big to fail. And, and Jerry's kind of built this franchise in the one that's too
big to fail. You still have thousands of people every game running into the standing really seats.
And like, there's still that demand, just like anytime there's, you know, radio ratings, TV
ratings, anything, it's cowboy's going to drive it. Yep. Same thing with the gambler Netflix show.
Like, from what I understand, got pretty damn good numbers. So, and that's another thing too.
I think Jerry, Jerry's much more reflective now, which is understandable, given where he is in
life. And with that coming out when it did, I think it just reinforced that. And what was the
other thing about that documentary too? How disproportionately it focused on the first five years
he was in Dallas compared to all the rest. Look at all the footage and all the conversations
about what was happening there in those first five years and then at a point happened after
their championship run. Jerry knows that. And so, I think, I think Jerry being in a more reflective
mood, to me, this is the, this is the friction in Jerry in turning the the franchise over to his
children going forward when he's no longer here is that, and he has for a long time, he's, their roles
are very well defined. Steven, Jerry, Jr., and Charlotte, their roles are very well defined. They
work well together. They know each other's area and don't overstep, you know, and they have
they all have a professional respect for each other in addition to the family ties in my mind.
But I think Jerry looks at it and goes, okay, I know they're in place. When I'm gone, they're
going to be able to do run it however they want. They can work it all out, you know.
But I think Jerry's going, well, okay, I prepared them to do this. But for 30 years now, we haven't
gotten back to where we were before. And do I want to go out compromising how I think it should be
done? Or do I want to assert myself more here at the end to get this thing back to get another
one before I turn it back over? And I think that is kind of where we are and where's Jerry Jones on
the, on his management style right now. All right. So he still wants to get what four more
super balls to, well, he's got to have to stay around a while to pass craft. Yes. Unless he takes
the two that Tech Shramp got, then he can add those and say he's tied with one more. So,
all right. So armed with that information and against that backdrop. And looking at it from
a football standpoint, where are we? I mean, to me, it looks like we're a hell of a long way away.
Yeah. You know, you look at other teams have been able to go from, I mean, Jackson, those are
the latest example, right? Now, they were down in the valley a long time, although they, I think
they do have a playoff gone deeper in the playoffs in the last 30 years and Dallas has. But,
you know, they jump up. It's not unusual. Chicago, look how bad they were. You see a lot of three
and four win teams that jump up pretty quick. It might, to me, I think that's why Cowboys fans
are so frustrated and should be. There have been two or three times that's happened with the Cowboys,
but they didn't, they jumped up and their window was open right then and they weren't able to do it.
I mean, the first year with DAC and, and ZEEK and that team and, and Tony Romo going out and then
winning, you know, being the number one seed, winning 13 games, I mean, that's, that's when you
have to strike and what happens, you find yourself down in the first half and you can't break through.
Every other team that's gone through, I don't think there's been another team over the last 15
years. It's been the number one seed twice, which Dallas has been and not want to play off game.
So they've been in position to do it, but they don't have postseason success. So I really think
they're closer than what it feels like. I think, I think fans feel the scar tissue and the
accumulative effect of 30 years of failures versus, well, you're just right there and
as good as this offense is and they see as the other thing in the past, sometimes they've taken
a step back in their area of a strength to address their other area. You know, I think they've
had some good offenses and then they've let some guys go because they go, we've got to balance this
team and be better on defense. But I think it's a two-year property. I think, I don't think this
year, but I think next year they should be in position to compete and come out of the NFC again.
I really do. But I say that understanding there have been about three times in the last 15
years, you can make that same argument. It just seems to never end.
And that's why it's hard to argue it will, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it just seems like it's
falling onto this cycle, but it just can't get out of now. Yeah. And that could be, you know,
it's interesting. San Francisco's championship drought is just as long, but you look at them
differently, right? Yeah, you do. You do. But the ultimate is they're in the same position.
Now, you think they're closer because they've gotten there more. And yeah, that's it. You have to
keep putting yourself back in those situations. And to me, that's what Dallas hadn't done. They've been
you know, I mean, Garrett was here nine and a half years. They never went to postseason back to
back years. At least with McCarthy, they were in the playoffs three straight years. Now,
what happened was arguably the worst postseason performance in Cowboys history came at the end of
their three years. And then that blew the whole thing up. Yeah. And the way they responded or
didn't respond in that game, I think struck to some core issues if they didn't that this team
didn't feel it had. And I, in my mind, they're still digging themselves out in that playoff
loss to Green Bay. You're still seeing the reverberations of that. And I think this will be the
first year that you really have a true reset. And you've worked through the aftershocks of that
Green Bay loss to build back to where it is you want to go. So, so for that, I think it's
unrealistic to expect them to come out of the NFC this year. But another year of free agency
in the draft. And if they hit on some good young defensive players, they should be right there
in two years, I would think. How did you feel about the work of Shotty?
I think he, I think he's good. I think he got, I hate to say something of the past last year.
But I think the defense was so bad in trading, Micah, that he doesn't, he didn't have the same
level of scrutiny on the job he did that other first year coaches have done. Because,
well, what do you expect? I mean, Jerry trade, I mean, Jerry pulled the rug out from
undrum right from the start. I think this year's going to be a little bit different. You know,
I think, look, I thought he did a very good job. I thought some of the questions you would have
about him were, you know, he hadn't called plays in six years when he took it over last year.
And I thought, by and large, you really called games well. There weren't a lot of games where
I was going, what are you doing here? But also what happened is you went along. I think the
defense was so bad, he allowed it to impact his play calling negatively. And then I think he got
into some bad habits as the season went along too. So they've just, they've, they've got to offer
some resistance on the defensive side of the ball. I think this year will be a much more accurate
gauge of what you have in Brian shot and highmer's that had coach. Do you like the things they've
done to fix the defense so far? Yes, but I also say that from the standpoint that how could they
not get better defensively? You know, and, and really they were in the position and this is,
this is a huge indictment. They were in the position of any move they make is going to upgrade them.
Yeah, you know, now I know some people are saying, I know a lot of people are saying, well, yeah,
but you tried to know some for a third and, and, and that is legitimate. But I will say
with, with the money and talent you uploaded in the middle of the defensive line, you just can't
keep them all together when your defense is as bad across the board as this is. You have to use
somebody's money to get out from under it and either with a third round pick and get out from
under the money to, to spend money somewhere else on the defensive side of the ball to improve,
and that's what the OSA deal was. Now, you look up two years from now and Kenny Clark's not here and,
and basically what they did was they get out from under OSA, but they also know they're going to have
to pay that OSA money over to Queen and Williams, you know, to extend him. Right. But, but I will say
from where the people I've talked to and just what I know, the Quinn and Williams is the type of
guy you want leading a defense, that mentality, that approach, that going after it. Again,
I don't want to oversell that. Talent is still the most important thing, but I think he has the
talent to go with it and he has a remarkable work ethic and, and, you know, for him to keep his
head in the game with the jets, his baddest of jets were for so long and it not too impact his
you know, performance. I think that's a testament to him and what he's about. So I like what they've
done. I do believe they still at this point, I don't know, there's not, I'm not sure there's a
linebacker on the market that would really upgrade them. So I still think they may need to make a
trade in that area to get a linebacker going into the draft. But if they don't get it, they can
just sit there and go, we'll get a linebacker in the first and third round. And we'll address
linebacker that way and we'll use that other pick on the best corner of past Russia and we'll
just go from there. So I don't think there'll be as dramatic of a turnaround defensively as you
saw in Dan Quinn's first year. But I mean, how can they not be better? Yeah, it's got to be better.
I mean, it's relative, right? Yeah. Well, David, I can't think of a better way to wrap things
up here with you today than by doing something I know you're going to like. Okay. And that is
viewer questions. Yay. And with viewer questions, the viewer questions segment of the presentation
today. Here's Shupi. Oh, I thought you're going to try to name a sponsor or something.
Let's see, from Waj Riz, I believe is his name, what do you believe is Jerry's biggest regret
as owner and GM? And would he ever admit to one?
Kerry admits to them after the fact, you know, he really admits to a lot, which gives them,
I think, some cover. I think that tricks run out though too. I think people to Leslie. But,
you know, he sells his moving on from Chen Galey after two years as one of his biggest mistakes.
He acknowledges what he gave up to get Roy Williams, the receiver was a mistake.
At some point, I'll be interesting to see if he says, Mike is a mistake. That's what I'll be
interested to find out down the road. It's, it's too fresh right now for him to say that. But
let's see what he says a year and a half from now on, Micah.
I think that's one to watch too, for sure. I mean, I think that, that has the chances of
outrunning all the rest of those, maybe all the rest of those put together.
Well, he admit that his ego might have gotten in the way a little too much and he was being too proud.
What's his deal?
What is this deal? Yeah, I think a lot of people go like, well, how could Jerry not say that,
that Jimmy Johnson was his biggest regret? And I would say because that was an equal separation,
you know, Jimmy wanted to go to and that's the, and because he's still here and because of the things
he said, Jerry bears the brunt of, you know, you that broke up, but it was, it was going to break up.
If, if Jerry hadn't have broken it up, Jimmy would have broken it up. And I think they were just both,
they were on the collision course. All right, Shelby asks, if David was stranded on an, on an
island, which four past or present Cowboys players would he choose to join him?
Well, I guess the key would be thinking about survival and entertainment, right?
So yeah, so I'm going two and two, I guess, here. So, wow, there have been a lot of, like,
really wonderful guys covered three to years. I'm trying to say what you've enjoyed the most.
Just look at it from that standpoint.
Well, I think Michael Irvin from an entertainment standpoint.
It would be him. Yeah, he's up there. From a survival standpoint, probably zero.
Yeah, you'll need someone else. He's
and if you're on an island as fun as he is, you don't want like constant, that constant level,
do you need a little, you need a little break. It's a little down time. I mean,
look, I mean, Troy's pretty smart. He can figure. I think he would have some survival skills to him
about how to figure out and do some things. You got to go with one of the offensive or defensive
linemen to keep you for the survival thing.
Stepnowski, maybe.
Well, he would qualify for entertainment too, I think, one point for
he would certainly know how to maybe grow some things that you could use on the island.
He would. He's in the natural lifestyle, you'd say.
You know, Darren Woodson, Jason Witten.
I got to think they're on the island there.
Troy would be there. I'll tell you, Dac is a wonderful person in every respect.
But still, you got to have a kick ass guy to get through and do all the heavy lifting, right?
You got to have somebody build stuff. So it's got to be. God, that's got to be.
I tell you what, he wouldn't talk much, but he would just do a lot of work.
Uh, uh, Smith, the left tackle who only said maybe four words the entire time.
He was in Dallas, Tyron, Tyron Smith. He would get the work done, man. He would do it. Okay.
Fair enough. That's pretty ambutalist. All right. There you go.
David might survive after all. Oh, I couldn't do it on my own.
So last question, Larry asks, are we at a point where the compensation for being a local
network slash radio beat reporter reporter is the same as do is, I should have proofred this,
is doing the same as a podcast or YouTuber online blogger. Basically, how close are those worlds to
meeting each other now? Like the old school versus the
yeah, yeah. It's, it's, but it's really tough to say because it's all, we were talking about
this a little before the show. It's just also fragmented now. Um, I mean, you can be completely
independent. And as, as long as you get the numbers, um, you're going to make more than some of
the people who cover the team now. But it's also, it's what's the content you provide. Is it all
opinion? Or is it based on what the internal thinking is? You know, I still thought, I mean,
people just get outraged at me when I would say what the, the cowboys were thinking or how they
were going to approach an issue. And it's like, how can you sign off on this? What are you doing?
I'm going, I'm not signing off on anything. I'm just telling you what this is what I'm hearing.
This is, this is what they're going to do. And this is why they're going to do it. Yeah,
when you're actually on the beat versus reading other beat reporters stories, I guess. Yeah. And,
but because again, each level of aggregation, you get farther away from the story, right? And so,
so it gets to how much really unique, insightful comment or, or insight you can bring versus just
commenting on what somebody else knows is going on. Yeah. So it depends on what you want. But,
but look, I've also said this, there are a lot of entry points into sports. I mean, it's,
it's just that the human stories, the, the sheer athletic ability, how this guy compares to
another guy, the scouting aspect, the strategic coaching aspect and, and, and building exactly.
And everyone, everyone's interested in a little something else. And that's what you're seeing,
but that's what you're seeing with all entertainment now. I mean, you're micromanaging entertainment
now. I mean, it's happened in the music industry. It's happened on, you know, TV programming,
streaming. You know, they're, you know, I tell people all the time, there, there are more jobs
in journalism now than than there ever have been. But what type of jobs are they? And do they let you
or do they lead to something else? And I think it's just everything is much more niche driven now.
Yeah. But I mean, back in the day, they used to warn us about being nitchy. Yeah.
Say, you don't want to be nitchy. Well, here, now we're all nitchy. Yes. And you have to be,
we like it. That's right. I'm just nitchy.
I was going to ask you, of course, where we go though, about Dicmoda being up for the Hall of Fame.
Your thoughts on that? Man, I hope it happens for him. Yeah. I really hope it happens for him. One
thing that that I've noticed, he spent some time with them not long ago. Yeah, we did. We did.
And one thing that I've noticed about him is that everybody that I've ever talked to that was
around then, especially as players, they all think the world of him. I mean, I don't know what it
was like when he was coaching him, you know, I mean, I think I know one who really didn't like
him at all. But now that guy, and you know, I'm talking about, yes, I do.
Is the one who is quicker than anybody to stand up and say, man, I wouldn't have been the
player I was if I hadn't have run into him. And that said, it's the daily, when you're in the
middle of it, he would drive them crazy. And you would hear, you know, I can't tell you how many
players I heard complain about Dic and he did this and he did that. All of them respect him and
his knowledge of the game and his concept of putting together the offense, especially in the team
and how he had them play. I know we're running out of time here, but he's like, we got all the time
in the world. I'm in many Dic stories, but one was great. It was on a road trip and it was in
Washington where he did win a title. And that's the other thing to me. He's actually a guy,
people point to his overall record, but he's won a championship. Yeah, he's won a championship.
And he started from from the ground up with an expansion. Yes. Yes. And he took over some really
bad teams and turned them into good playoff teams as well. But he didn't do this the easy way.
No, no, not at all. And again, that's why, but again, he's also, as you know, Dic too, he's not
the sort. He doesn't play games and political circles either. No. He's like, I don't care. Either
you like me, you're going to vote for me or you don't, whatever. I mean, that's very much, you
know, I dig it, but like Dic is and Dic is like a combination of like charming and hard ass all
at once. And like we were on a road trip and I was coming in. It was in Washington. It was going
back to the got in one night from eating dinner with friends and walking in. And so I'm walking
by the lobby bar on the on the way to the elevators. And there's Dic. So did we make eye contact
and he kind of like weighs me in. And he's gone, oh, hey, hey, oh, he's charming. Hey,
yeah, let me get you something to drink. You know, I just, I said, well, I know he said,
not just just one, you know, it's okay. So, so he orders me a beer and we're just chatting.
As soon as it's so we, so the bartender hands him the drink,
any hands at that point, I believe it was very early in my drinking days. That was beer.
I've moved on to too much harder stuff now. But, you know, so it, so I take like the miller
lighter, whatever. And he like puts it in my hand. Like I said, we're just chatting very nice.
The moment he puts the beer in my hand, he says, don't take this personally. But your profession
is a pus on the face of the earth.
Would you like to do a great conversation over the next hour?
And the other one, the other one real quick, this is a little bit longer one. But since,
since Mark Aguire just had his number retired, this involves Mark as well. And I think people
at least have some concept of the back and forth between Dic and Mark through the years.
It had a tufts and downs.
And so this is they were, they were, it was a game in Atlanta and it was just before Christmas.
And the Mavericks were playing great. Just, I mean, at that point, they were like the second or
third best record in the league. They'd won four or five straight. Really look like they were
clearly had a chance that year. And, and before the game, Dic would often like get there and
just like sit in the stands, you know, well before they came out and shoot or they'll let everybody
in. So back then, again, how different things used to be, you know, he was just sitting there in
an empty arena. So you go up and you sit to them and talk. And so we're chatting and everything.
And, and he's going, we're going back and forth. And he starts going. He said, I, it's early.
God, it's early. I shouldn't, I shouldn't be telling you this, but this is, I think there's something
special about this team. There's, there's really something special about this team. I haven't,
I'm not saying it will, but I haven't felt this way about a team. Since the team, I want a
championship with in Washington. I was going, oh, so, you know, I'm parking up. I'm rotting it
all down. It's all on the record go off. So third quarter of that game.
Like the, there, there's a big scrum under the basket. Dominic Wilkins, Mark, few players go
down. It's under Atlantis, but so it's under Dallas. Anyway, Dallas gets the ball and they have a fast
break. So they're going the other way. They would have had like a three on, on none advantage,
except Mark stayed behind to help Dominic up. Now, they allowed another defender to get back.
They didn't score right away. They had to do ball out on the side. Dicks, I rate. So Dicks going,
I'm going, you know, and then so then he sets them down and you know, he put somebody else in and
which at that point it was just, you know, you see this all the time, you know, between the two of
them. You knew they were going to be issue. But then apparently like later on that game is like,
Dick asked, Mark, you want to go back in? I don't know. You want me to go in? You won't go in or not.
You're the coach. So it kind of went like that. And so then, so you can imagine at this point,
like Atlanta beat some, you know, and and this was, this was like that was shrimp's first year.
And everyone's wearing, hey, that was another reason they felt good because that was shrimp looks
so good as a rookie. And so he plays that was shrimp the rest of the game in a marked spot. So
after the game, they lose and Dick, you know, when Dick's mad, you've seen he, it's just like beat red.
So his head's beat red and he's, he's in there. And so he's going through answer in the group and
everything. And and just before, but just for the locker room opens, you hear singing. And this was
where the Atlanta locker rooms are so bad back then, the players had to lead the locker room to go
take a shower down the hall. So they would like come out with their towels wrapped around them and
go down the hall. So you hear just like horrible loss, dead silence, all of a sudden you hear
singing. Mark singing after a loss and then comes out and he's like, hey, I'll talk to you guys
after a shower and goes to showers and, you know, so going to the locker room, Dick is one,
two word answers. Mark comes back and talks and all this stuff. And then so anyway, everyone's
kind of leaving the locker room. And I was young kind of a smart ass and I couldn't help myself.
And so I go back in and Dick's just standing there and he's just stomping his feet and he's just
there. You know, he's like wading up the box score in his hand and and he said, hey, Dick, he's going
where you want. And I said, I just have one more question. He went, yeah. And I said, you still have
that special feeling about this team. I played a hunch and he would actually, I played a hunch
and he and he looks at me and he's like gritting and he said, it must have been gas. He walks out.
I'm not surprised by that.
Yeah.
Thankfully, David's not a smart ass anymore. No, not at all.
But he is here with us on YDC today. Thank you very much for doing this. Oh, thank you.
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