Mac Still Can’t Believe The Mavericks Traded Luka Doncic | Engel Angle

So if you can see this behind me, this is the middle school football field where my athletic career met its untimely demise.
I am at Indianapolis Eastwood middle school in Indianapolis, Indiana. If you can see behind me, this is the football field where I was both a player and a manager.
That's right, in seventh grade, I decided rather than try out for the team, I was going to be the equipment guy.
Clearly one of the dumbest decisions that I would make in a lifetime, full of them, kids, don't be the football manager if you're a guy.
So then the next season, I go out for the team because it's middle school, I'm of course added on to the team.
This is how not good I was, and I think I've showed this story before. The team went undefeated, I think they finished with a tie.
And everybody, everybody on the team, I don't know how many kids are worth, 30, 35, whatever it was, everybody on the team got a letter.
But two, I'm one of the two. I will say this, the coach of this team was a genuine grade A horse's ass.
And I don't blame him for disliking me back then whatsoever. However, I do want to clear one thing up.
Many years later, there's always bugged me. There was a rumor and a myth about me on this team that the reason I quit was because during practice, a kid named Michael Robinson,
hit me so hard, it knocked me from about that blue trash can right there, all the way to the goal post.
Now I'm exaggerating, but I can still remember that hit like it was yesterday. And I'm here to say that is not the reason I quit after the season ended.
I quit because I sucked and I quit because I realized what I should be doing is sitting right here or up there talking about it and pontificating about it and telling everybody what they did wrong rather than be out there because I was awful at it.
Michael Eagle, Fort Worth Start Telegram, angle angle podcast here on the sunset lounge. Thank you for joining me as always. It is the middle of November. So of course here on DFW, it's 88 degrees.
I do want to thank God for having allowed us who live here in North Texas a summer that didn't make us want to kill ourselves.
Normally, summertime in this region is just awful. So bad that reportedly Satan himself has taken to leaving to Seattle in the summertime.
We did not have that bad of a summer. I'm talking like 97, 98 degrees. And for those of you who aren't familiar with this, the difference of two to three degrees can make the difference of your day.
And I'm not being facetious about that at all. If you don't hit 100 and you get to 98, that's a good day when you live here.
And for some reason, we'll never know we didn't have a lot of 100 degree days here this summer, which made everybody's moved that much better.
It was warm. It was hot, but it wasn't full. It wasn't punishment. It didn't feel like something out of dottas and vero where not everything was freezing cold, but hellishly hot.
And unfortunately for us on the back end is that it's just kind of remained warm. And one of my concerns about this isn't so much that I can't deal with hot or cold. It's just I've got a closet full of long sleeves, but I just need a reason to wear them.
I've got to like rotate them twice a day like that twice a day, but I have to cite sometimes where long sleeve shirts. I have to like give one of them the first half and then the second and the second half of the day just to get my mother's worth.
When I first moved here in 1996, my dad used to at Christmas time, he would always send me a sweater, a new sweater from LLB. Very nice sweaters, pretty good stuff.
And after like the second year of living here, I had to call him and I said, Dad, listen, I really appreciate this, but I got to tell you, I don't wear them.
And I do. I have all these cool sweatshirts, vintage stuff, really nice sweaters. I never wear any of them. And now what's really crushing me is that I'm online shopping one time and I come across the sweater sweatshirt, a bangle sweatshirt.
I don't know why I keep buying binglescrap that I don't need. And it's one that I really want. And it was originally priced at like $150 or something outrageous and I would never spend, but I really wanted it.
Well, now it's like 20. The store has like 80% off sale. And I am so, so tempted to buy it, but I won't because I know I'll never wear it.
That is the state of weather here on DFW. Also the state of DFW is the fact that we remain in recovery from one of the worst trades in the history of organized sports.
I realize that you had probably been inundated and beaten over the head with the Luka Dodgers trade, which was made back on February 2nd of 2025.
I want to give you a little bit of the backstory about this before I kind of go into this particular topic of this episode. I was in bed scrolling on my phone because that's healthy at 10 or 11 o'clock at night.
When I get a text message that says, have you checked Twitter from the front of mine? And I texted him back and I said, no, he said do it right now. So I look on it and I see breaking news.
Dallas Mavericks have traded Luka Dodgers to Los Angeles Lakers. And I along with everybody else didn't believe it until I kept seeing it again and again. And I thought, oh my God, this is real.
The Mavericks really just traded one of the top three basketball players, who's in the middle of his 20s, 25 years old, to the LA Lakers.
I'm like, what in God's name do they hate about this guy? And in return, they get a top 75 of all time player, Anthony Davis, who's 32 years old, a great player, a big pro, but he cannot stay healthy.
And I'm like, there's no, I don't, there's no way this is real. Sure enough, it's real. And something that I learned. So I the next day, the Mavericks general manager, Nico Harrison and head coach Jason kid are sitting there at a very small press conference before the Mavericks play the Cleveland Cavaliers in Cleveland.
And Nico Harrison says a few things that I'm like, wow, this doesn't make any sense. I can't believe they did this. And one of the important things that I learned in covering professional sports is you have to come around to seem the logic in their move, whatever move it is, whether it's a draft pick, whether it's a trade, whatever decision it is, you have to try to at least see why the team did what they did.
It does not mean you have to agree with it, but you have to sit there and say, okay, I see that logic because there is some logic, no matter how brain dead, some of the moves that you see will be to you, there is logic to that person or that team, why they did it. So when I heard that logic, it basically said to me, okay, we're going to go for an NBA championship right now.
And we're willing to risk giving up one of the three best players in basketball right now who led us to an NBA finals.
Last June, we're going to give them up to get Anthony Davis. We're going to put him with Kyrie Irving and we're going to go in a championship right now.
That was the logic that in order to get that player good enough to do that right now, they had to give up gadgets to do it.
I saw the logic. I did not agree with it, but I saw the logic of it because if you put those two guys together along with a couple other pieces that were on that team, there was a logic to it.
The flaw in it is that both of those dynamic players were on the wrong side of 30 and they had a history of injury.
Now, here's the crazy part about that move. Usually when a team makes a big, big train, people move on and things evolve and the negative headlines get replaced by just new ones and improvement or just different story lines that develop.
And the course of the season, the amazing thing about the Luca Dynchitz trade is that at no point did it ever get better for the Dallas Mavericks.
In fact, it just kept getting worse. That's the amazing thing about it. So it got me thinking as obviously the quick comparison to this trade was the Boston Red Sox,
trading Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees. In fact, when the Dallas Mavericks hosted the Los Angeles Lakers a couple of months after they traded him, I asked Jason Kidd, Mavericks head coach, what can you tell fans who really haven't gotten over this and are still upset about it.
And his answer was, you know what, hey, that sports trades happen. Some people are comparing it to Babe Ruth, which is kind of cool.
He said that. And a couple of us in sports media, local sports media had had made that analogy myself included because it's an easy obvious one, but I did not expect Jason Kidd to sit there and say, so that's kind of cool to comparing a trade that your franchise just made to giving up Babe Ruth, which became a defying point in the history of the Boston Red Sox for nearly 100 years.
Because the Red Sox never won a world series for decades and decades and decades and became the picture of utility. And it was the reason ground zero of that utility was trading Babe Ruth.
And so obviously, at the particular time, a whole bunch of different stories came out about worth trades of all time and et cetera, et cetera, Wayne Gretzky being traded from the Edmonton Oilers to the LA Kings. That's really near the top of the list.
There's some other famous ones, but I got I got to thinking, you know, what are the worst trades that we've seen in Dallas for worth Dallas for worth has become either the fourth largest or third largest media market.
Here in the last year or so, we moved past Philadelphia, I think, and it's just gotten on godly big. It is so damn big. But these franchises, the four major franchises that have been here, the longest are major parts of the fabric of this community.
And I thought, I don't know what the worst trades are in the history of these different franchises. So I went down a rabbit hole and I looked at all of them.
And I'm going to include hockey in this one because it's a really it's such a bad trade for one specific detail, even if you don't even know the player involved. Now, if you're a fan of the national hockey league, if you're a fan of the Dallas stars, and you know hockey, you're going to know this player, you probably don't know this trade.
In 1993, the Dallas stars moved here from Minnesota, pardon me, the stars here moved from Minnesota to Dallas in 1993.
And it took quite a while for hockey to find an audience and to create a fan base and a following it and they did it to their credit. So much to the credit, it changed what the national hockey league thought it could do and expanding all of the United States.
Dallas was one of the first teams that went into a non-traditional southern market and it worked and it has been a big hit. So in 2003, the Dallas stars, by that point, coming off of a Stanley Cup win in 1999 and a Stanley Cup finals appearance in 2000, were starting to regress a little bit and they were making some moves.
So in 2003, they made one of these kinds of trades that you look at and it doesn't even register at all because it just involves draft picks and usually in hockey, much like with Major League Baseball, when you draft a guy, you're not going to see him probably for a couple of years.
Now that timeline has been moved up as we've evolved here, but unlike football in the NFL, you see that player right away, right after the draft.
So if a pick swap happens, you see the immediate results quickly or the earlier results quickly, no different than the NBA baseball and hockey are not like that.
So in 2003, the Dallas stars sent traded, pardon me, traded their first round pick, which was 28th overall to the Anaheim Ducks. That's a conference rival to the Anaheim Ducks for two second round picks.
The Dallas stars with those second round picks took two guys, one of whom I've heard of. The first one is guy, some guy named Voshtech Polak.
I have no idea what that is. And the second one was a guy named BJ Crombine. Now you've got to be a real pocket to know who BJ Crombine is.
He was basically a career fourth line guy, never scored from Dallas stars had a career for a little bit, but he was he was a bottom, bottom of the roster forward for an NHL team.
Meanwhile, the pick that the Ducks used was on a guy named Corey Perry.
This is how lopsided that trade was that draft and that trade was in 2003. It is November of 2005 at the time of recording this podcast.
Corey Perry is still playing in the national hockey league.
He has become one of the most respected and reviled past players, dirty, nasty, the kind of guy who does all the yuck work right in front of the net.
It's hard. It's nasty. It's physical, but in the playoffs, especially it is invaluable. And Corey Perry is still playing in the national hockey league this season.
He's with the LA Kings last couple of years. He was with the Edmonton Oilers. In fact, he was a run there.
It was like every team that he was on made it to the finals. They didn't win it, but they made it. And in a full circle moment, Corey Perry actually did play for the Dallas stars for a couple of years.
And just he's one of those guys. He's 40 years old. And he's still hanging on to his national hockey league career.
That is a truly historically awful trade, but it doesn't get the ink or the credit or the swipes or likes because it's the national hockey league.
Let's move on to the baseball team. Now the Texas Rangers moved here to DFW, like 1972 and 1973 from Washington. So any of these moves that I looked at were from 72, 3 on.
And this one's pretty obvious. There's two of them. I want to mention.
So the first real dud. And the reason why I didn't include it number one was because there were real extenduating circumstances behind it.
So in 2000 and way of 2000, then Rangers owner Tom Hicks handed Alice Rodriguez the premier baseball free agent.
A 10 year, $252 million contract. Biggest contract in the history of North American sports at that time.
An absolute crazy trade or pardon me, not trade, but free agent signing the Rangers get a run.
Tom Hicks outbid himself by 10% at least. And he got the most coveted free agent because he was so young and so talented.
But a rod never really wanted to come here. And Tom Hicks's plan was we're going to get a rod.
We're going to go to playoffs, go to the real series and we're going to sell a whole bunch of tickets and we're going to make up for we're going to make money on the deal or at least break even.
Rangers were bad. Eventually in the set in the third season that a rod has in Arlington. He's the AL MVP for bad team. But by that time, however, the finances no longer worked for Tom Hicks.
His professional empire, what do you want to call it, was starting to strain a little bit and he had to get rid of the contract.
He had to trade it to somebody. And the only markets that were going to be able to support a contract of that length and that size were the big, big ones.
Maybe Boston, maybe the Mets, which is actually where he would originally wanted to go and then the Yankees.
So this trade was such a big deal that the commissioner had to get involved to make all the pieces work.
However, even though the Rangers didn't have as much leverage because they had to get rid of the player.
It is amazing to me that what they got in return for a rod who would be a Hall of Fame player had he not been popped for steroids.
They got the Rangers got for Alex Rodriguez, Joaquin Areas, who was a prospect at the time.
And Alfonso Soriano, who was the starting second baseman and a pretty good hitter.
Joaquin Areas played 91 games to the Rangers, never hit a home run, never really had much of a big league career. Alfonso Soriano had two seasons with the Rangers because it was a pretty good player.
And then he was traded to the Washington Nationals for a bunch of players that never really panned out anyways.
Meanwhile, A-Rod goes to the Yankees and kills it for the better part of 10 years and was a great player.
Yes, I know he was a premodata pain in the ass, but in terms of bang for your buck, trade for trade, the Rangers got destroyed on this deal.
As bad as that deal is, and that's ugly, it does not compare to the all-time stink bomb that they came up with in 1989.
In 1999, 89 rather, the Rangers traded in-fielder Scott Fletcher, left-handed pitcher Wilson Alvarez, and an Al-fielder prospect named Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sucks for Fred Manorinkay and aging designated hitter Harold Baines.
This is one of those trades that belongs in the discussion for one of the worst trades ever made.
Wilson Alvarez pitched 14 seasons and he won more than 100 games and had a sub for ERA. The best part of his career was spent with the White Sucks.
Sammy Sosa spent 13 years with the Chicago Cubs.
Like I said, he was eventually moved from the White Sucks to the Cubs cross town and he became an MVP and he has credited his home run hitting prowess along with Mark McGuire, even though it was totally fueled by steroids, is credited for giving baseball.
Major League Baseball, a big shot in the arm, definitely pun intended when the game needed it because they had struggled so much after the lockout in the early 90s.
Sammy Sosa, even though we all know he was a royd freak, was a hell of a hitter.
There was a window of time in there where he was crushing everything and he played for a long time and he'll never get in the Hall of Fame because everybody knew he did steroids.
But in terms of trades, holy cow did the Rangers get killed on that because the big guy they got in return, Harold Baines basically did nothing with the club in the two seasons that he had with the Rangers.
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Okay, so when I went down, when I decided to do this, I was really curious to see what the worst trades were locally.
And obviously, the one that I knew of, the Sammy Sosa one, had been kind of the front of my mind because I'd interviewed him once before, and Sammy quipped that he was traded by the President of the United States.
He was correct. At the time, the general manager, pardon me, general managing partner of the Texas Rangers, when the Rangers rated Sammy Sosa was none other than George Bush, the son, not the father.
And yes, he's got that on his resume. It was not at the George Bush Library, however, I don't think in all of his lists of achievements that the trade of Sammy Sosa to the White Sucks was included.
So the other one that to me that I thought, well, geez, there's got to be so many horrible trades in the history of the Dallas Cowboys. This one's going to be easy.
Yes and no, for a long time, the Cowboys before Jerry Jones bought the team.
Man, they hoodwinked teams right and left. Their front office was so good and so far ahead of everybody else that anytime they picked up the phone to make a trade, what the other team should have done is absolutely not.
Their famous one was trading with Seattle to get Tony Dorset, who would become one of the best running backs in the history of the NFL. And a big reason why the Cowboys won the silver bowl in the back year of the year after I can't remember.
But there were two moves that I thought, well, this has got to be on the list. And the first one to me because I was covering the team back then was in 2008 when the Dallas Cowboys traded for Flummer, Texas wide receiver and very good Detroit Lions wide receiver.
Roy Williams, pride of a desuper me, baby.
Roy Williams is a really good player for the Detroit Lions. He had some big number seasons and Jerry Jones loves wide receivers.
The Dallas Cowboys in 2008 were struggling. They need their offense needed a little help. So he traded a first round pick in 2009, a third round pick in 2009, first round pick in 2009, third round pick in 2009, a sixth round pick in 2009.
And I thought, well, that's that's got to be the worst trade he's ever made. It's got to be give up that many players for a player in return who did so little that that's got to be it.
It's not. However, I want to make this clear. The players and the reason this is why the Detroit Lions selected three players, obviously using those picks.
The first one was tied in Brandon Pedagrew played for a handful of seasons. He was a decent player, but nothing really special. I mean, in an ice NFL career, but nothing that would make another front office sense. Oh my God, I can't believe we don't have that guy.
The other one as a wide receiver named Derek Williams, never heard of them last a couple of seasons. And the last one, a sixth round pick was a running back at a TCU coincidentally.
It was a pretty good college player named Aaron Brown. He didn't really make it. Meanwhile, Ray Williams production with Cowboys was not what they needed. He really wasn't as fast as they thought he was going to be.
And he was just more of a possession guy. He was tall. And he was just kind of pretty good. He lost to a couple of years before they cut him. And really, this is one of those deals that in hindsight, no one really wanted the Lions didn't take advantage of the three draft picks that they got.
They selected guys who were just kind of guys. And meanwhile, the Cowboys got nothing from the wide receiver that they thought they needed that was going to put him in the Super Bowl, because as we all know, nothing is going to put this team in the Super Bowl.
This includes the most infamous trade, certainly at the Jerry Jones era in 2000. Michael Irvin, Hall of Famer, by the way, his career was over.
He had suffered injuries. And he was on the back end of the career anyways. And he was retiring. And Jerry Jones really needed a top receiver or thought he did. So he traded two first round picks to the CLC Hawks for very disgruntled wide receiver from Ohio State star Joey Galloway, who in his time in Seattle had proven to be a really good player.
Top end wide receiver, but he was in a contract dispute. Seattle's like get this guy out of here. They took two first round picks in Joey Galloway's first game with the Cowboys.
Tears as ACL out for the season. Meanwhile, the players that the Seahawks acquired because of that trade, holy Jesus.
One of the first round picks they used was on Alabama running back Sean Alexander. In 2005, Sean Alexander would become the NFL MVP and lead the Seahawks to the Super Bowl.
The next first round pick, the Seahawks traded San Francisco, who and turned it into Andre Carter, who's a decent player.
But basically, meanwhile, Joey Galloway eventually recovers in the next season. He comes back and he has a couple of decent seasons with the Cowboys. He wasn't awful. He wasn't terrible. It wasn't like he wasn't like what he did what Roy Williams did.
Joey Galloway still had a lot of really quality football as receiver left after he left Seattle and after he came back from that injury.
He really just didn't do that much with the Cowboys. Again, he was pretty good. The team wasn't very good. There was a lot of quarterback issues there that he had to deal with.
The amazing thing about Joey Galloway is that he played for other teams and he ended really strong with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers when he was like 39 or 4 years old.
When you look at that move, the Cowboys and why this trade was such a disaster is that they gave up a guy who did so little form and the team who got him and traded him away.
We haven't got the NFL MVP out of it. That is a disaster. However, I think if you take all of these trades combined, the stars bad trade, the multiple bad trades made by the Texas Rangers that I mentioned, the bad trades made by the Dallas Cowboys.
Combine them and they're not going to look as bad as what the Dallas Mavericks did when owner Patrick Dumont told GM Nico Harrison, yeah, okay. If you think this is the best thing, go ahead and make the deal.
I still can't get my head around that they did it. And the part that escapes me the most and the problem with it by doing it, not only is it going to be a defining point of your franchise for decades, right?
The problem is the only way to win or break even with this trade.
Look at Donjage has to get hurt and not just like a sore wrist. I'm talking like ACL Achilles tear. He has to suffer something dramatic that nobody you never want to wish injury on people ever.
Okay, I haven't much of a fan you are. You don't want that kind of karma. Don't invite that kind of karma into your life.
So I don't care. Even if you hate the Lakers and hate to look at Donjage for not being a Maverick, you do not wish that made injury.
But for the sake of this conversation, if you the Mavericks, the only way this thing even looks like a break even deal now is if he gets hurt and stays hurt for the rest of his career.
And here's the part and there's so many different parts that bother me about this. So the Mavericks were really tired of look at Donjage always being kind of out of shape.
So after the NBA finals, he comes to the team and he's got a calf issue. He's a little out of shape. He's got a calf issue and they were really tired of it. It's always something, right?
So there's a little bit out of shape. He's got a calf issue. So they were fed up with it. Oh, yeah.
Also, they were facing the deal of do we want to give this guy the NBA's Supermax contract, which at the time I think would have been in the neighborhood of $350 million.
That is no small commitment. Obviously. And when I asked Nico Harrison at the press conference back in May, one of the popular theories was that the owner who was new to owning a pro sports team told the GM I'm not making.
I'm just paying that. I'm just not get rid of it. Just get the best deal you can. I believe that that that had plausibility. I asked the GM that he said, no, that wasn't the case.
You know, I go by what he said. Is it believable? Yes, it is. Do I think that happened? No, I don't. I don't. I truly think this is what happened and I went. I've argued with fans about this. The owner is brand new to owning a professional basketball team.
Only months after walking in the door.
He allows the general manager who's the basketball guy to have all the authority on basketball personnel issues and basically to run the basketball side of the team.
They get to the NBA finals. Wow. Holy cow. I can't believe this. It's this easy. Yes. Here's in the contract extension. A multi year contract extension, which we all know is in the area of 750.
It's a big year's plus. Great. He trusts in to make his basketball decisions. Meanwhile, the guy who's making the basketball decisions has very cleverly eliminated the one voice that was a hiccup to unilateral power within that franchise.
And of course, is former owner, Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban successfully went out and recruited and landed. Nico Harrison from his job as a Nike executive to be a basketball, to be the GM of his team.
Nico wanted Nico Harrison for years to run their team because he's the relationship guy who can get free agents.
Something the Mavericks had never really done despite all their success was bag top tier free agents. If you go look at the new players they brought in, it was never top tier free agents. It was neither through the draft.
And there weren't many of those guys or trades and there were plenty of those. So Mark Cuban when he sells the team to patch up Dumont puts him language in air that I'll be in charge of basketball. Well, it wasn't written down.
So the GM Nico Harrison says, I'm in charge of basketball. To my mark.
So that around him to go to the owner who doesn't know anything about basketball and say, we're going to trade on me, let's take a player.
Patch of two months says, you sure you know what you're doing. Yes, I do. Okay, go for it.
Awful.
Look at Don just gets his feelings hurt and we saw something that I don't think I have ever seen in history of North American sports with the team.
Pardon me, not the team brother, the fans of the team got the GM fired.
We've seen failing reaction caused teams to do this and this or that. I don't think I've never in this, this kind of behavior is more consistent with.
Professional soccer teams and the Premier League or other leagues in Western Europe hadn't really seen the United States.
And again, I'll go back to the point I made earlier, which is it just kept getting worse. And there was two parts to this deal that I had such a problem with.
You trade a top three player in the NBA and all you get in return is the Anthony Davis.
Max Christie.
And the 2000 and on first round picking.
There's a very good chance that's first round pick will be 25 or 23rd because if the Lakers are any good, they're not going to be drafted near the top. So that pick they give up is nothing.
And I asked Nico Harrison this about one of the criticism is you just got so little in return.
And his response was, well, if you think I didn't get a lot in return, then that means you probably don't like to deal in the first place.
That you don't like the player in the first place, which is ridiculous to me because nobody who's ever watched the game of basketball for as much as five minutes would watch Anthony Davis to think, well, this guy sucks, he can't play.
He's really, really good, but the guy can't stay healthy ever. And now the most aggravating part on top of this shit show cherry bomb pie.
Is that the thing that you handled the most about Luca donge. He's out of shape. He's always dealing with little injuries. That's the same thing this guy's dealing with.
And that's okay. So it's okay for Anthony Davis to have those those issues, but it wasn't for Luca donge.
And Anthony Davis 32 years old and now Luca donge. He's heard his head coach who after his team was eliminated in five games by the Minnesota Timberwolves in the first round of the NBA playoffs in the spring says we have to get in champion chip conditioning shape.
It was a total shot at Luca donge.
Luca was probably it's probably the NBA's first euro prima donna. He's had a lot of great European players come over here.
They weren't quite the prima donna is she's got a little bit a little that in them a little bit not a lot a little bit.
And the thought was this might blow up in his face. It didn't look at donge. It went out and got his revenge, but he went and hired like one of the Kardashians trainers. I guess I'm making that part up.
And the guy is felt and is just carrying it. Everything that he do with the Mavericks. He's down doing them with the Los Angeles Lakers five minutes from the beach.
Meanwhile, the Mavericks are terrible. Anthony Davis has barely playing and even though the Mavericks wanted to lottery and they picked rookie Cooper flag out of Duke who right now is the youngest player in the NBA.
It has satiated no but this never got better in the reality with it is for the Mavericks. It may not get better for another 10 years.
Let's hope it's five either way.
The Mavericks trading Luca dodge is now officially in the conversation from one of the worst sports trades of all time.
I still can't believe I did it. I gave it as I sit here and pontificate all this stuff. I'm like, why would you do that? I get the logic of it. We're going for it now, not later.
And in that press conference, Nico Harrison said, who knows, they'll probably bury us with it. Gotta give him this. He was right.
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